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They asked the players who found out about it to not mention it to the other players.  Not only did they release no statement, but they deliberately concealed it from their customers.  Whether they pay or not, they've already lied by omission.  Under current site ownership, their reputation will never fully recover.

Agreed.  The ambiguity of the released statements by the representative is silly at best and is downright willfully ignorant imo.  It's almost as if they didn't release any statement at all. 

Most of the action is in the scheduled tournaments. You won't always be able to find a tournament to play but they have several bigger tournaments that get quite a few players.

Giving the site another look ---> It's just so hard to find a tournament to play.  Not really worth the fee to deposit chips onto the site ---> where's the traffic?  27 active players online now ---> Almost all freerolling!  Where's the action?

To SWC Support:

As someone who has played mid to high stakes ring games on your site and was recently compensated 100k krill for agreeing to forgive other past "incidents", shall we say, this is a new issue that I'm disappointed to hear about  . . . from the players first.

Can you please tell us when we will receive our chips and BCC as a result of this glitch?  I've played as high as 200/400 limit games when BTC was priced lower and still play 15/30+ if there is a game running.  I can only imagine how many chips I lost to this glitch while you stood by and let those that knew take advantage.

I don't think it's quite time for all the players to boycott the site until we've gotten compensated for yet another error, but I think it's something that has to get answered this month, at the very latest.

Thanks,

Marauders80

Good point.  I think Myz94's objective was to troll me so that the signal to noise ratio would go down.

There's a rough-working copy of a script to find hands with discrepancy of seats at the end of hands relative to the seats at the beginning inside hand histories. The current iteration finds hands with missing seats in the summary, processes them down to hands missing only one seat, and from there removes hands from the output with the value "seat 256" as that is corrupted hand history. Over the weekend a revised version will be made that give that same information but add to the output the hand winner and missing seats contributed money. A lot of hand histories people have are fragmented or corrupted in a couple of ways, I may have an iteration made to flag all hands missing the summary, all hands missing more than one seat, and all hands with the "seat 256" value as to enable people to request proper hand history from SWC.

On that same note, the last time I emailed SWC asking for hand history the said they'd make full hand histories available when they refund people. Why not before and why not now is beyond me.



both of you stop spamming the fucking thread. devalues everything else around it

...are we done here?

Let justice be done. That is the correct answer.

I'm glad I still have a knack for getting in touch with your emotional weaknesses. If SwC misappropriated funds and it is not resolved, you know I am all over it. Unlike you, I have worked and managed projects before and understand the moving parts involved in addressing a customer issue.

What was your last job other than getting banned from multiple poker sites?

I didn't ignore substance.  There simply was none.  You're just a shill who doesn't even play cash games.  As I stated above, you have nothing to gain by them paying, and everything to lose by them shutting their doors.  Your life is that trollbox.

Let justice be done, may the heavens fall.

The thing about truth is that it doesn't depend on your acceptance of it to be true.  What is self-evident eventually exposes itself as reality.

The truth is SWC did misappropriate funds and then go through great lengths to conceal it from its player base.

This won't be the first bitcoin scam to go under.

You know you've hit the target when someone disregards the substance of your message, and replies to the open-ended comment at the end. Yes, kook, unlike all other users of the site, you would deserve it because genuinely and persistently threatening to kill people hundreds of times has its consequences.

I would deserve to be stolen from?

We're done here, Myz.

Whose fault is that? It is not a dishonest company, it's just not the most efficient nor well-backed. It's still a fucking rockstar compared to the other btc sites which have been compromised by a number of interests other than BTC and anonymity. I agree with you that it's kind of hilarious how ambiguously defined this issue is, but I absolutely deny your understanding of the issue because you are simply not technically literate. RUchamp is even worse.

You are showing zero restraint in making claims of a "scam" where MOST of the time, you as a player would never hear about this kind of issue. That doesn't make it right for SwC to drag ass in understanding and therefore announcing it, but you are simply misrepresenting the efforts of the site and its staff. It IS a crazy kook rant, you just think because you stopped pursuing people and trying to dox them, that you have some sort of mature perspective. If it's a shitload of money, it will be a problem and nothing you say along these lines will change what needs to be done: pay back or take a large reputation hit. I remind you that you have ventured into the realm of the hypothetical, kind of like you did when you spent months, years having incredible meltdowns at complete false alarms.

I have all the attention I need, because I deserve it. I actually am furious with you as a person, because I hoped you would make it out of your struggles. I abuse people like you because you need a daddy, you need someone to remind you how life works.

Be patient. You are a terrible person and unlike most users, would deserve to be stolen from if that turned out to be the case. With that said, I don't think that's what is happening here and I don't think you have any intention on helping the issue. You just want to see blood that's not your own for once.

SWC is so concerned about their reputation that they asked several players who knew about the bug to not tell anyone for months!  They are a dishonest company.

I am here to help expose the truth about this horrible company that stole from its players and then concealed it to keep their exit scam faucet running just a bit longer.

Join discord chat and ask some of the players who actually paid rake for the last 2.5 years, unlike yourself, if I've been at all helpful to them.  If I started dropping names of all the oo oo bigshot players who are on my side, you'd realize that this is not just a crazy kook rant.  I represent the majority.

If anyone's here just to seek attention and be noticed, it's you.  You have nothing to gain as you're not a real player.  What you have to lose, though, is your precious trollbox in which you spend your days, running amok and abusing people for your own entertainment.

You are wrong about literally all of them. With your reply you have proven my last one. You are not here to help, neither SwC nor any prospective or current players. You are here to be noticed and you want money. Kook, do NOT even come close to pushing me. I will end this thread faster than you can ask for my address and threaten to kill my mother repeatedly for hours at a time.

Reputation matters. SwC seems to be working on theirs. What are you doing with yours, today?

I'm not wrong about any of my points.

If you post screenshots of me, i'll be forced to post screenshots of tournament director and player liaison glitch attacking his players repeatedly based on things such as their race and religion every time he lost a hand or had his lies challenged in the trollbox.  Who has more to lose?

Everyone reading this thread should now know you are Myz94.  You are a notorious troll and have been blocked by more players for abuse than any other account.  Why it was just last week that you were attacking Jen (pokrplayer10) when she had just been discharged from a hospital where she had life threatening surgery.  Such a class act!

You're clearly desperate, and you know that when SWC is finally gone, you'll have no trollbox in which to live out your meaningless days.  Time to get real friends, buddy!  SWC is going away.

1. You are probably wrong

2. You are wrong

3. You are wrong about this one too

4. What? Are you even saying anything here? Are you on your meds today? Didn't we already chat about the dangers?

5. Yes, they absolutely do. However you are an amateur at what you do, therefore your understanding of the issue is not sufficient. I'm sure if RUchamp's "commissioned" (LMFAO) script is useful, SwC will acknowledge and use it. However you, kook, are so brutally incompetent and you can't understand that your motive has shifted to something malicious and unhelpful. It's just like the good old days where you would consistently accuse the site of things that were absolutely baseless and often involve very very violent implications by you.

You can continue on your path while the supporters of the site continue to be patient and understanding. Regardless, we are all smart enough to understand SwC's announcement that they will be announcing the findings as soon as possible. If there is a scam involved, it will come out.

Just stop, kook. You've threatened to kill everyone here at least once. Do you want me to post it all here? It's an ugly look into infrequent moments at SwC but I'm very, very tempted right now. It might just render you unreliable

I will answer all your points:

1.  Regardless of their intent, money was misappropriated.  Scamming without intent is a real thing!  Support has STILL not officially notified any of their players that they had a bug in their software for 2.5 years.

2. They give away very little money in freerolls.  The largest krillroll now rewards players who have 2500+ krill.  What about the players who have earned upward of 300,000 krill?  Where is their reward?

3. The logic of grinding freerolls in an insolvent room is to get as much as we can back from what they stole.

4. You are now saying that it's not worth our time to grind freerolls that only pay 1 chip over 3 places, but just two questions ago you asserted that "they give away so much money in freerolls."  Do you have memory problems?

5. Our accusations have evidence.  We've been reviewing hand histories together day and night for a couple weeks in discord chat.  RUchamp has commissioned a script from a third party that can review a user's hand history to see exactly how much SWC misappropriated.

See? This man knows how shit works. You degens think you're professionals for paying someone $5 to write a script, but really you're just bullying a team of people who run the coolest, least invasive, most user-tolerant btc poker site and ran into an issue with addressing a bug correctly. Based on the posts I've seen, it seems people are looking for blood because bitcoin is over $4000 and they regret not managing their BR. This is a glimmer of hope for them. If there is a persistent bug, I would imagine you probably have money coming, or you don't because you weren't affected! Get the fuck over it and wait for the announcements. Many poker sites would just nope the fuck out and you'd see your money in like 365 days, or you would never hear about it at all!

SwC does not have issues with being dishonest with players, they clearly have some minor issues to address with software and I look forward to what their big-picture solution will be - given it's not all cosmetic. Yes, I understand it is concerning especially to people who haven't been around for a while, but jesus christ learn to recognize the difference between the poker sites you play on. Stop treating it like McDonalds vs BK, it's more like McDonalds vs that Jewish deli on the corner with a huge line, no bathrooms, but the best food on the planet. Support what you believe in. If you don't believe in it, leave the site. As for people like kook and ruchamp, they quit the site every few months and go on these rants in chat that are extremely aggressive nonsense. They are meaningless people all around, but they do pay rake and have reason to be concerned.

I cannot stress enough that I am the kind of person that would be all over this shit. Some of you know me well. However it's pretty clear it will be taken care of in any way possible, and I do not want to see the site get a bad rep because of a few players, specifically the ones in this thread, who have a long history of trying to smear shit all over the site on total false alarms or non-issues, constantly get banned and come back apologizing, and are living proof that the site is trustworthy. They are also living proof that antidepressants are dangerous and unreliable.

 So...
I do not support silencing opinions and complaints, but all this high-and-mighty "we are users and we have grievances" BS is just a group of a few degens who need money. NONE of them have jobs nor qualifications to understand what it means to manage and audit software.

 As someone who actually likes to help the communities he is a part of, I would like to thank SwC for coming back and acknowledging that there may be an issue and giving some general idea of how frequent and situational it may be.  The timing is kind of shitty, but I can understand why there's caution in prematurely confirming a problem that seems to be pretty slippery and infrequent.

I look forward to hearing what happens with this issue however I encourage any onlookers to practice due diligence, research the usernames making these aggressive claims, and see what you find.

So because he plays in a freeroll on a site that stole from him, he's dishonest?  Freerolls are now the only way left that some of us veteran players have to get a small fraction of our money back, as real krillrolls were killed over a year ago.

"All take, no rake" is our motto.

Come join our discussion in discord chat regarding this matter of funds misappropriation @ https://discord.gg/jJQEGjn

Yours truly,

Kook

I've commissioned a script to be written to find the specific discrepancies within the hand histories that will show specific hands effected by this bug AND corrupted hand histories, as to enable a player to request the proper hand history should a hand be corrupted. I will not be publically releasing the script.

Though I've personally asked and been denied my accounts' hand histories by SWC for no other reason besides it apparently being in the wrong format (sketchy sketchy), there are many players with their complete hand histories and I will be more than willing to run through players' hand histories and give them the hand numbers it spits out with the discrepancy. This wont show what is owed to players, just the hands effected by this specific bug and corrupted hand histories. I will obviously not disclose anyone's hands to other players, and will for the most part be doing this for free, unless I decide otherwise (looking at you, rungood).

The incessant non-answering of SWC support and their obvious incompetence or gross negligence, with intent or otherwise, has driven me and many other players to the point of absolute distrust. The purpose of this script is to be able to verify with a third party to get rid of the necessary trust in SWC we have had to endure up to this point and to put into quantitative terms this entire situation. To argue this is unnecessary is ridiculous at this point, and I do not trust the SWC at this point in time. The fact that SWC could be insolvent is a very real possibility.

We will know precisely what we are owed, and specifically where we are owed it.

Better start formatting full player hand histories, SWC support, as this is coming to a head and you are indebted to us in more ways than one.

To reiterate, there was a bug in which funds went missing from pots, so the winners of those hands were shorted money. This bug has happened on two separate occasions, once somewhere in 2015 until and undisclosed time, and once again sometime around April of 2017. For both instances players were not notified, SWC did not freeze traffic, they did not make a public statement regarding the issue, and never gave a specific timeframe of when it started or when a fix was implemented, and have not credited funds. Even to this day they email us back with non-answers and little information and withholding hand histories. This gross negligence and misappropriation of player funds is criminal in all sense of the word.

Regards,

~RUchamp