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Quote from: soy on October 22, 2013, 12:19:16 PM

I hear the figure 30PH/s tossed around for this coming January. Then to stay current we need to buy 10x the hashing power we have now. Ouch.

ITs that kind of twisted reasoning that may lead to 30PH in January. And will then cause people like you to go out and buy 10x more yet again, ignoring the fact mining is a zero sum game. When will people understand buying mining gear simply isnt going to be profitable for the next 6 months at least, and if/when it ever becomes profitable again, it will be with razor thin margins for those with the cheapest electricity.

That said, 30PH in January is likely exaggerated, unless Im underestimating the number of HF preorders and their manufacturing capability.

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Quote from: Phoenix1969 on October 22, 2013, 12:22:06 PM

more likely is BTC going to 2000usd!

BTC value ≠ difficulty, although that seems to be the trend. Anyhow, I digress. We need to wait till the market stabilizes, it's too risky to buy/pre-order any ASIC right now. I am almost certain any ASIC bought today, will see very little to no ROI by the time the device gets to your door and/or after you mine back the initial investment cost.

Forget about BFL's Monarch, given their track record.. it won't be released till Q3/Q4 of 2014. By then, it's like having a Jalapeno of today... or worst.

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If the powers that be go to adversely effect BTC, aside from having Washington DC make it outright illegal, they'll target BTC stability, pump and dump punishing investors again.

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Quote from: soy on October 22, 2013, 12:19:16 PM

I hear the figure 30PH/s tossed around for this coming January. Then to stay current we need to buy 10x the hashing power we have now. Ouch.

more likely is BTC going to 2000usd!

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I hear the figure 30PH/s tossed around for this coming January. Then to stay current we need to buy 10x the hashing power we have now. Ouch.

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Wait 'till BTC hits forex..... and people get to invest in BTC via IRA.... oooh boy..

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Quote from: Syke on October 22, 2013, 10:59:54 AM

What happened to daily shipping updates? I need to know how much to cry.

I can help you there. I asked about the condition of my order as I saw other orders, which were paid after mine being shipped and delivered. The response came an hour ago:

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Hi,

We are aware that there is also a delay with the hosting compared with the shipping orders, but the engineers are working to get your miner up as soon as possible.

Thanks
Emilia

Interestingly this is a follow-up reply to another enquiry of mine, which I sent a few days back. Both enquiries were written in Norwegian. The first reply came from Carl in Swedish, while this last reply came in English.

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Quote from: DPoS on October 22, 2013, 11:57:24 AM

Quote from: soy on October 22, 2013, 11:36:02 AM

Yep, probably won't make back the BTC equiv. of the miner's purchase. Good thing the value of BTC is going up. Of course it seems clear that buying BTC is the more profitable choice. As long as the value of BTC depends on Wall Street not developing a sense of ethics, BTC will rise.

with the stakes raised, there are more 'cost basis' tricks being done now... if you aren't changing your game you get left behind

in other words, many people you may be comparing yourself to have a lower bar for ROI than just BTC in BTC out

I absolutely agree. I look at the hit on my IRA this year which includes the spring crash, some bills, spending on mining gear, and then look at my total BTC*$value just to not feel so bad.

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Quote from: soy on October 22, 2013, 11:36:02 AM

Yep, probably won't make back the BTC equiv. of the miner's purchase. Good thing the value of BTC is going up. Of course it seems clear that buying BTC is the more profitable choice. As long as the value of BTC depends on Wall Street not developing a sense of ethics, BTC will rise.

Probably an unwise observation. Wall Street might say, humm, if BTC price is going to be used as an indication of our being ethical or not, then there are some tricks we can use to adversely effect the stability/value of BTC.

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Quote from: soy on October 22, 2013, 11:36:02 AM

Yep, probably won't make back the BTC equiv. of the miner's purchase. Good thing the value of BTC is going up. Of course it seems clear that buying BTC is the more profitable choice. As long as the value of BTC depends on Wall Street not developing a sense of ethics, BTC will rise.

with the stakes raised, there are more 'cost basis' tricks being done now... if you aren't changing your game you get left behind

in other words, many people you may be comparing yourself to have a lower bar for ROI than just BTC in BTC out

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Yep, probably won't make back the BTC equiv. of the miner's purchase. Good thing the value of BTC is going up. Of course it seems clear that buying BTC is the more profitable choice. As long as the value of BTC depends on Wall Street not developing a sense of ethics, BTC will rise.

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Quote from: Syke on October 22, 2013, 10:59:54 AM

What happened to daily shipping updates? I need to know how much to cry.

Don't cry. GOt mine this afternoon and she's running like a dream 30% faster than I paid for and BTC is nice and high. I'm thinking it's better to get a rig with all the bugs ironed out and have to play catch up in pretty favourable conditions than early and struggle or even have the thing burn out.

If you paid with BTC ..well that's going to make it different, but the exchange rate now has to help otherwise. They have to be close to the end now as far as delivery is concerned.

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Quote from: mgio on October 22, 2013, 10:59:26 AM

Why does the web interface report my KNC hashrate at an average of 508 GH/s but Eligius's (mining pool) stats page say the average is only 484 GH/s.

Why the discrepancy? These numbers match for my Avalon and my other miners.

accepted by pool /vs/ smoke & mirrors of knc's version of CGminer... Grin

mornin' all

oooh, Hellyeah!

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Quote from: FiatKiller on October 22, 2013, 08:51:03 AM

Interesting... applied 9.6.1 and it still shows 9.6 and initially everything was worse than 9.6

So I applied enablecores again and too early to say for sure, but looking very good.

I've also noticed an interesting phenomena of "bad boots". Sometimes after a restart things are not up to par, but if you keep trying you will hit a "golden boot" that works much better. I recommend for people having trouble to try this!

Never seen this much speed before, but too early to say how it will stabilize:

it still showed 0.96, because you didnt clear your browser cashe after you flashed.
Letting the unit burn in for 24-48 hours with 0.96 will produce better results than tweaking units right away before you even have base numbers....
just sayin', because it happened to many units

example...

the 150Gh drop at the end is where we reflashed

but yes.. have noticed the "Golden boot phenomena" early in meddling... usually after a cold start... warm reboots do almost nothing for me.

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Quote from: Altomesi on October 22, 2013, 07:54:33 AM

I noticed something interesting with my Mercury that I was hoping others could confirm. My miner has been running at about 120GHs with 1 core disabled pulling 117W of power at about 36C per bertmod. I stuck the miner in the Garage yesterday since it's getting cold here now and this morning I check and it's running about 138Ghs pulling 109W of power at about 27C and only 1 core disabled. I've read several posts on here from 'ormoma that the temperatures don't matter but this clearly shows that a 10C drop in ambient temperature gave me a significant boost in hashing power that has been sustained ever since the temperature change not to mention the lower power draw...

honestly, some of the problems in here are caused by too much fiddling. Example : re-flashing An Aussie Jupiter with .096 last night... seemingly slowed the rate to around 400 from 550!... BUT... slowly, gh by gh, overnight, it climbed up all the way back to 550
it did this on original setup as well.

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What happened to daily shipping updates? I need to know how much to cry.

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Why does the web interface report my KNC hashrate at an average of 508 GH/s but Eligius's (mining pool) stats page say the average is only 484 GH/s.

Why the discrepancy? These numbers match for my Avalon and my other miners.

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Quote from: Phoenix1969 on October 22, 2013, 10:51:34 AM

Quote from: btcusr on October 22, 2013, 03:39:49 AM

Just wanted to check whether everyone received your miners (100 BTC/Jupiter) so far, able to earn at least 75 BTC/Jupiter? Cool

Because next week, November miners due for release which are only 25 BTC/Jupiter.

So, what's the moral of the story? Huh

The moral is.... your math sucks. Btc is 200 now, so takes 35 BTC to make 7 grand, not 75...lol

doesn't matter about BTC/$ value. I paid 86BTC for Jupiter, VAT and shipping and never will mine my 86BTC back.

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Quote from: pletharoe on October 22, 2013, 08:47:35 AM

Quote from: c1010010 on October 22, 2013, 07:56:04 AM

So, talk performance. How are they? Not posted perf, but actual.

My Jupiter has been running for just under 23 hours. cgminer shows an average of 547Gh/s and 2.5% error rate. That translates to a pool speed of 533GH/s.

Bertmod (monitoring software) says the chips are taking 480 watts. Plus the power for the beaglebone.

Good data point, thanks.

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Quote from: Altomesi on October 22, 2013, 07:54:33 AM

I noticed something interesting with my Mercury that I was hoping others could confirm. My miner has been running at about 120GHs with 1 core disabled pulling 117W of power at about 36C per bertmod. I stuck the miner in the Garage yesterday since it's getting cold here now and this morning I check and it's running about 138Ghs pulling 109W of power at about 27C and only 1 core disabled. I've read several posts on here from 'ormoma that the temperatures don't matter but this clearly shows that a 10C drop in ambient temperature gave me a significant boost in hashing power that has been sustained ever since the temperature change not to mention the lower power draw...

they matter. basta..same here with 2 miners

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