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legendary
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Facebook has already been caught trying to obtain customers financial data from banks and payment companies - though they have said that they declined the Facebook's offer, which might or might not be true, it still shows that you're right - Facebook is interested in obtaining financial data, because that their business model - creating target ads and selling them, and creating their own coins is one way of achieving it.
Yes, Facebook is fined by the US government for five billion dollars for taking advantage of the data of users of their social network. Therefore, despite the fact that they state that they will not use the financial data of users with Libra coins, I do not believe them. Concentration of such global information in one center is a very powerful weapon and we do not know how it will be used in the future.

Isn't it currently just an agreement from and not yet an official justice court decision? Because the day we will see FB paying this huge fine can take while, even years.

I personally don't care about a Facebook coin, I don't see any interest in it. But in another sense, I would like the idea to go through with it because it could finally help the adoption of cryptocurrencies. After that, if their coin end as a shitcoin, I don't care.
I think this is one main reason why people might help hype Libra coin when it is being released,, because if you look at it clearly, Facebook really does not have any value, and the only place that Facebook coin can function more is on their platform, and that is if they impose it on their platform users, especially those who are advertising through them.

Facebook will not run on decentralized system for people to hold on to it as a privacy coin, Libra coin will also be a stable coin, and cannot be used for investment, if they talk about payment, we already have other systems that are performing this, and looking at their payment concept, they are not so different from the other digital payment like that of bank and PayPal,. So what exactly is Libra coming for?
copper member
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Facebook has already been caught trying to obtain customers financial data from banks and payment companies - though they have said that they declined the Facebook's offer, which might or might not be true, it still shows that you're right - Facebook is interested in obtaining financial data, because that their business model - creating target ads and selling them, and creating their own coins is one way of achieving it.
Yes, Facebook is fined by the US government for five billion dollars for taking advantage of the data of users of their social network. Therefore, despite the fact that they state that they will not use the financial data of users with Libra coins, I do not believe them. Concentration of such global information in one center is a very powerful weapon and we do not know how it will be used in the future.

Isn't it currently just an agreement from and not yet an official justice court decision? Because the day we will see FB paying this huge fine can take while, even years.

I personally don't care about a Facebook coin, I don't see any interest in it. But in another sense, I would like the idea to go through with it because it could finally help the adoption of cryptocurrencies. After that, if their coin end as a shitcoin, I don't care.
full member
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Facebook has already been caught trying to obtain customers financial data from banks and payment companies - though they have said that they declined the Facebook's offer, which might or might not be true, it still shows that you're right - Facebook is interested in obtaining financial data, because that their business model - creating target ads and selling them, and creating their own coins is one way of achieving it.
Yes, Facebook is fined by the US government for five billion dollars for taking advantage of the data of users of their social network. Therefore, despite the fact that they state that they will not use the financial data of users with Libra coins, I do not believe them. Concentration of such global information in one center is a very powerful weapon and we do not know how it will be used in the future.
full member
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The name of the coin is Libra coin and not global coin. What you said is true, they are going to use it as means of harvesting more data from their users and then sell it to advertisers. Another thing is that the coin is going to be a stable coin, pegged 1:1 with the USD, it’s not going to be like Bitcoin that is always fluctuating heavily up and down. So anyone who is going to be making use of it should just have it mind that it is just another payment method and not for investment. If you’re looking for investment, then that Libra is not meant for you. Though one thing about it is that lots of companies are going to be accepting it.

We know that technology spread rapidly and some would adopt the system of cryptocurrencies. Well, in terms of stability, we can probably rely on what you said about the Libra coin. The good thing is that things are getting more interested and I think there will be more in the near future.
full member
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Point is, there will never be a harvest of data without data. At the end of the day, it will all boil down to how wide you expose your data. A person's privacy dependa on how he exposes himself.
hero member
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Earlier, the fesbuk as a social network was quite excellent resources, but recently I have been very disappointed with the actions of the administration.  There are a lot of conditions and rules that change constantly, and at the same time I don’t like that they practically possess a large amount of personal data of users to which third parties have access.  The same situation will be with the new project, so I do not expect anything good.
You gave those information they had access too because there is no way that they can forcefully have access to information that was not willingly given, which means that you consented to it, if we did not want them to have access to those information, then we should not have given it.

What exactly is the information we have been claiming Facebook have access to? Is it the email that is used to register which anyone can easily guess, is it the picture that you can decide to put even a picture that is not yours, or is it the name that anyone can share with you, or is it birthday that you can lie on? So what exactly is the vital information we have been killing Facebook on, I really do not know? Everyone does kyc, I don’t have issue with Facebook coin on this, except the fact that the technology of the Libra does not fit into crypto that much.
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I have deleted FaceBook from my phone, I use it only on webbrowser. I am considering deleting myself completely.
The data collection is off the charts, regularly new information arises that they are breaking all of the privacy rules of normal persons.

Fb coin could be a good boost to crypto market but i certainly will not use it.

I am fan of socializing and looking at other's shared photos and posts online though it is true that I don't like sharing stuffs especially personal stuffs.

The thing here is that I use cryptocurrencies because of the fact that I can pay my bills without getting out of my house or seeing those people at the front desk, dealing with some of those people are so annoying. Another thing is that if someone is accepting my payment as Bitcoin, that would be so efficient making more time to do other things.
Earlier, the fesbuk as a social network was quite excellent resources, but recently I have been very disappointed with the actions of the administration.  There are a lot of conditions and rules that change constantly, and at the same time I don’t like that they practically possess a large amount of personal data of users to which third parties have access.  The same situation will be with the new project, so I do not expect anything good.
hero member
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I have deleted FaceBook from my phone, I use it only on webbrowser. I am considering deleting myself completely.
The data collection is off the charts, regularly new information arises that they are breaking all of the privacy rules of normal persons.

Fb coin could be a good boost to crypto market but i certainly will not use it.

I am fan of socializing and looking at other's shared photos and posts online though it is true that I don't like sharing stuffs especially personal stuffs.

The thing here is that I use cryptocurrencies because of the fact that I can pay my bills without getting out of my house or seeing those people at the front desk, dealing with some of those people are so annoying. Another thing is that if someone is accepting my payment as Bitcoin, that would be so efficient making more time to do other things.
legendary
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Are we heading inevitably into a future where crypto is used as a means for big companies to harvest your data for profit?

Big companies are doing that since mid 80`s? And since internet is invented we voluntarily give our privacy, they have an easy job in harvesting our personal informations. Internet privacy is a big issue, and while some people know how to stay safe and protected, majority is very naive.
What can crypto do about it? Crypto can be used for many things, it`s a fact. If someone want`s to use crypto for data harvesting it`s definitely possible, but in the same way there are crypto projects that offer privacy and anonymity. Internet and crypto, together, offer many possibilities, for people who are smart enough to use them, whether to stay hidden or you want to be exposed, people do both things willingly.
sr. member
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It is now called Libra and yes, I believe that collecting ALL possible info is what Facebook is after. Just to put it in perspective, Target can correctly predict that a woman is pregnant simply coz of their purchase history https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/02/16/how-target-figured-out-a-teen-girl-was-pregnant-before-her-father-did/#1c0692b26668

Now imagine Facebook getting a hold of this (you're using Libra to purchase stuff online) as well as all the other info you are providing in your profile through your activity. Heck even Youtube surprise me with recommendations appearing just as I'm thinking of something - and many people are saying the same thing happening to them. And Google only have our search history from Chrome and watched history from Youtube.

"Curator of digital identities" is the endgame.

I personally don't care about a Facebook coin, I don't see any interest in it. But in another sense, I would like the idea to go through with it because it could finally help the adoption of cryptocurrencies. After that, if their coin end as a shitcoin, I don't care.

I just hope this wouldn't put people at risk simply coz people in their social circle are using it.
newbie
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Tin foil hats on, people, I'm going in...

Big news recently has been Facebook's announcement that it will be launching its own cryptocurrency, 'GlobalCoin'. I think this has implications for the direction of travel of crypto as a whole.

Facebook, along with other major internet companies such as Google, offers its services 'for free'. Obviously 'free' is not really free, as these companies harvest all of the personal data that you provide and use increasingly sophisticated behavioural analytics programs to predict your future behaviour, and sell this on for big profit.

So the Facebook coin - they can harvest data on your personality, age, gender, politics and preferences, but the ultimate aim is to acquire everything, all data, including the most valuable one, which is what you buy and when (and under what circumstances) you buy it. This is surely the real purpose of Facebook's move into crypto. All of your purchase activity with this Facebook coin will be tracked and incorporated into the 'digital you' that Facebook sell on.

Is the rest of crypto heading the same way? I know there are privacy coins, but the overall trend is towards KYC - including on exchanges, and this will doubtless increase as mainstream adoption draws closer and governments become more hands-on in devising legislation. And then couple this with the privacy trade-offs that we are likely to concede in order to make use of the convenience of IoT and connected devices.

Are we heading inevitably into a future where crypto is used as a means for big companies to harvest your data for profit?

The direction cryptocurrency will adopt we'll be decided by the majority of its users. It’s understandable to feel apprehension regarding Libra's characteristics as general representation of the crypto future, and even more so as it is such a centralized, regulated and closed system that can’t be called blockchain anymore. But that’s just it, it doesn’t represent crypto and its trends any more than PayPal or any other current digital remittance service. Now, whether its going to be massively adopted or not its an uncertainty at this point, but what’s tangible now is that the diversity of the cryptocurrency environment allows the freedom to choose where we’ll operate.

In regards to this supposedly globalized and unified currency that Facebook wants to impose, there are visions and projects emerging that are truer to the blockchain principles without sacrificing the same scope and reach.
full member
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The name of the coin is Libra coin and not global coin. What you said is true, they are going to use it as means of harvesting more data from their users and then sell it to advertisers. Another thing is that the coin is going to be a stable coin, pegged 1:1 with the USD, it’s not going to be like Bitcoin that is always fluctuating heavily up and down. So anyone who is going to be making use of it should just have it mind that it is just another payment method and not for investment. If you’re looking for investment, then that Libra is not meant for you. Though one thing about it is that lots of companies are going to be accepting it.
full member
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Libra won't get any big attention if it won't offer people something extraordinary
libra isnt releasead yet but why they are already gaining massive attention ? some says that libra coins announcement did have an impact on the btc price and btc price went up  . facebook is a good platform with lots of features compare to other social media sites so their coin wont also be ordinary  .

majority of the population is happy with banks and payment services like PayPal, why would they even want to try Libra?

ask your self first on why there is a masive demand on cryptocurencies especially bitcoin if there are banks and paypals  .
legendary
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There is no need for privacy coins, there is no need for surveillance capitalism, there needs to be a middle ground and we have it ; bitcoin. Right now stuff like monero or xspectrecoin and so forth are good at what they are doing but do we really need that much security? Are we sure that its just enough and should be that much? I feel like I would work way too much for security and privacy too much, I think bitcoin is just enough for me.

Obviously, Libra is way too much centralized and its risky to use it because they will be following every single money you spent and just like they use your information to sell ads they will use your spending behavior to also sell it for ads and that is not acceptable neither. So thats why people use bitcoin and say both libra and monero are both too sides radical.
legendary
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People are just confused on what they really want, human wants are insatiable, and there is no way you can really satisfy them no matter the system you create. With their crave for privacy coin, MONERO community ought to have grown more than it is now, so let us forget that eye service that people do a lot. When Facebook coin is released, believe me that it will gain more attention of thousands of people than Monero, people on face whatever benefits them and do not care about privacy that much.

Libra won't get any big attention if it won't offer people something extraordinary - majority of the population is happy with banks and payment services like PayPal, why would they even want to try Libra? Credit card companies and banks compete with each other by offering cashback, miles and other beneficial terms, if Libra won't do something like that, it won't get attention of millions. In that case all it can hope for is short-term interest from crypto fans, but since it's a stablecoin, there's no room for speculation.
legendary
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I don't even mind us getting watched by facebook for actually good reasons at all, I mean for example if I am a person that likes
basketball and NBA and when I go to facebook or instagram and check out those type of things and after that I get an advertisement about some NBA jerseys or stuff related to basketball that is just good business, I would totally understand that and I would accept it. They can get my information about what type of person I am and then give me advertisements according to that.

However, they are just giving away political information now as well and they are giving away personal information along with just "likes and dislikes" type of stuff, like even your pictures as well. That is why I think there should be a limit, yeah they should have some info because that is how they make money but they should not have excess amount of info.
legendary
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I can't even understand why any blockchain related company do request KYC just to start this talk.. were not these transactions supposed to be 100% anonymous? Where did our privacy go?

It's a consequence of the success of crypto. When it was a tiny niche area, no country was bothered about it, and so there was no legislation. But now that the market cap is measured in $billions, governments are sitting up and taking notice, and starting to either implement legislation or else make threatening noises about it. This is all part of the road to mass adoption. Many new coins ask for KYC to cover themselves and make best efforts to ensure they are legally compliant.

As for Facebook though, they have a history of just moving ahead of governments into unlegislated space and then establishing their activities there as the new normal. In the past they haven't cared about laws. It will be interesting to see whether governments react now that FB is moving into finance via crypto.
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legendary
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Facebook Libra remind me Big Data begin
But we have to notice is not cryptocurrency. Libra is centralized coin or rather will be.Libra will be owned and issued by institution institution what had big problem with respecting privacy policy
Exchanges KYC if crypto is consider like a money then there is KYC if crypto is traded to fiat then there is KYC
hero member
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I felt sad when I read your post. Facebook coin - I personally would not trust this company. Facebook already had a challenger when they merged user data.

I also felt sad. Facebook needs to stay the hell away from crypto. Noone wants them there. They like to ruin things and get everyones personal info. Twitter too, needs a phone number and they suspend accounts often.
Tin foil hats on, people, I'm going in...

Big news recently has been Facebook's announcement that it will be launching its own cryptocurrency, 'GlobalCoin'. I think this has implications for the direction of travel of crypto as a whole.

Facebook, along with other major internet companies such as Google, offers its services 'for free'. Obviously 'free' is not really free, as these companies harvest all of the personal data that you provide and use increasingly sophisticated behavioural analytics programs to predict your future behaviour, and sell this on for big profit.

So the Facebook coin - they can harvest data on your personality, age, gender, politics and preferences, but the ultimate aim is to acquire everything, all data, including the most valuable one, which is what you buy and when (and under what circumstances) you buy it. This is surely the real purpose of Facebook's move into crypto. All of your purchase activity with this Facebook coin will be tracked and incorporated into the 'digital you' that Facebook sell on.

Is the rest of crypto heading the same way? I know there are privacy coins, but the overall trend is towards KYC - including on exchanges, and this will doubtless increase as mainstream adoption draws closer and governments become more hands-on in devising legislation. And then couple this with the privacy trade-offs that we are likely to concede in order to make use of the convenience of IoT and connected devices.

Are we heading inevitably into a future where crypto is used as a means for big companies to harvest your data for profit?
It's possible that could happen Facebook has been known to harvest data from its users, we already have KYC in various cryptocurrency companies and now that Facebook is creating their own coin, they can use it to harvest data and they can do it because they have known to do it in the past.

Most of these ICO should not be asking for KYC anyway. I don't even know why they do. They are not capable of protecting our info either. They have proven it over and over, just look at all the exchange hacks.
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I have deleted FaceBook from my phone, I use it only on webbrowser. I am considering deleting myself completely.
The data collection is off the charts, regularly new information arises that they are breaking all of the privacy rules of normal persons.

Fb coin could be a good boost to crypto market but i certainly will not use it.
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