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Did anyone take back 3 btc

I didn't for sure! But I know that I saw someone in this thread that wrote that he did it.

No the only way to get some more back is trough the group action against KnC. 2 lawyers from Sweden and 1 from USA.
http://kncclassaction.com/



You realize if KNC goes bankrupt in the process you will lose your retainer ($1,500.00 ish USD) with these lawyers. You'd be better playing poker at a casino! Smiley

Have you been following the funding KNC is closing and following the company? They aren't going bankrupt very soon..


Well I've been hearing the opposite that they are merged now with another company and hope to control 40% of all bitcoin mining with their 1ckwh or whatever 16nm chip data halls...which is really gonna suck say in 2017 looking at knc with 40% of all bitcoin mining at that point..i will physically be ill on reading such someday (say it ain't so!)


Any reference for this mantra of 40% you are repeating over and over again, or just trolling? We need facts to make the right decisions when investing, not fantasy ramblings.

I hope you have enough knowledge to use a search engine and find an answer.

All your hopes answered;

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Sam+Cole+%2240%25%22

quite happy with KNC stuff , got 2 miners running at 3.5 ~ 3.9th yes it is not standard stuff so thats were most people failed here , and got frustrated.
Mining requires a lot of fine  tuning undervolting  to save power , getting better cooling replacing the beagle board with a more recent one , getting 2x1300 watt 80 gold PSU'S getting special connectors to not overheat the cables , its complex but when running and tuned you don't need to worry it does work.
But I am  afraid itś  to complex for most people here.


legendary
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Did anyone take back 3 btc

I didn't for sure! But I know that I saw someone in this thread that wrote that he did it.

No the only way to get some more back is trough the group action against KnC. 2 lawyers from Sweden and 1 from USA.
http://kncclassaction.com/



You realize if KNC goes bankrupt in the process you will lose your retainer ($1,500.00 ish USD) with these lawyers. You'd be better playing poker at a casino! Smiley

Have you been following the funding KNC is closing and following the company? They aren't going bankrupt very soon..


Well I've been hearing the opposite that they are merged now with another company and hope to control 40% of all bitcoin mining with their 1ckwh or whatever 16nm chip data halls...which is really gonna suck say in 2017 looking at knc with 40% of all bitcoin mining at that point..i will physically be ill on reading such someday (say it ain't so!)


Any reference for this mantra of 40% you are repeating over and over again, or just trolling? We need facts to make the right decisions when investing, not fantasy ramblings.

I hope you have enough knowledge to use a search engine and find an answer.

All your hopes answered;

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Sam+Cole+%2240%25%22

quite happy with KNC stuff , got 2 miners running at 3.5 ~ 3.9th yes it is not standard stuff so thats were most people failed here , and got frustrated.
Mining requires a lot of fine  tuning undervolting  to save power , getting better cooling replacing the beagle board with a more recent one , getting 2x1300 watt 80 gold PSU'S getting special connectors to not overheat the cables , its complex but when running and tuned you don't need to worry it does work.
But I am  afraid itś  to complex for most people here.

GA
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Did anyone take back 3 btc

I didn't for sure! But I know that I saw someone in this thread that wrote that he did it.

No the only way to get some more back is trough the group action against KnC. 2 lawyers from Sweden and 1 from USA.
http://kncclassaction.com/



You realize if KNC goes bankrupt in the process you will lose your retainer ($1,500.00 ish USD) with these lawyers. You'd be better playing poker at a casino! Smiley

Have you been following the funding KNC is closing and following the company? They aren't going bankrupt very soon..


Well I've been hearing the opposite that they are merged now with another company and hope to control 40% of all bitcoin mining with their 1ckwh or whatever 16nm chip data halls...which is really gonna suck say in 2017 looking at knc with 40% of all bitcoin mining at that point..i will physically be ill on reading such someday (say it ain't so!)


Any reference for this mantra of 40% you are repeating over and over again, or just trolling? We need facts to make the right decisions when investing, not fantasy ramblings.

I hope you have enough knowledge to use a search engine and find an answer.

All your hopes answered;

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Sam+Cole+%2240%25%22
newbie
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Did anyone take back 3 btc

I didn't for sure! But I know that I saw someone in this thread that wrote that he did it.

No the only way to get some more back is trough the group action against KnC. 2 lawyers from Sweden and 1 from USA.
http://kncclassaction.com/



You realize if KNC goes bankrupt in the process you will lose your retainer ($1,500.00 ish USD) with these lawyers. You'd be better playing poker at a casino! Smiley

Have you been following the funding KNC is closing and following the company? They aren't going bankrupt very soon..


Well I've been hearing the opposite that they are merged now with another company and hope to control 40% of all bitcoin mining with their 1ckwh or whatever 16nm chip data halls...which is really gonna suck say in 2017 looking at knc with 40% of all bitcoin mining at that point..i will physically be ill on reading such someday (say it ain't so!)


Any reference for this mantra of 40% you are repeating over and over again, or just trolling? We need facts to make the right decisions when investing, not fantasy ramblings.

I hope you have enough knowledge to use a search engine and find an answer.
legendary
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Did anyone take back 3 btc

I didn't for sure! But I know that I saw someone in this thread that wrote that he did it.

No the only way to get some more back is trough the group action against KnC. 2 lawyers from Sweden and 1 from USA.
http://kncclassaction.com/



You realize if KNC goes bankrupt in the process you will lose your retainer ($1,500.00 ish USD) with these lawyers. You'd be better playing poker at a casino! Smiley

Have you been following the funding KNC is closing and following the company? They aren't going bankrupt very soon..


Well I've been hearing the opposite that they are merged now with another company and hope to control 40% of all bitcoin mining with their 1ckwh or whatever 16nm chip data halls...which is really gonna suck say in 2017 looking at knc with 40% of all bitcoin mining at that point..i will physically be ill on reading such someday (say it ain't so!)


Any reference for this mantra of 40% you are repeating over and over again, or just trolling? We need facts to make the right decisions when investing, not fantasy ramblings.
I think they are trollers... did not see anything sabstantial.
GA
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Did anyone take back 3 btc

I didn't for sure! But I know that I saw someone in this thread that wrote that he did it.

No the only way to get some more back is trough the group action against KnC. 2 lawyers from Sweden and 1 from USA.
http://kncclassaction.com/



You realize if KNC goes bankrupt in the process you will lose your retainer ($1,500.00 ish USD) with these lawyers. You'd be better playing poker at a casino! Smiley

Have you been following the funding KNC is closing and following the company? They aren't going bankrupt very soon..


Well I've been hearing the opposite that they are merged now with another company and hope to control 40% of all bitcoin mining with their 1ckwh or whatever 16nm chip data halls...which is really gonna suck say in 2017 looking at knc with 40% of all bitcoin mining at that point..i will physically be ill on reading such someday (say it ain't so!)


Any reference for this mantra of 40% you are repeating over and over again, or just trolling? We need facts to make the right decisions when investing, not fantasy ramblings.
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I have a corsair AX760 and a CS 750 which I was going to give a cube each - but the damn Y cables won't fit. That's what I'm trying to find out, if I can make them fit will they blow something up !



That connector is for PCIe graphics cards and is pin identical to the '6+2' separate connectors.  The Y cable for Neptunes/Titans are only looking for a 6pin PCIe cable and not the full 8pin version.  Check the rest of the Corsair PSUs for the 6+2 cables and you can use the 6pin section on the Y adapters.  Just make sure you are not chaining the connectors to the Y adapter.  One single power cable to each leg of the Y adapter, otherwise you will melt something.

Thanks,

I don't have the KnC Y connectors, I have shakmods cables that are made for the EVGA G2s. The PSU end of the cables doesn't fit a corsair PSU however, that's what I was asking about.

It appears that the pin out may be different on the Corsairs compared to the EVGAs so I will have to get new cables for the Corsairs.

BTW, all the PSUs I'm using are gold except the AX760 which is platinum.

http://shakmods.com/shop&#!/16-Awg-Gauge-Y-Splitter-PSU-Cables-Titan-Neptune-mining-cables-Pci-e-GPU/p/38332678/category=3316088





Ah, I see.  Those are direct connects and they will have different pinouts usually depending on PSU brand.  You will have to get cables specific for the Corsairs if you have ones for EVGAs.



corsair ax760 set on ebay....I think that is what you said you had

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Corsair-AX760-AX860-ATX-EPS-Modular-80-PLUS-Platinum-Power-Supply-Power-Cables-/181748043821?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a5107102d


not sure if these work on the CS750 but I assume this is also a Corsair PSU....if so....then just get some Y cables from Cablez and you are set imho

kinda a pain...but it is what it is.. with your PSU situation.....good to see it resolved...but you really really do need the Y connectors or will probably suffer some burn out
imho ......they do make a big difference



legendary
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Ah, I see.  Those are direct connects and they will have different pinouts usually depending on PSU brand.  You will have to get cables specific for the Corsairs if you have ones for EVGAs.
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I have a corsair AX760 and a CS 750 which I was going to give a cube each - but the damn Y cables won't fit. That's what I'm trying to find out, if I can make them fit will they blow something up !
http://headru.sh/files/Connector_mbpow_pcie_8pin2.png


That connector is for PCIe graphics cards and is pin identical to the '6+2' separate connectors.  The Y cable for Neptunes/Titans are only looking for a 6pin PCIe cable and not the full 8pin version.  Check the rest of the Corsair PSUs for the 6+2 cables and you can use the 6pin section on the Y adapters.  Just make sure you are not chaining the connectors to the Y adapter.  One single power cable to each leg of the Y adapter, otherwise you will melt something.

Thanks,

I don't have the KnC Y connectors, I have shakmods cables that are made for the EVGA G2s. The PSU end of the cables doesn't fit a corsair PSU however, that's what I was asking about.

It appears that the pin out may be different on the Corsairs compared to the EVGAs so I will have to get new cables for the Corsairs.

BTW, all the PSUs I'm using are gold except the AX760 which is platinum.

http://shakmods.com/shop&#!/16-Awg-Gauge-Y-Splitter-PSU-Cables-Titan-Neptune-mining-cables-Pci-e-GPU/p/38332678/category=3316088
legendary
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I have a corsair AX760 and a CS 750 which I was going to give a cube each - but the damn Y cables won't fit. That's what I'm trying to find out, if I can make them fit will they blow something up !



That connector is for PCIe graphics cards and is pin identical to the '6+2' separate connectors.  The Y cable for Neptunes/Titans are only looking for a 6pin PCIe cable and not the full 8pin version.  Check the rest of the Corsair PSUs for the 6+2 cables and you can use the 6pin section on the Y adapters.  Just make sure you are not chaining the connectors to the Y adapter.  One single power cable to each leg of the Y adapter, otherwise you will melt something.
legendary
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Hi, there,
I'm another idiot who bought a 2nd hand Titan !

Was running fine for 2 days, needed restarting a few times to get dies to work (they "die" after around 8 hours or so, but always seem to come back after a power down).

Anyhoo, I did a power down this morning and it came back up but one die was still running only 2A so I dropped the voltage and restarted again.

Now nothing comes back up at all. No web interface, no ssh.

I have disconnected everything and reconnected. Nothing. I have no LEDs showing on the daughter board where there previously was 3. The controller appears to boot (red LED on and the green flashes a few time, as does the ethernet LED). But still no net access to the controller.

I am currently downloading the 2.0 image to try flashing a new sdcard, but I thought I'd ask if there is anything else I should be checking.

Also, I have the Titan running on 2 EVGA 750 G2 PSUs. Are these sufficient ? My killawatt shows the power draw is around 1500W at the wall.

I was going to use two corsair 750W PSUs to power a cube each, but the Y cables  I have on the G2s don't fit the Corsair sockets. There is a plastic bridge between 2 pins that prevents them going in. Would it be safe to cut that bridge, as I assume the pin outs should be identical for PCIe ?

TIA
you need a 80 gold certified pusu for this if you did not have that you will blow your PSU and your miner!
legendary
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I guess that the best way is if we find a solution with KnC before a trial. For an example, I don't think 3 btc is a fair amount instead of a Titan batch 2. If we find an other solution where they pay some more, I/we might agree with that. In that case, we don't need to go to trial. But if I know KnC enough I don't think they will pay a satoshi more then 3 btc.
If my bound is $8000 and if I'll get $4000 it's still better then nothing. But as you said it's no guarantee that we get the amount we request.

If they put them self into bankrupt, may so be. Then you loose the bound of $1000. If you don't have thoose money or if that amount is too big for you. Perhaps this isn't for you.
And ofc there are other things that could happen. But sometime you need to do some things that isn't what you calculated with. That's life I guess! Smiley Even if I only get $100 back, I will tell you for sure that it was worth it! Because I now that I at least did what I could.

Dude. There's no point wasting your time explaining things over and over to the same people in this thread. They just will not listen. Its like the Alpha-T thread all over again. Some people will always have an excuse to bend over and take it, others will fight no matter what. That's just the way the world is.  Notlist3d keeps going on about the same shit over and over despite being told it is illegal in Sweden to take no win no fee cases. Its also been explained that the court decides what reasonable costs of litigation are so KNC will be liable for the extra cost if they hire 50 lawyers at 50k each.

Instead of doing actual research, or listening to people that have, the same people keep coming here posting the same nonsense over and over. Leave them to it. If they are happy to have KNC shit on them and do nothing about it, it's really not up to you or anyone else to convince them otherwise.

I'm going back to lurking, I wasted far too much time on the Alpha thread and this thread seems to be going the same way.

No one would know if KNC would file for bankruptcy during the court case so your claim to "it's illegal in Sweden to take no win cases" is FALSE!


First of all, that's not what he's saying. Second of all, it is illegal in sweden to take no win cases. A lawyer who deliberately tries to push a case with no legitimate legal grounds through the legal system risks being fined.
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I guess that the best way is if we find a solution with KnC before a trial. For an example, I don't think 3 btc is a fair amount instead of a Titan batch 2. If we find an other solution where they pay some more, I/we might agree with that. In that case, we don't need to go to trial. But if I know KnC enough I don't think they will pay a satoshi more then 3 btc.
If my bound is $8000 and if I'll get $4000 it's still better then nothing. But as you said it's no guarantee that we get the amount we request.

If they put them self into bankrupt, may so be. Then you loose the bound of $1000. If you don't have thoose money or if that amount is too big for you. Perhaps this isn't for you.
And ofc there are other things that could happen. But sometime you need to do some things that isn't what you calculated with. That's life I guess! Smiley Even if I only get $100 back, I will tell you for sure that it was worth it! Because I now that I at least did what I could.

Dude. There's no point wasting your time explaining things over and over to the same people in this thread. They just will not listen. Its like the Alpha-T thread all over again. Some people will always have an excuse to bend over and take it, others will fight no matter what. That's just the way the world is.  Notlist3d keeps going on about the same shit over and over despite being told it is illegal in Sweden to take no win no fee cases. Its also been explained that the court decides what reasonable costs of litigation are so KNC will be liable for the extra cost if they hire 50 lawyers at 50k each.

Instead of doing actual research, or listening to people that have, the same people keep coming here posting the same nonsense over and over. Leave them to it. If they are happy to have KNC shit on them and do nothing about it, it's really not up to you or anyone else to convince them otherwise.

I'm going back to lurking, I wasted far too much time on the Alpha thread and this thread seems to be going the same way.

No one would know if KNC would file for bankruptcy during the court case so your claim to "it's illegal in Sweden to take no win cases" is FALSE!
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Thanks :-)

I have a corsair AX760 and a CS 750 which I was going to give a cube each - but the damn Y cables won't fit. That's what I'm trying to find out, if I can make them fit will they blow something up !

Since the reflash of the SDcard things are going ok




just sent you a pm confused on what you need tweaked on the above
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Thanks :-)

I have a corsair AX760 and a CS 750 which I was going to give a cube each - but the damn Y cables won't fit. That's what I'm trying to find out, if I can make them fit will they blow something up !
http://headru.sh/files/Connector_mbpow_pcie_8pin2.png

Since the reflash of the SDcard things are going ok

http://headru.sh/files/Screenshot-pi-raspberrypi.png
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ref my previous post https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11399571

I flashed the image to the new card and thank dog the titan came back to life !
I can start breathing again now.

I would still like to put the cubes on individual PSUs though, so if anybody has knowledge of the cabling and pin outs for EVGAs and Corsairs I would appreciate a tip.

I guess I could use a meter on the cables and test that all inputs and outputs correspond, but a guru would be better, plus I might make a v costly error !

Thanks

for the corsairs the Y cables I got from Sweden (used on the 2nd Titan) the usual ....single end goes to the PSU.....the 2 leads from the 2 slots on the psu goes to 1 of 2 ends on the
Y cable.....and those two blend into the 1 that goes into the cubes..that is how it works on my corsair ...assuming you got the 16awg leads with the corsair? model?

as to EVGA's if they are big enough beasts you can do what I did to save getting a 4th psu for the 2 titans in the below quote in your other msgs

y cable setup using some of the knc Y cables (from your questions in the 2nd part of this msg)



my setup of the 2 units on imgur

http://lostgonzo.imgur.com/


whatever a lot of this depends on if you copy what I did you have a big enough and 2 of them PSU's over 1200w ..and again just using the 750w on the 2 cubes and controller remaining

see below reply and my 6 cube and 2 cube arrangement (saved my buying a 4th PSU for the 2 titans)







Hi, there,
I'm another idiot who bought a 2nd hand Titan !

Was running fine for 2 days, needed restarting a few times to get dies to work (they "die" after around 8 hours or so, but always seem to come back after a power down).

Anyhoo, I did a power down this morning and it came back up but one die was still running only 2A so I dropped the voltage and restarted again.

Now nothing comes back up at all. No web interface, no ssh.

I have disconnected everything and reconnected. Nothing. I have no LEDs showing on the daughter board where there previously was 3. The controller appears to boot (red LED on and the green flashes a few time, as does the ethernet LED). But still no net access to the controller.

I am currently downloading the 2.0 image to try flashing a new sdcard, but I thought I'd ask if there is anything else I should be checking.

Also, I have the Titan running on 2 EVGA 750 G2 PSUs. Are these sufficient ? My killawatt shows the power draw is around 1500W at the wall.

I was going to use two corsair 750W PSUs to power a cube each, but the Y cables  I have on the G2s don't fit the Corsair sockets. There is a plastic bridge between 2 pins that prevents them going in. Would it be safe to cut that bridge, as I assume the pin outs should be identical for PCIe ?

TIA

I too got a 2nd titan (it may ROI in 2 more months ..or 4.5 months total) unlike my no roi no refund 1st batch orig 2 dead die unit....sigh...but I have a SLIM hope I can use
this to maybe just maybe squeak ROI out of it with electricity ..but it is gonna be damn close

If the dies can't come back it has been my experience they muck things up a bit 10mh to 15mh less ...so that when away when I turned them off (2 dead dies 1 each on 2 cubes)

As to the 750w above

I have 6 cubes (3 each) all with full working Dies running full out on 2 corsair 1200i psu's each on a separate circuit (in bsmt I can do this easily) 20 amp 220v w/o issues

I also used the surge protector with them below...it comes with the euro 220v plug from the titan plug to the surge protector you have to get the 220v cable you need
for your version of the 220v plug you are plugging these puppies into..again me I have 1 each on the 2 circuits (3 total for both titan(S) the 6 cube and 2 cube)

it has saved my butt on brownout I mean the really weird kind that flicker like 15x in a 2min period the ugly type THREE TIMES so far ..so I swear by my arrangement
here is a link .....if you have 1 titan complete both psu's on 1 circuit and not paranoid like me ..I'd think that one would be fine

http://www.amazon.com/Tripp-Lite-EURO-4-International-Protector/dp/B00006HZ4M/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1431864095&sr=8-1&keywords=tripplite+euro

so anyway ....depending on your circuit arrangement the 6cubes work fine on the 1200i corsairs

as to your 750 watt question ...I have 2 cubes on a Seasonic 860w (the 2 cubes with the 2 bad dies 1 to a cube set to off) I THINK 750w with y connectors will work
but others on here should jump on and correct me if that is 'light' on the psu dept for 2 titan cubes.

s ..but if you have like a 1200i or 1300w couple of PSU's ..i think you said EVGA but unsure of the size....you could play my game and use 2 of those and a 750w on the side
with the other controller for the last 2 cubes....saved me from having to get another 1200i corsair...I can get by fine with the 3cubes on 2 corsair 1200i's and 1 860w seasonic
for the controller and last 2 cubes

anyway good luck hopefully you have enough of the proper psu's about from a previous miner to pull this off w/o any expense

oh and by the way good to see flashing the SD worked..I was kinda wondering...flashing a new SD is extreme but it seems to work ok....was so bad with me that when
(ah no longer) knc made updates I ALWAYS just flashed a new SD so I had the old SD I could pop in as a catastrophic failurre..yep ..what happened to you would happen to me
so stopped the auto update .always flashed and viola when it dorked up (and it did) i could toss the old SD back in ..this all is likely moot 2.00 is the last SD image that KNC
will release imho...not sure if others are working on this open source or not ...but anyway I"d flash a spare thou just so you have something to toss in quick if you have a power
reboot and it goes funky again.....good to see it took thou....





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ref my previous post https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11399571

I flashed the image to the new card and thank dog the titan came back to life !
I can start breathing again now.

I would still like to put the cubes on individual PSUs though, so if anybody has knowledge of the cabling and pin outs for EVGAs and Corsairs I would appreciate a tip.

I guess I could use a meter on the cables and test that all inputs and outputs correspond, but a guru would be better, plus I might make a v costly error !

Thanks
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They will only lose a lot of money IMO , they expect a US style court system but in sweden things are quite diffrent....
a case will take at least 5 years for example.


Yeah, and you are the expert on the legal matter in Sweden.. get lost fuckface, the case is on, and there is no way for KNC to get out of it cheaply..
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Hi, there,
I'm another idiot who bought a 2nd hand Titan !

Was running fine for 2 days, needed restarting a few times to get dies to work (they "die" after around 8 hours or so, but always seem to come back after a power down).

Anyhoo, I did a power down this morning and it came back up but one die was still running only 2A so I dropped the voltage and restarted again.

Now nothing comes back up at all. No web interface, no ssh.

I have disconnected everything and reconnected. Nothing. I have no LEDs showing on the daughter board where there previously was 3. The controller appears to boot (red LED on and the green flashes a few time, as does the ethernet LED). But still no net access to the controller.

I am currently downloading the 2.0 image to try flashing a new sdcard, but I thought I'd ask if there is anything else I should be checking.

Also, I have the Titan running on 2 EVGA 750 G2 PSUs. Are these sufficient ? My killawatt shows the power draw is around 1500W at the wall.

I was going to use two corsair 750W PSUs to power a cube each, but the Y cables  I have on the G2s don't fit the Corsair sockets. There is a plastic bridge between 2 pins that prevents them going in. Would it be safe to cut that bridge, as I assume the pin outs should be identical for PCIe ?

TIA
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I guess that the best way is if we find a solution with KnC before a trial. For an example, I don't think 3 btc is a fair amount instead of a Titan batch 2. If we find an other solution where they pay some more, I/we might agree with that. In that case, we don't need to go to trial. But if I know KnC enough I don't think they will pay a satoshi more then 3 btc.
If my bound is $8000 and if I'll get $4000 it's still better then nothing. But as you said it's no guarantee that we get the amount we request.

If they put them self into bankrupt, may so be. Then you loose the bound of $1000. If you don't have thoose money or if that amount is too big for you. Perhaps this isn't for you.
And ofc there are other things that could happen. But sometime you need to do some things that isn't what you calculated with. That's life I guess! Smiley Even if I only get $100 back, I will tell you for sure that it was worth it! Because I now that I at least did what I could.

Dude. There's no point wasting your time explaining things over and over to the same people in this thread. They just will not listen. Its like the Alpha-T thread all over again. Some people will always have an excuse to bend over and take it, others will fight no matter what. That's just the way the world is.  Notlist3d keeps going on about the same shit over and over despite being told it is illegal in Sweden to take no win no fee cases. Its also been explained that the court decides what reasonable costs of litigation are so KNC will be liable for the extra cost if they hire 50 lawyers at 50k each.

Instead of doing actual research, or listening to people that have, the same people keep coming here posting the same nonsense over and over. Leave them to it. If they are happy to have KNC shit on them and do nothing about it, it's really not up to you or anyone else to convince them otherwise.

I'm going back to lurking, I wasted far too much time on the Alpha thread and this thread seems to be going the same way.

I am not trying to cause any ill-will.  I just thought it could be a worse case then what was mentioned.   I am not a Swedish lawyer.  I will stay out of this thread as it seems tensions are high and my intent again was not ill-will.

They will only lose a lot of money IMO , they expect a US style court system but in sweden things are quite diffrent....
a case will take at least 5 years for example.
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