Supreme Court pick Brett Kavanaugh - page 14.

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Quote from: CoinCube on September 24, 2018, 07:37:47 PM

Oh I don't know maybe because there is no accusation of a crime that is not well beyond the statute of limitations..

Not really true (no statute of limitations in Maryland AFAIK) but I'm talking about a background check on Mr. Kavanaugh, not a criminal investigation.

Quote from: CoinCube on September 24, 2018, 07:37:47 PM

Or maybe its because all 8 of the people the two accusers state were present at the time of the assault are already on record with various media outlets and all of their testimony supports Kavanaugh.

Media is the wrong place to do that. A proper investigation would be better.

Quote from: CoinCube on September 24, 2018, 07:37:47 PM

Or maybe it's because the demands for investigation have every appearance of a transparent political ploy that has nothing to do with seeking truth.

Or perhaps it's because this is ultimately a question of suitability for office and the constitution clearly assigns this duty to the Senate which also has the power of the subpoena to carry it out.

Yet the FBI often conducts background investigations for appointments like this. Even more so if it's a "political ploy" - why should we entrust this to the hyper-politicized Senate instead of a law enforcement agency?

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Kavanaugh denies sexual misconduct in Fox News exclusive: 'I know I'm telling the truth'
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/24/kavanaugh-denies-sexual-misconduct-in-fox-news-exclusive-know-im-telling-truth.html

Interesting video interview with Kavanaugh and his wife.

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Quote from: suchmoon on September 24, 2018, 02:31:29 PM

So let's try again - why no investigation yet? Two women, two separate incidents, both asking for investigation so if they're lying that would be a huge boost for Trump, McConnell, et al ahead of midterms.

Oh I don't know maybe because there is no accusation of a crime that is not well beyond the statute of limitations..

Or maybe its because all 8 of the people the two accusers state were present at the time of the assault are already on record with various media outlets and all of their testimony supports Kavanaugh.

Or maybe it's because the demands for investigation have every appearance of a transparent political ploy that has nothing to do with seeking truth.

Or perhaps it's because this is ultimately a question of suitability for office and the constitution clearly assigns this duty to the Senate which also has the power of the subpoena to carry it out.

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Quote from: Quickseller on September 24, 2018, 02:14:12 PM

The New Yorker story is based on hearsay from unnamed source (singular)

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/senate-democrats-investigate-a-new-allegation-of-sexual-misconduct-from-the-supreme-court-nominee-brett-kavanaughs-college-years-deborah-ramirez

The name is Deborah Ramirez - it's in the URL even.

Quote from: Quickseller on September 24, 2018, 02:14:12 PM

I would not take anything the creepy porn lawyer says seriously. If you are the victim of a crime, especially a serious crime, I would suggest not retaining his services because I won’t take any evidence seriously and will go into hearing your story as being made up for political purposes.

Nothing to do with the above.

https://twitter.com/MichaelAvenatti/status/1044013350873489409

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So let's try again - why no investigation yet? Two women, two separate incidents, both asking for investigation so if they're lying that would be a huge boost for Trump, McConnell, et al ahead of midterms.

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Quote from: Flying Hellfish on September 24, 2018, 08:22:51 AM

Quote from: suchmoon on September 24, 2018, 07:59:40 AM

What's the excuse now for not conducting an investigation?

IDK, maybe the fact that news outlets with a heavy left leaning bias, such as the New York Times, the Washington post, and NBC news declined to run the story because of a lack of corroboration.

The New Yorker story is based on hearsay from unnamed source (singular), and multiple people who would have knowledge of the party are on the record saying it didn’t happen.

I would not take anything the creepy porn lawyer says seriously. If you are the victim of a crime, especially a serious crime, I would suggest not retaining his services because I won’t take any evidence seriously and will go into hearing your story as being made up for political purposes.

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Quote from: suchmoon on September 24, 2018, 07:59:40 AM

What's the excuse now for not conducting an investigation?

Midterms LDO Grin

Oh wait you mean the new made up reasons the republicans will use, gotcha now!

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Quote from: Quickseller on September 23, 2018, 07:45:04 PM

It appears there are now two additional claims against Kavanaugh. One is by Deborah Ramirez, who went to Yale with Judge Kavanaugh and claims he exposed himself to her in a college party. Multiple witnesses have said this did not happen nor that they heard about this until Kavanaugh was nominated to the Supreme Court. The other is apparently represented by the Creepy Porn Lawyer, who in my opinion has no credibility but will be sure to make a circus.

For any crime you can find multiple witnesses who didn't see it happening.

The Ramirez allegation refutes some of the previous counter-arguments:

1) There is more than one woman now.
2) Kavanaugh was 18 at the time.
3) There seems to be at least one person with a contemporaneous corroboration.

What's the excuse now for not conducting an investigation?

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Senate Democrats Investigate a New Allegation of Sexual Misconduct, from Brett Kavanaugh’s College Years
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/senate-democrats-investigate-a-new-allegation-of-sexual-misconduct-from-the-supreme-court-nominee-brett-kavanaughs-college-years-deborah-ramirez/amp

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A third male student then exposed himself to her. “I remember a penis being in front of my face,” she said. “I knew that’s not what I wanted, even in that state of mind.” She recalled remarking, “That’s not a real penis,” and the other students laughing at her confusion and taunting her, one encouraging her to “kiss it.” She said that she pushed the person away, touching it in the process. Ramirez, who was raised a devout Catholic, in Connecticut, said that she was shaken. “I wasn’t going to touch a penis until I was married,” she said. “I was embarrassed and ashamed and humiliated.” She remembers Kavanaugh standing to her right and laughing, pulling up his pants. “Brett was laughing,” she said. “I can still see his face, and his hips coming forward, like when you pull up your pants.” She recalled another male student shouting about the incident. “Somebody yelled down the hall, ‘Brett Kavanaugh just put his penis in Debbie’s face,’ ” she said. “It was his full name. I don’t think it was just ‘Brett.’ And I remember hearing and being mortified that this was out there.”
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Kavanaugh sticks his penis in a girl's face, and her first reaction is to say, "That's not a real penis", lmao... Poor Brett

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Quote from: BADecker on September 23, 2018, 08:37:34 PM

Could it be that Trump backers are the ones who hired these dem people to accuse K just to make the dems look bad when the accusations are shown to be frivolous?

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Quote from: BitPotus on September 23, 2018, 08:44:46 PM

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You don't just selectively destroy targets that suit your agenda.

That's exactly what they think they deserve to be able to do.

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Second Kavanaugh Accuser Materializes Alleging Sexual Misconduct At Yale
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09-23/second-kavanaugh-accuser-materializes-alleging-sexual-misconduct-yale

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For Ramirez, the sudden attention has been unwelcome, and prompted difficult choices. She was at first hesitant to speak publicly, partly because her memories contained gaps because she had been drinking at the time of the alleged incident. In her initial conversations with The New Yorker, she was reluctant to characterize Kavanaugh’s role in the alleged incident with certainty.

After six days of carefully assessing her memories and consulting with her attorney, Ramirez said that she felt confident enough of her recollections to say that she remembers Kavanaugh had exposed himself at a drunken dormitory party, thrust his penis in her face, and caused her to touch it without her consent as she pushed him away. Ramirez is now calling for the F.B.I. to investigate Kavanaugh’s role in the incident. “I would think an F.B.I. investigation would be warranted,” she said.
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Meanwhile, lawyer Michael Avenatti - best known for representing adult entertainer Stephanie Clifford, said on Twitter that he represents a woman "with credible information regarding Judge Kavanaugh," and that his client is not Ramirez.

In a statement, Kavanaugh wrote, "This alleged event from 35 years ago did not happen. The people who knew me then know that this did not happen, and have said so. This is a smear, plain and simple. I look forward to testifying on Thursday about the truth, and defending my good name—and the reputation for character and integrity I have spent a lifetime building—against these last-minute allegations.

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Quote from: Quickseller on September 23, 2018, 07:45:04 PM

It appears there are now two additional claims against Kavanaugh. One is by Deborah Ramirez, who went to Yale with Judge Kavanaugh and claims he exposed himself to her in a college party. Multiple witnesses have said this did not happen nor that they heard about this until Kavanaugh was nominated to the Supreme Court. The other is apparently represented by the Creepy Porn Lawyer, who in my opinion has no credibility but will be sure to make a circus.

I guess it's only fair that investigations are opened into the Bill Clinton allegations then.

Also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwXweiRjckI

Watch that and tell me that's normal behaviour.

I mean, if you're going to go fully nuclear on that kind of behaviour, then you clean house completely.

You don't just selectively destroy targets that suit your agenda.

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Could it be that Trump backers are the ones who hired these dem people to accuse K just to make the dems look bad when the accusations are shown to be frivolous?

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It appears there are now two additional claims against Kavanaugh. One is by Deborah Ramirez, who went to Yale with Judge Kavanaugh and claims he exposed himself to her in a college party. Multiple witnesses have said this did not happen nor that they heard about this until Kavanaugh was nominated to the Supreme Court. The other is apparently represented by the Creepy Porn Lawyer, who in my opinion has no credibility but will be sure to make a circus.

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Quote from: Flying Hellfish on September 23, 2018, 05:25:28 PM

Quote from: TECSHARE on September 23, 2018, 02:19:05 PM

Funny suddenly no one is cheer leading for Kavanaugh's removal here any more...

Meh this forum attracts all the conspiracy theory crowd . Most of them are right wing males who for obvious reasons want Kavanaugh. Site demographics are important even if you want to ignore them LOL.

Not to mention it does get tiring arguing with the knuckle dragging men here who have no interest in anything other than making sure their conservative religious judge gets on the SC.

Funny no one is cheer leading for the actual truth, because that is actually more important than political issues especially when dealing with a lifetime nomination to the SC and a generation of jurisprudence.

Am not American.

Am not "right wing"

I will gladly accept the label of "conspiracy theorist" because I believe that it is a term used for those that actually think for themselves instead of being

mere sheeple.

I have no particular feelings towards Trump.

As an outsider, I think it's absolutely ridiculous how one side is constantly trying to derail the current POTUS.

It's even more laughable when you see those pretending to take the moral high ground while ignoring the blatant unsavory antics of ze Clintons and co.

Can you get any more hypocritical and morally bankrupt?

Also, they lost the elections like ages ago now.

One would think that they would have grown a pair and sucked it up by now.

Instead, it is now a long soap opera with the losing side acting increasingly like a crazy ex girlfriend who cannot understand that she got dumped for

being an absolute psycho and who's just proving to everyone that she is indeed a dangerous unhinged individual though her constant manipulative

tirades.

Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Flying Hellfish on September 23, 2018, 05:25:28 PM

Funny no one is cheer leading for the actual truth

The truth is that everyone who the liar from CA has said was st the alleged party has denied having any memory of the party even happening. Her life long friend who was supposedly at the party says she doesn’t know Judge Kavanaugh and has never been at a party with him.

The truth is that the liar has changed the compensation of who was at the party at least two times.

The truth is that there is no evidence that the alleged incident took place and there is a lot of evidence to the contrary.

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Quote from: TECSHARE on September 23, 2018, 02:19:05 PM

Funny suddenly no one is cheer leading for Kavanaugh's removal here any more...

Meh this forum attracts all the conspiracy theory crowd . Most of them are right wing males who for obvious reasons want Kavanaugh. Site demographics are important even if you want to ignore them LOL.

Not to mention it does get tiring arguing with the knuckle dragging men here who have no interest in anything other than making sure their conservative religious judge gets on the SC.

Funny no one is cheer leading for the actual truth, because that is actually more important than political issues especially when dealing with a lifetime nomination to the SC and a generation of jurisprudence.

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Funny suddenly no one is cheer leading for Kavanaugh's removal here any more...

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Quote from: Quickseller on September 23, 2018, 03:35:33 AM

Kim Strassel of the WSJ editorial board is now reporting that a Washington Post "journalist" had reached out to Mr Judge, who was allegedly in the room with Kavanaugh saying that there were 3 boys and one girl at the party in question The Washington Post's story says there were four boys at the party.

Another issue is that there was someone allegedly at the party, Leland Ingham (now Keyser), who is a women who was one of Christine's classmates and close friends. She has said publicly that she does not know Kavanaugh, nor was she ever at any party that Kavanaugh attended. This means that everyone allegedly at the alleged party has denied the existence of the party, under penalty of perjury (or similar), except for Christine Beasley Ford, who appears to not want to speak under oath regarding the alleged incident.

Compare this to the rape accusations against Bill Clinton, I have to say that it's the pattern of accusations that's troubling more than any single allegation. The pattern shaping up in the case of Christine Ford is very different, and shows she remembers things differently than everyone else.

Not only did rank and file Democrats support Bill Clinton, but they were okay when his wife, who had helped him suppress and cover up those allegations, ran for President. And just plain crushed when she didn't win. They thought she DESERVED TO WIN!

https://www.businessinsider.com/these-are-the-sexual-assault-allegations-against-bill-clinton-2017-11#leslie-millwee-4

Juanita Broaddrick - violently raped in 1978. Reported in 1999.
Two people close to Broaddrick said she described the rape at the time.

Kathleen Willey - sexually assaulted in 1993, reported in 1999.
Willey says she was "friends" with Clinton and confided in him during the meeting that she and her husband were having financial troubles. She asked him for a promotion from her volunteer position to a paying job and says that Clinton was sympathetic and asked to talk with her in a small room off of the Oval Office. Willey says Clinton cornered and assaulted her in that room.

Paula Jones - in 1991, reported in 1994
at a government quality-management conference that Clinton attended, she was approached by the state police and told that Clinton, then the governor, wanted to meet with her. Jones said that a police officer escorted her to Clinton's hotel room in Little Rock and that Clinton then propositioned her for sex and exposed his genitals to her.
Jones said the state police officer was standing just outside the hotel room during the encounter. Jones made her allegations public in 1994 and brought a sexual-harassment lawsuit against Clinton. A federal judge dismissed the lawsuit in 1998 on the grounds that Jones didn't prove that she was harmed, either personally or in her career, by the incident, and Jones appealed the ruling.Clinton ultimately paid Jones $850,000.

Leslie Millwee, assaulted in 1980, reported in 2016
a former television reporter, came forward publicly for the first time in October 2016 to accuse Clinton of sexually assaulting her in 1980.

"He followed me into an editing room," Millwee told the far-right website Breitbart News in an October 2016 interview. "It was very small. There was a chair. I was sitting in a chair. He came up behind me and started rubbing my shoulders and running his hands down toward my breasts. And I was just stunned. I froze. I asked him to stop. He laughed."

She said of a second incident: "He came in behind me. Started hunching me to the point that he had an orgasm. He's trying to touch my breasts. And I'm just sitting there very stiffly, just waiting for him to leave me alone. And I'm asking him the whole time, 'Please do not do this. Do not touch me. Do not hunch me. I do not want this.'"

She recalled a third time in which, she said, she wasn't aware Clinton was in the building when he found her in the editing room.

How about that. We've had some really disgusting people in American politics, haven't we?

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Kim Strassel of the WSJ editorial board is now reporting that a Washington Post "journalist" had reached out to Mr Judge, who was allegedly in the room with Kavanaugh saying that there were 3 boys and one girl at the party in question The Washington Post's story says there were four boys at the party.

Another issue is that there was someone allegedly at the party, Leland Ingham (now Keyser), who is a women who was one of Christine's classmates and close friends. She has said publicly that she does not know Kavanaugh, nor was she ever at any party that Kavanaugh attended. This means that everyone allegedly at the alleged party has denied the existence of the party, under penalty of perjury (or similar), except for Christine Beasley Ford, who appears to not want to speak under oath regarding the alleged incident.

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