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legendary
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Are we heading inevitably into a future where crypto is used as a means for big companies to harvest your data for profit?
That is really a good question. But until now, I still cannot understand how our personal information can help businesses. Or do they just want to collect our information to check how many people are involved in the crypto market? If someone knows their purpose, answer my question. thanks.
Facebook issues participate in the crypto market to possess personal information, I think they will not need to do so to get our nonsensical information.
They participate in the crypto market just to get more partners to expand and develop their payment services.

The purpose is behavioural analytics used to predict and influence future purchasing. It's an incredibly lucrative field. Say someone wants to sell a sports drink. Instead of wasting money by blanket targeting everyone through say a TV advert, they can get an ad to pop-up on your phone when you've just left the gym. They know there's a shop just around the corner that sells their drink, they know you're thirsty because you've been exercising, they know you have a history of buying other drinks from that shop at that particular time of day. Their model indicates that you are attending the gym more often than you used to. You're trying to engage in a healthier lifestyle. They then sell this information on again to a client company who produces juicers and smoothie-makers, and another company that sells bicycles, perhaps they'll offer you 10% off a new bike, but only for a limited time - and they'll send this offer to you at 8pm becuase they know this is when you're tired and more likely to make impulse purchases.

That's the point of it. Companies pay a lot of money for this sort of advantage.
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Tin foil hats on, people, I'm going in...

Big news recently has been Facebook's announcement that it will be launching its own cryptocurrency, 'GlobalCoin'. I think this has implications for the direction of travel of crypto as a whole.

Facebook, along with other major internet companies such as Google, offers its services 'for free'. Obviously 'free' is not really free, as these companies harvest all of the personal data that you provide and use increasingly sophisticated behavioural analytics programs to predict your future behaviour, and sell this on for big profit.

So the Facebook coin - they can harvest data on your personality, age, gender, politics and preferences, but the ultimate aim is to acquire everything, all data, including the most valuable one, which is what you buy and when (and under what circumstances) you buy it. This is surely the real purpose of Facebook's move into crypto. All of your purchase activity with this Facebook coin will be tracked and incorporated into the 'digital you' that Facebook sell on.

Is the rest of crypto heading the same way? I know there are privacy coins, but the overall trend is towards KYC - including on exchanges, and this will doubtless increase as mainstream adoption draws closer and governments become more hands-on in devising legislation. And then couple this with the privacy trade-offs that we are likely to concede in order to make use of the convenience of IoT and connected devices.

Are we heading inevitably into a future where crypto is used as a means for big companies to harvest your data for profit?
That is really a good question. But until now, I still cannot understand how our personal information can help businesses. Or do they just want to collect our information to check how many people are involved in the crypto market? If someone knows their purpose, answer my question. thanks.
Facebook issues participate in the crypto market to possess personal information, I think they will not need to do so to get our nonsensical information.
They participate in the crypto market just to get more partners to expand and develop their payment services.
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We have long entered the era of information technology and information is now one of the most expensive things. In recent years, governments of different countries are doing everything possible to control their citizens in different areas, and for this private companies like Facebook are often involved. Naturally, governments also seek to control cryptocurrencies and their owners by all available means. I think that with the development of cryptocurrency regulation will only tighten
legendary
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Are we heading inevitably into a future where crypto is used as a means for big companies to harvest your data for profit?

You are hitting the nail on the head with that comment and this explains why regulators are still open to consider legalizing Crypto currency use in their countries. They have big plans for this technology and it includes "GovCoins" that would track every single financial transaction that you make with their Crypto currency.

Why do you think governments want to push for a cashless society?  Angry

Absolutely Correct! Digital economy is the inevitable future and governments will have to start preparing their plans to create a centralized digital currency as decentralization would not work for them! Facebook's Global coin is the first step towards this development. They will not be anonymous and they will compliant with various regulatory rules around the world where every single transactions will be tracked. The coin launched by Facebook will not be an exception and push towards a strictly controlled economy.

I really have no idea why people are cheering about this news! 
full member
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Yes, most likely, it will be so. If before we made purchases using paper money and practically remained anonymous, then this relatively anonymous cryptocurrency may well prove to be a good source of receiving our confidential information and generally any information about us. If we have a mobile phone and use cryptocurrency, the government and in general everyone who enters the relevant databases will know absolutely everything about us. For a complete set, you only need to read our thoughts. Now research in this area is coming to an end. There is no time left for total control over us.
By the way, in science fiction such societies have long been described with complete control over people where even their thoughts are read. Everything that was ever written in the genre of fiction, always came true.
legendary
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Are we heading inevitably into a future where crypto is used as a means for big companies to harvest your data for profit?

You are hitting the nail on the head with that comment and this explains why regulators are still open to consider legalizing Crypto currency use in their countries. They have big plans for this technology and it includes "GovCoins" that would track every single financial transaction that you make with their Crypto currency.

Why do you think governments want to push for a cashless society?  Angry
hero member
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Facebook, along with other major internet companies such as Google, offers its services 'for free'. Obviously 'free' is not really free, as these companies harvest all of the personal data that you provide and use increasingly sophisticated behavioural analytics programs to predict your future behaviour, and sell this on for big profit.

And a lot are still being fooled by this. Yes they are collecting data already. Even your photos and videos are being drawn to them. Data is power. That is correct. I remember that from the Johnny English movie (the new one). It gave me goosebumps. Hell yeah! It could happen. No more privacy and security.

Are we heading inevitably into a future where crypto is used as a means for big companies to harvest your data for profit?
It is just sad that Satoshi offered bitcoin to avoid all of this data harvesting websites and banks. Yet, Supporters up until now is really low compared to the total number of adult human beings in the world.

We must teach kids. Make them aware that our data should always be private like the stone age. Grin
hero member
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Well i don't like doing kyc for all exchanges at least not there where i not deposit money via card or bank transfer, i also not like surveillance and also the way the work try to go. I wish crypto be decentralized.
legendary
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Are we heading inevitably into a future where crypto is used as a means for big companies to harvest your data for profit?
Im pretty sure that they already have done it but it isnt disclosed yet.We have seen on past issues with Facebook when it comes to information leak.We
dont even know if those are just simply an alibi or total shows just to deceive people.I dont see this Globalcoin do any have significant similarities with a pure crypto currency
yet this would be just a centralized coin would be used up for FB's services and so forth but surveilance and reversible transactions might be possible.
hero member
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Data is one of the most valuable things and most people just hand it over for nothing and do not care.  I'm really scared about how powerful this Facebook could become among the masses.  Zuckerberg has already shown that he is a psycho that is bent on world dominance.  I'm guessing their coin won't be mineable at all and will be completely centralized.
hero member
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Facebook has already been caught trying to obtain customers financial data from banks and payment companies - though they have said that they declined the Facebook's offer, which might or might not be true, it still shows that you're right - Facebook is interested in obtaining financial data, because that their business model - creating target ads and selling them, and creating their own coins is one way of achieving it.

It is up to the user how far this social media can extract info from him.
If you are not in any way favor of their business, you can always delete your account from them.
It is up to you actually, how they can track your behavior. You will be the one feeding your information.
Creating their own coin will create more crypto adoption. So I have nothing against with them.
More crypto adoption means the btc price might further increase its value.
hero member
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Inevitably crypto space tendency is to become even more centralized and restrict. Kyc requirement lets it very clear. Soon exchanges that don't adopt this procediment will be forbidden of operating their businesses by governments that are uniting themselves to adopt similar regulations toward crypto currency.
You can verify it by looking India government actions: they were visiting some countries like Japan and Uk to learn about their regulations and have some ideas about how India crypto regulations must be. There is an uniform movement coming from different countries to threat crypto currency users privacy.
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Are we so sensitive enough of our privacy that we forget we’re living in a world of fraud. Is Facebook privacy and data issue is really alarming or just part of something that does happen locally within our country without our knowledge? Or we’re been dragged by some PR machines into something they’re personal intention is behind money.

I don’t agree with how Facebook used or unintentionally been used in something that is beyond we intended our data to be used. CIA is tracking us for decades. That’s an open secret, but we don’t condemn it as we do in this social media platform.

Remember:
 Facebook is a powerful tool and a government that controls it will have the advantage. The pressure is way beyond we can only imagine.
hero member
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Facebook has already been caught trying to obtain customers financial data from banks and payment companies - though they have said that they declined the Facebook's offer, which might or might not be true, it still shows that you're right - Facebook is interested in obtaining financial data, because that their business model - creating target ads and selling them, and creating their own coins is one way of achieving it.

Well, that is alarming. The reason why cryptocurrency is loved by many is because of anonymity that it brings to it's user. Divulging personal information is really risky especially if financial information is involved. Well, let's all just wait what would be the real aim of facebook when they finally launch their own crypto.
legendary
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Facebook has already been caught trying to obtain customers financial data from banks and payment companies - though they have said that they declined the Facebook's offer, which might or might not be true, it still shows that you're right - Facebook is interested in obtaining financial data, because that their business model - creating target ads and selling them, and creating their own coins is one way of achieving it.
full member
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KYC is something that we shouldn't fear. We all know how it could help the security of a certain coin and every transaction being performed using it. The risk is, Facebook contains all our information so it will be easy for their coin to track transactions without requiring KYC. They could also track our holdings if ever we'll purchase their coins. It's hard to entrust everything in a coin which could access our private information. They would surely take control of this.

I think that Facebook will be forced to do some kind of KYC of the users of their GlobalCoin, to be sure that the currency can be legal around the world.
I'm more interested in how they will secure the users of their coin, so people who get their Facebook account hacked, don't end up losing there crypto also.
sr. member
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KYC is something that we shouldn't fear. We all know how it could help the security of a certain coin and every transaction being performed using it. The risk is, Facebook contains all our information so it will be easy for their coin to track transactions without requiring KYC. They could also track our holdings if ever we'll purchase their coins. It's hard to entrust everything in a coin which could access our private information. They would surely take control of this.
hero member
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Unfortunately more crypto adoption means more transparency and the coins that focus on being anonymous,like monero will be restricted and penalized even further.
By the way,globalcoin is an awful name.FBcoin is way better. Grin
legendary
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In one point perhaps crypto would experience and head that way, though I don't think that it will be completely going that way. Only those who wish to trade their crypto to fiat are at risk and are offering being data mined by companies, and for the rest of the community who doesn't use centralized exchanges on their dealings, I guess they are safe from such surveillance--but then again we know at some point they are going to have to exchange that crypto to some fiat.

Perhaps it's a compromise we must accept in order to see bitcoin and crypto grow and have some of that acceptance from the masses.
legendary
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I don't use FB and I stopped using google as a search engine, though I can't say I've stopped using all of their services.

Those two companies are like big brother from George Orwell's 1984, and both of them freak me out. 

Yes, I agree 100%. It is becoming increasingly difficult to avoid them. Every company can see the huge income that FB and Google can generate on the back of the personal information that we hand over freely, and unsurprisingly they all want in. Particularly if you have a smart phone - it's not just the Android operating system, it seems like every app wants to grab your location data, access your photos, contacts etc. And if you delve into the permissions that most websites now want, it's like entering an infinite labyrinth, they sell your data on to a huge number of companies, who in turn sell it on further. It's an onslaught.

This is the thing that concerns me about the FB coin. It will absolutely be used to track purchases and potential purchases and whatever else it can track; this is how FB makes its money. It's essentially a behavioural futures market.

So given that all these companies are chasing after our personal information, and that surveillance possibilities are ever-increasing with the introduction of new tech like facial recognition becoming more widespread, this comes back to crypto again in the form of IoT devices managed by smart contracts. It's a small step from KYC on exchanges to full surveillance everywhere, and the worst thing is that there's money in it to act as an incentive.

There's some good, insightful literature on this stuff. I'd recommend 'The Age of Surveillance Capitalism' by Shoshana Zuboff. Probably best not to get it from Amazon though Wink
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