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legendary
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September 26, 2018, 06:00:39 PM
How about a link that doesn't try to download malware through a fake "flash update?"

I realize it's the site and not you, just saying ....

Sorry, it's a shitty site but it's never done anything of the sort to me. Try this: https://text.npr.org/s.php?sId=651797758

legendary
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September 26, 2018, 05:59:19 PM
Here is the other thing that stands out to me - aside from not wanting an FBI investigation - why did Kavanaugh set the bar so impossibly high by not only denying the allegations but also by denying underage drinking and even having sex? That contradicts some known facts, including what his friends and supporters are saying about that time in high school and college. ....

I found this article which explains all of it quite nicely!

http://scrappleface.com/blog/2018/09/21/kavanaugh-victim-asks-delay-to-finish-final-draft/


legendary
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September 26, 2018, 04:58:46 PM
How about a link that doesn't try to download malware through a fake "flash update?"

I realize it's the site and not you, just saying ....
legendary
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September 26, 2018, 03:41:01 PM
WOW I just watched (R) Senator Flakes speech on Capital Hill from this afternoon and I give him mad props for being what seems to be one of the only motherfuckers on either side of the aisle to be fucking reasonable at this point...
legendary
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September 26, 2018, 11:03:10 AM
Here is the other thing that stands out to me - aside from not wanting an FBI investigation - why did Kavanaugh set the bar so impossibly high by not only denying the allegations but also by denying underage drinking and even having sex? That contradicts some known facts, including what his friends and supporters are saying about that time in high school and college. Of course lying to Fox News is not the same as lying under oath but it's just stretching credulity for no good reason that I can see. That might come around to bite him in tomorrow's hearings. There's a chance someone's gonna bring up something like "are you sure you NEVER had a drink in Maryland before 1986" and we're gonna cringe watching him stutter through that.



The Wall Street journal is reporting that the creepy porn lawyer has released an affidavit in which someone who hold a security clearance claims she was drugged in a party in 1982 in which Kavanaugh was in attendance.

Based upon the fact she hired the creepy porn lawyer, I am unwilling to give her any credibility at this time.

How about a link in addition to your opinion:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/new-kavanaugh-accuser-says-he-was-present-when-she-was-gang-raped
legendary
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September 26, 2018, 10:54:05 AM
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They literally quoted a Senator... so... you really can't say that "senators know that is about as BS of a charge"... because that's contradicted by the quote you quoted (and apparently didn't bother reading)

You think you are going to find anyone that considers something Truey because 'a Senator said it'?

Oh, wait...

It was Truey because a Democratic senator said it.

Got it.

Sorry I'm a bit slow today.

legendary
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September 26, 2018, 10:45:25 AM
https://twitter.com/Tennesseine/status/1044285228376821762

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A judge making about 200k was able to pay a 92k country club membership joining fee and put a cash down payment (that exceeded his ENTIRE STATED NET WORTH) on a house worth over a million dollars. His name is Brett Kavanaugh. And he was shady AF before anyone knew about Ford.

I think I'll believe six FBI background checks (having been through just ONE) way, way, WAY before I believe twatter.
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September 26, 2018, 10:37:06 AM
The Wall Street journal is reporting that the creepy porn lawyer has released an affidavit in which someone who hold a security clearance claims she was drugged in a party in 1982 in which Kavanaugh was in attendance.

Based upon the fact she hired the creepy porn lawyer, I am unwilling to give her any credibility at this time.
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September 26, 2018, 08:04:52 AM
https://twitter.com/Tennesseine/status/1044285228376821762

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A judge making about 200k was able to pay a 92k country club membership joining fee and put a cash down payment (that exceeded his ENTIRE STATED NET WORTH) on a house worth over a million dollars. His name is Brett Kavanaugh. And he was shady AF before anyone knew about Ford.
legendary
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September 26, 2018, 07:24:59 AM
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But newly released documents show that Miranda had indeed sent Kavanaugh information from the stolen internal documents. The nominee continues to deny he knew the information was stolen. But he can no longer deny he received it.
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How exactly would one know if a given "piece of information" was "stolen?"
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September 26, 2018, 07:23:02 AM
Exactly, and thanks for pointing that out. You now begin to ask why the so much heat for something that happened over three decades ago when some of the present laws were not even there. Am against rape but I think this is more of witch hunting.

Rape was illegal 30 years ago, that law hasn't changed.

For me, the most important thing is the 5 times he lied under oath... Anyone who lies under oath should automatically be disqualified from being the highest judge in the land.  They have proven themselves untrustworthy.  You cannot appoint a known liar and expect them to judge others fairly.  That's stupid as fuck
When has he lied under oath?

Did Brett Kavanaugh give false testimony under oath?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/17/did-brett-kavanaugh-give-false-testimony-under-oath/

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Democratic senators allege that Kavanaugh gave untruthful testimony at his prior confirmation hearings for the appeals court, which were held in 2004 and 2006, and that those untruths disqualify him as a Supreme Court nominee.

They say Kavanaugh misled senators into believing he had no role in the selection and vetting process for three of Bush’s most controversial candidates for the federal courts: Jim Haynes, Charles Pickering and Bill Pryor. Democrats also say Kavanaugh misled the Judiciary Committee in 2006 about his knowledge of a Bush-era warrantless surveillance program run by the NSA to monitor terrorists.

The overarching accusation is that Kavanaugh whitewashed his record, distancing himself from thorny political events instead of owning up to his role. A cache of emails and documents that have been released over the last few weeks proves Kavanaugh did not tell the truth, Democrats say. At his confirmation hearing for the Supreme Court this month, Kavanaugh rejected these allegations, and the White House has denied them.

“Time and again, Kavanaugh appears to have misled the Senate under oath,” Sen. Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.), a former chairman of the Judiciary Committee, wrote in a Washington Post op-ed on Sept. 13.
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Five Times Brett Kavanaugh Appears to Have Lied to Congress While Under Oath
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/09/five-times-brett-kavanaugh-appears-to-have-lied-to-congress-while-under-oath/

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Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh has made declarations under oath during his current and past confirmation hearings that are contradicted by documents from his time as a counsel to the president and staff secretary in the George W. Bush White House. Newly released documents have undermined Kavanaugh’s declarations to the Senate Judiciary Committee, contradictions that are drawing close scrutiny from many Democrats. Kavanaugh has denied making any misleading or false statements.

His role in accessing stolen documents: In 2002, a GOP aide on the Senate Judiciary Committee, Manuel Miranda, stole thousands of documents belonging to the committee’s Democratic staff. At the time, Kavanaugh was a White House lawyer working on judicial nominations, which included working alongside Miranda. In 2003, President Bush nominated Kavanaugh to his current position on the DC Circuit Court of Appeals and his confirmation hearing was held in 2004—though he was not confirmed until two years later. During his 2004 hearing, Kavanaugh denied ever receiving any of the documents Miranda stole. Asked if he “ever come across memos from internal files of any Democratic members given to you or provided to you in any way?” he replied, “No.” In 2006, also under oath, he again denied ever receiving stolen documents.

But newly released documents show that Miranda had indeed sent Kavanaugh information from the stolen internal documents. The nominee continues to deny he knew the information was stolen. But he can no longer deny he received it.
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I am fairly confident those senators know that is about as a BS of a charge as the charges made by the women from CA and the women from Yale.

I don't suppose you actually read the article(s) I posted?

They literally quoted a Senator... so... you really can't say that "senators know that is about as BS of a charge"... because that's contradicted by the quote you quoted (and apparently didn't bother reading)
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September 26, 2018, 07:19:33 AM
Exactly, and thanks for pointing that out. You now begin to ask why the so much heat for something that happened over three decades ago when some of the present laws were not even there. Am against rape but I think this is more of witch hunting.

Rape was illegal 30 years ago, that law hasn't changed.

For me, the most important thing is the 5 times he lied under oath... Anyone who lies under oath should automatically be disqualified from being the highest judge in the land.  They have proven themselves untrustworthy.  You cannot appoint a known liar and expect them to judge others fairly.  That's stupid as fuck
When has he lied under oath?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/17/did-brett-kavanaugh-give-false-testimony-under-oath/

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Democratic senators allege that Kavanaugh gave untruthful testimony at his prior confirmation hearings for the appeals court, which were held in 2004 and 2006, and that those untruths disqualify him as a Supreme Court nominee.

They say Kavanaugh misled senators into believing he had no role in the selection and vetting process for three of Bush’s most controversial candidates for the federal courts: Jim Haynes, Charles Pickering and Bill Pryor. Democrats also say Kavanaugh misled the Judiciary Committee in 2006 about his knowledge of a Bush-era warrantless surveillance program run by the NSA to monitor terrorists.

The overarching accusation is that Kavanaugh whitewashed his record, distancing himself from thorny political events instead of owning up to his role. A cache of emails and documents that have been released over the last few weeks proves Kavanaugh did not tell the truth, Democrats say. At his confirmation hearing for the Supreme Court this month, Kavanaugh rejected these allegations, and the White House has denied them.

“Time and again, Kavanaugh appears to have misled the Senate under oath,” Sen. Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.), a former chairman of the Judiciary Committee, wrote in a Washington Post op-ed on Sept. 13.
I am fairly confident those senators know that is about as a BS of a charge as the charges made by the women from CA and the women from Yale.
hero member
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September 26, 2018, 07:13:39 AM
Exactly, and thanks for pointing that out. You now begin to ask why the so much heat for something that happened over three decades ago when some of the present laws were not even there. Am against rape but I think this is more of witch hunting.

Rape was illegal 30 years ago, that law hasn't changed.

For me, the most important thing is the 5 times he lied under oath... Anyone who lies under oath should automatically be disqualified from being the highest judge in the land.  They have proven themselves untrustworthy.  You cannot appoint a known liar and expect them to judge others fairly.  That's stupid as fuck
When has he lied under oath?

Did Brett Kavanaugh give false testimony under oath?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/17/did-brett-kavanaugh-give-false-testimony-under-oath/

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Democratic senators allege that Kavanaugh gave untruthful testimony at his prior confirmation hearings for the appeals court, which were held in 2004 and 2006, and that those untruths disqualify him as a Supreme Court nominee.

They say Kavanaugh misled senators into believing he had no role in the selection and vetting process for three of Bush’s most controversial candidates for the federal courts: Jim Haynes, Charles Pickering and Bill Pryor. Democrats also say Kavanaugh misled the Judiciary Committee in 2006 about his knowledge of a Bush-era warrantless surveillance program run by the NSA to monitor terrorists.

The overarching accusation is that Kavanaugh whitewashed his record, distancing himself from thorny political events instead of owning up to his role. A cache of emails and documents that have been released over the last few weeks proves Kavanaugh did not tell the truth, Democrats say. At his confirmation hearing for the Supreme Court this month, Kavanaugh rejected these allegations, and the White House has denied them.

“Time and again, Kavanaugh appears to have misled the Senate under oath,” Sen. Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.), a former chairman of the Judiciary Committee, wrote in a Washington Post op-ed on Sept. 13.
(...)

Five Times Brett Kavanaugh Appears to Have Lied to Congress While Under Oath
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/09/five-times-brett-kavanaugh-appears-to-have-lied-to-congress-while-under-oath/

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Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh has made declarations under oath during his current and past confirmation hearings that are contradicted by documents from his time as a counsel to the president and staff secretary in the George W. Bush White House. Newly released documents have undermined Kavanaugh’s declarations to the Senate Judiciary Committee, contradictions that are drawing close scrutiny from many Democrats. Kavanaugh has denied making any misleading or false statements.

His role in accessing stolen documents: In 2002, a GOP aide on the Senate Judiciary Committee, Manuel Miranda, stole thousands of documents belonging to the committee’s Democratic staff. At the time, Kavanaugh was a White House lawyer working on judicial nominations, which included working alongside Miranda. In 2003, President Bush nominated Kavanaugh to his current position on the DC Circuit Court of Appeals and his confirmation hearing was held in 2004—though he was not confirmed until two years later. During his 2004 hearing, Kavanaugh denied ever receiving any of the documents Miranda stole. Asked if he “ever come across memos from internal files of any Democratic members given to you or provided to you in any way?” he replied, “No.” In 2006, also under oath, he again denied ever receiving stolen documents.

But newly released documents show that Miranda had indeed sent Kavanaugh information from the stolen internal documents. The nominee continues to deny he knew the information was stolen. But he can no longer deny he received it.
(...)
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September 26, 2018, 07:06:35 AM
Exactly, and thanks for pointing that out. You now begin to ask why the so much heat for something that happened over three decades ago when some of the present laws were not even there. Am against rape but I think this is more of witch hunting.

Rape was illegal 30 years ago, that law hasn't changed.

For me, the most important thing is the 5 times he lied under oath... Anyone who lies under oath should automatically be disqualified from being the highest judge in the land.  They have proven themselves untrustworthy.  You cannot appoint a known liar and expect them to judge others fairly.  That's stupid as fuck
When has he lied under oath?
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September 26, 2018, 06:49:38 AM
Exactly, and thanks for pointing that out. You now begin to ask why the so much heat for something that happened over three decades ago when some of the present laws were not even there. Am against rape but I think this is more of witch hunting.

Rape was illegal 30 years ago, that law hasn't changed.

For me, the most important thing is the 5 times he lied under oath... Anyone who lies under oath should automatically be disqualified from being the highest judge in the land.  They have proven themselves untrustworthy.  You cannot appoint a known liar and expect them to judge others fairly.  That's stupid as fuck
legendary
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September 26, 2018, 01:44:28 AM
Americans are going overboard on this Kavanaugh thing.  Do we not think that it is pointless bringing a school boy error after over 30yrs to hunt a grown man because he seeks a public position? Is there no one here who was never caught up with youth exuberance let them cast the first stone.

Jesus what a sad comment.

IF it turns out the allegations are true what a sad state the USA is in when the bar for youthful exuberance is set as low as attempted rape.  I assure you there are millions of men who have never tried to forcefully take a womens clothes off while covering her mouth so she can't scream, me being one of them.

The above is completely aside from the fact that it's a lifetime appointment to the highest court in the land, surely they could find a guy with great moral fortitude.




They already did. This is all a projection. The problem the Democrats have is not with his moral fortitude, they don't care about that, at all. It is his ideological fortitude that concerns them. Slandering him as a rapist is just easier to sell to dumb people who think they would never stoop so low to make false accusations, and they are happy to perceive anything that aligns with their confirmation bias no matter how illogical.
legendary
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September 26, 2018, 12:06:04 AM
Americans are going overboard on this Kavanaugh thing.  Do we not think that it is pointless bringing a school boy error after over 30yrs to hunt a grown man because he seeks a public position? Is there no one here who was never caught up with youth exuberance let them cast the first stone.

Jesus what a sad comment.

IF it turns out the allegations are true what a sad state the USA is in when the bar for youthful exuberance is set as low as attempted rape.  I assure you there are millions of men who have never tried to forcefully take a womens clothes off while covering her mouth so she can't scream, me being one of them.

The above is completely aside from the fact that it's a lifetime appointment to the highest court in the land, surely they could find a guy with great moral fortitude.

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September 25, 2018, 11:23:36 PM
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Americans are going overboard on this Kavanaugh thing.  Do we not think that it is pointless bringing a school boy error after over 30yrs to hunt a grown man because he seeks a public position? Is there no one here who was never caught up with youth exuberance let them cast the first stone.
legendary
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September 25, 2018, 09:13:13 PM
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but it's the only shot they got.

If you're in a boxing match and realize you are about to be bettered by your opponent, and the only chance you have is to punch him in the balls, do you take it?

Depends. Does the winner get to make the rules, including whether a ball punch is legal? I believe that's the calculation here if I'm getting your analogy right.
I think the analogy is more trying to determine if you are willing to act ethically and fairly when you are about to lose.

Your response answers that question.

LOL, we're getting personal again. I thought we were talking about a SCOTUS nomination here. I play no part in that. Any chance you can stay on topic?
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September 25, 2018, 08:48:14 PM
#97
but it's the only shot they got.

If you're in a boxing match and realize you are about to be bettered by your opponent, and the only chance you have is to punch him in the balls, do you take it?

Depends. Does the winner get to make the rules, including whether a ball punch is legal? I believe that's the calculation here if I'm getting your analogy right.
I think the analogy is more trying to determine if you are willing to act ethically and fairly when you are about to lose.

Your response answers that question.
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