[SURVEY] Who thinks the Lemmings should also be removed as Merit Sources? - page 4.

The Sceptical Chymist

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Quote from: Upgrade00 on August 16, 2022, 06:27:56 AM

I honestly do not see the correlation between both, besides being volunteer positions (especially merit sources) that users do not get any benefit from.

There isn't any correlation, but Timelord2067 has been known to exhibit a weird form of pareidolia when it comes to forum-related associations, so maybe DT and merit sources being lumped in together is an extension of that. No offense, Timelord2067; I know I'm not the only one who's noticed that trait, nor am I the first to have mentioned it in a thread.

So who are these members who are demanding to be removed from DT? I've read about people clearing their trust lists (which I've recently done), but aside from marlboroza a while back I haven't seen any such demands. Could have missed it, though.

In any case, I wouldn't even care if a DT member-merit source got booted from the DT list by the community. As long as they're handing out merits appropriately and not abusing the system, they should stay merit sources. Think about how many sources we have now and how long it takes for members to rank up. If you started removing sources simply because they wanted off the DT list, it'd throw a monkey wrench in the merit machine that might be hard to fix.

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Quote from: Timelord2067 on August 16, 2022, 06:20:32 AM

Who thinks those who have requested they be removed permanently of their DT1 status should also be removed as Merit Sources?

I will choose that merit source should be left alone regardless of being among DT1 or not, but this may not be perfectly answered because if DT system is regarded to be flawed, so thus merit system. I wonder why they want theymos to make some changes to DT while not complaining some changes for merit source. I expect merit system to be more decentralized than theymos packing most smerits to just few people. Both are not perfect but both are helping, nothing should change is what I think.

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I'll be honest, I was also struggling to see the correlation between the two. However, I guess there's one point to be made. If a user isn't trusted in the first place, do we trust them to distribute merit appropriately? I guess that's the only major question I can see from this. However, if you're trusted, and you've just asked the community to not include you in their trust lists, I'm not entirely sure why that would effect their judgement on being merit sources. If theymos has a problem, he will, and has removed merit sources.

I also voted no for the time being, unless I'm missing the point here. Feel free to enlighten me.

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Quote from: Timelord2067 on August 16, 2022, 06:20:32 AM

No - the merit sources should stay as is.

This is my vote (too). The drama about Trust is one thing, meriting posts that deserve it is another thing. Yes, sometimes people merit posts expressing views on the trust system, and yes, people tend to merit the posts expressing views similar to their own instead of good posts, still, the merit system is imho in a much better shape now that it was 1 year ago (just a random date in the past) and I don't want to risk making it worse (we do need the merit sources).

And back to the Trust system, that one may need improvements. People removing themselves from DT1 or clearing their trust lists are just a symptom of all that. And those are valid choices; people should not be punished for that.

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Quote from: Upgrade00 on August 16, 2022, 06:27:56 AM

The topic title already gave away a prejudiced view from you

I don't agree with OP, still, I find it a valid question. Not really worthy for a poll, still, a valid question.

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Quote from: Timelord2067 on August 16, 2022, 06:30:53 AM

I believe most merit sources don't actually go looking for meritorious posts, rather they gift them amongst other DT1 or Merit Sources with feeble stories of some sort of Trickle Down Effect to the lower ranks.

If you don't know who merit sources are, how do you know how "most" of them act?

Your views could of course be correct and there could be a sort of merit back scratching among sources, but I do not still get the correlation to default trust and a users decision to want to be excluded from it.
No system is perfect, but if you believe the merit source make up is flawed and abused, you can make an argument against that directly.

Timelord2067

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Quote from: Upgrade00 on August 16, 2022, 06:27:56 AM

The topic title already gave away a prejudiced view from you

Thanks for voting - I appreciate it.

Quote from: Upgrade00 on August 16, 2022, 06:27:56 AM

I voted "No - the merit sources should stay as it is"

I honestly do not see the correlation between both, besides being volunteer positions (especially merit sources) that users do not get any benefit from. Being a merit source does not come with extra benefit or obligation besides taking your time to find and merit deserving posts, and stay away from dubious merit activities.

Merit sources do not have to carry the mantle of Default trust and shouldn't if they don't feel up to it or interested.

I believe most merit sources don't actually go looking for meritorious posts, rather they gift them amongst other DT1 or Merit Sources with feeble stories of some sort of Trickle Down Effect to the lower ranks.

Most Merit Sources were anointed originally while others have campaigned to be given their rolls.

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Quote from: Timelord2067 on August 16, 2022, 06:20:32 AM

But, given others are calling for change in the DT1 ranks - perhaps now is the time to examine who is a merit source and as the poll asks, should they be merit sources if they do not want to carry the mantle of the rank of DT1.

I voted "No - the merit sources should stay as it is"

I honestly do not see the correlation between both, besides being volunteer positions (especially merit sources) that users do not get any benefit from. Being a merit source does not come with extra benefit or obligation besides taking your time to find and merit deserving posts, and stay away from dubious merit activities.

Merit sources do not have to carry the mantle of Default trust and shouldn't if they don't feel up to it or interested.

The topic title already gave away a prejudiced view from you

Timelord2067

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I am taking a quick survey:

Who thinks those who have requested they be removed permanently of their DT1 status should also be removed as Merit Sources?

The three voting choices are as follows:

Yes, removed as Merit Sources if they request permanent removal of DT1 ranking
Not sure - something needs to change.
No - the merit sources should stay as is.

Discussions welcome as are votes.

One vote per user - you can change your vote as and when you feel like it.

This survey is to get a feel for other users' thoughts - I have no idea who is actually a merit source given @theymos does not appear to advertise such information ^{(and we only have anecdotal information to support any theories who they are)}. But, given others are calling for change in the DT1 ranks - perhaps now is the time to examine who is a merit source and as the poll asks, should they be merit sources if they do not want to carry the mantle of the rank of DT1.

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