Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com - page 1432.

de_ixie

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Quote from: Rampion on October 09, 2013, 10:27:30 AM

Bitcoinorama: so, there are still around 1,000 units to be shipped?

Wow, that's 500TH/s to be added yet to the network, add to that the competitors machines... Boy, ROI is going to be hard, but nevertheless that's not KnC's fault, its just as it is.

As I said many times, I expect a 2014 similar to 2012 in terms of hashrate, meaning pleateau and then decline because of unprofitability... That if BTC exchange rate is stable (as it happened in 2012), if it grows obviously the story changes.

Anyhow, good job Bitcoinorama. Hope you could finally found yourself a position inside KnC, maybe you could be their "josh", but much nicer and way more reasonable Cheesy

I would say only 500TH/s -I expected much more - this is good news in imho Cool

edgar

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Quote from: Bitcoinorama on October 09, 2013, 10:22:38 AM

Quote from: lemonte on October 09, 2013, 10:03:58 AM

Hi O'rama, I know there are more pressing matters to be discussed, but do you happen to know when resellers who managed the 10 units are going to get their miners?

Also, do you know what is going on with the reseller portal?

From what I understand, as someone asked me this at the conference, or words about; basically you get your miner at the point at which your 10th miner sale ships un-refunded. So if you sold 10 Jupiters in the October batch, you get your miner at the point at which the 10th Jupiter is sent. So in essence it is part of the October shipment. If your tenth is a November sale, then you get yours at such point your 10th sale leaves for shipment.

For sure though you have to sell 10 of any one type, so 10 Jupiters= 1 Jupiter free, 10 Saturns = 1 Saturn, 10 Mercuries etc. It's not a combo of 10 various types.

I don't think anyone managed to sell 10 boxes for an October shipment, other than that that bought 10+, and that's not many.

I'm no expert on this though, as I haven't been part of the affiliate thing, even though i've probably helped shift a few, or most. Sad

Funny thing, when i mentioned this to you previously, you said you were NOT helping them at all and 'merely expressing opinions'

Had it not been for you personally over enthusiastically vouching for them i would NOT have paid for my order.

i am over it now, but i was not impressed by your conduct in previous times.

i like you more now, the new, more honest bitcoinorama.... it would seem travel & expenses bring out the better in you.

now back to packing!!

arousedrhino

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Quote from: cognoscente on October 09, 2013, 09:37:58 AM

Send it back just to be safe.

You wish!

I emailed them about it, if they say it will void the warranty then I will run it as received until it breaks.

nOObStyleX

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Quote from: 600watt on October 09, 2013, 08:50:10 AM

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Hi,

We see your company is unable to fill its obligations. We can not accept change of delivery time without price compensation. You know very well how this month is important for the recovery of investment.
We do not trust your company anymore.

- we’ve done business based on September delivery
- your company lied about delivery and that it committed fraud
- your company illegally changed the delivery date without our agreement and without any compensation
- now your company is illegally holding money of our company

We ask for an immediate refund.

We are ready to publish everything and take any legal action with other companies in the same situation.

Thanks

jesus christ... delivering a few days later than communicated is not lying. an definitly not a fraud. it is not illegal to be a few days late.
when you pre-ordered you knew that you were purchasing a product that did not exist at all, not even a prototype. being a few days late after a production period of 4 months is nothing. any judge will laugh at you.

the only reasonable sentence i see is you asking for a refund. they should do that to keep you from hyperventilating.

disclaimer: i have ordered several jupiters with knc hosting and i am not amused they are still not mining. but accusations of lying and fraud and threatening with legal action is absurd.

Sorry, i see how stupid you are. You do not know nothing about B2B business and about law in EU for companies.
BTW in my country is it criminal offense and police can block bank account for it. Next thing is company insolvency. For us KNC failed with September delivery. We did business based on September delivery. We do not accept changes and we want price compensation or refund.
I understand for fanboy it's hard to understand, because we are not sponsors. We are did not build company what need money theirs costumers and not to fulfill the terms. We must hard work to make money. We also do not live dreams about get rich by KNC. We only protect our moneys and investment based on September delivery where KNC failed. Next, no one us contact of this situation, no one wanted to solve, they only changed date of delivery. We have never seen such behavior. For us it is unacceptable. It is reason why do not want more do business with KNC. When we failure in business, we have to pay. As you can talk sheep what knows nothing about their rights. But it's your problem not our.

Rampion

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Bitcoinorama: so, there are still around 1,000 units to be shipped?

Wow, that's 500TH/s to be added yet to the network, add to that the competitors machines... Boy, ROI is going to be hard, but nevertheless that's not KnC's fault, its just as it is.

As I said many times, I expect a 2014 similar to 2012 in terms of hashrate, meaning pleateau and then decline because of unprofitability... That if BTC exchange rate is stable (as it happened in 2012), if it grows obviously the story changes.

Anyhow, good job Bitcoinorama. Hope you could finally found yourself a position inside KnC, maybe you could be their "josh", but much nicer and way more reasonable Cheesy

lemonte

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Quote from: Bitcoinorama on October 09, 2013, 10:22:38 AM

Quote from: lemonte on October 09, 2013, 10:03:58 AM

Hi O'rama, I know there are more pressing matters to be discussed, but do you happen to know when resellers who managed the 10 units are going to get their miners?

Also, do you know what is going on with the reseller portal?

From what I understand, as someone asked me this at the conference, or words about; basically you get your miner at the point at which your 10th miner sale ships un-refunded. So if you sold 10 Jupiters in the October batch, you get your miner at the point at which the 10th Jupiter is sent. So in essence it is part of the October shipment. If your tenth is a November sale, then you get yours at such point your 10th sale leaves for shipment.

For sure though you have to sell 10 of any one type, so 10 Jupiters= 1 Jupiter free, 10 Saturns = 1 Saturn, 10 Mercuries etc. It's not a combo of 10 various types.

I don't think anyone managed to sell 10 boxes for an October shipment, other than that that bought 10+, and that's not many.

I'm no expert on this though, as I haven't been part of the affiliate thing, even though i've probably helped shift a few, or most. Sad

Thanks for the update, I would be surprised if anyone had managed to achieve 10 in the Oct shipment, I am not at 10 of any 1 unit by the way, not even close! The only person I know who has sold 10 is Bargraphics.

dhenson

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Quote from: Bitcoinorama on October 09, 2013, 09:43:54 AM

Yes there are freshly generated coins entering the wallet the refunds came from. That's not a covert mining farm minting coins to refund. That's your hosted devices up, and running. Hosting is live. The issue is configuring the API to your accounts and that is being sorted now. So those minted coins, approx. 175 were put towards the coins creditied. However the total credited will now equal 380 BTC today, so that's 205BTC paid from KnC themselves in addition to what's been generated. There a few additional coins to credit today as there was a mix-up with some guys in possession of multiple miners that were overlooked by mistake and that's being rectified. Hopefully you will be able to access your accounts very soon, but the pool works. The fact is each board has an individual owner and that owner has to be able to configure certain aspects of each board, choice of pool etc. You are therefore not given a proportional 'virtual' share of what's hosted, but actual physical and configurable boards located in your own physical space in the hosting center; i.e. your own board(s), and thus these need to be individually assigned, and that is considerably more laborious than originally expected.

Why don't they configure the miners to point to the pool/addresses configured in the account while we wait for the software/routing to be resolved? They had to configure them somewhere, it just doesn't make sense given the information provided that they would point them all to their own pool account when it would have been just as easy to use our configuration and avoid the whole refund issue entirely.

whisper

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Learn to go against your mind

Yes that core

here is with hashrate sorry http://imgur.com/uxz6pu1

Bitcoinorama

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Quote from: lemonte on October 09, 2013, 10:03:58 AM

Hi O'rama, I know there are more pressing matters to be discussed, but do you happen to know when resellers who managed the 10 units are going to get their miners?

Also, do you know what is going on with the reseller portal?

From what I understand, as someone asked me this at the conference, or words about; basically you get your miner at the point at which your 10th miner sale ships un-refunded. So if you sold 10 Jupiters in the October batch, you get your miner at the point at which the 10th Jupiter is sent. So in essence it is part of the October shipment. If your tenth is a November sale, then you get yours at such point your 10th sale leaves for shipment.

For sure though you have to sell 10 of any one type, so 10 Jupiters= 1 Jupiter free, 10 Saturns = 1 Saturn, 10 Mercuries etc. It's not a combo of 10 various types.

I don't think anyone managed to sell 10 boxes for an October shipment, other than that that bought 10+, and that's not many.

I'm no expert on this though, as I haven't been part of the affiliate thing, even though i've probably helped shift a few, or most. Sad

ImI

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Quote from: DeathAndTaxes on October 09, 2013, 10:15:08 AM

Quote from: whisper on October 09, 2013, 10:12:30 AM

Quote from: DeathAndTaxes on October 09, 2013, 09:53:44 AM

Note sure if I missed it in the last 200 pages but has anyone recorded wattage at the wall with a kill-a-watt or similar device? If it is better than the estimated 1.8 J/GH I would like to update the power thread.

U can check this out - https://i.imgur.com/ILgPsPG.jpg?1

That is useful 455W @ 12VDC and assume PSU is 90% efficient means ~505W at the wall or ~1GH/J. Still would like to see some at the wall measurements from users in the field.

Thos could be useful for your hashrate-thread:

Orama:

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There's actually approx a 1,000 units left. There has been over local 100 pick-ups (well 100 units picked-up), over 400 physically shipped, and a chunk dedicated to hosting.

dwdoc

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Quote from: whisper on October 09, 2013, 10:17:07 AM

This is from now... i have one dead core in asics 3... https://i.imgur.com/h16527G.jpg

The one drawing 14.9A?

plasmoske

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The realist

Thanks orama for the explanation.

So the boxes are already up and running then. And the knc pool is up also. Interesting.

Well at least someone from knc is trying to give the clear picture as to what is going on.

Now I'm feeling a bit more optimistic Roll Eyes

whisper

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Learn to go against your mind

This is from now... i have one dead core in asics 3... https://i.imgur.com/h16527G.jpg

DeathAndTaxes

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Quote from: whisper on October 09, 2013, 10:12:30 AM

Quote from: DeathAndTaxes on October 09, 2013, 09:53:44 AM

Note sure if I missed it in the last 200 pages but has anyone recorded wattage at the wall with a kill-a-watt or similar device? If it is better than the estimated 1.8 J/GH I would like to update the power thread.

U can check this out - https://i.imgur.com/ILgPsPG.jpg?1

That is useful 455W @ 12VDC and assume PSU is 90% efficient means ~505W at the wall or ~1GH/J. Still would like to see some at the wall measurements from users in the field.

whisper

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Quote from: DeathAndTaxes on October 09, 2013, 09:53:44 AM

Note sure if I missed it in the last 200 pages but has anyone recorded wattage at the wall with a kill-a-watt or similar device? If it is better than the estimated 1.8 J/GH I would like to update the power thread.

U can check this out - https://i.imgur.com/ILgPsPG.jpg?1

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BitcoinEvo [$XBTE]

1k per 5 days quite funny i got order number 4xxx see ya in November for 100Gsah miner only 500$ ( not 5000 in August) Tongue

uininPeter

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Quote from: Bitcoinorama on October 09, 2013, 09:43:54 AM

With that said you're well aware that what was achieved was momentous, no one has partied yet, and these guys are working around the clock to have these units in you hands. They have not done anything underhand at anypoint, so whilst one can share sympathy for those mistrusting and burnt by companies before, this is absolutely not what's happening here, so drop the conspiracies. It's a mega hardworking bunch of guys working as close to 24/7 as their bodies physically allow and unforeseeable issues will occur, the best resolution is to adapt fast and remain calm. Sam is still confident to hit 15th Oct.

Wouldnt be better to have more employees? Or do you expect future sales will not be a problem anymore when you catch up preorders

Renaud

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All customers just need to know if the 15th October for all delivery is still valid. Huh

Ok then since "Sam is still confident to hit 15th Oct.". Undecided

edgar

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thanks for the update but are they GENUINELY confident they will ship out 1000 units in the next 5 days??

and how about some chips with 1s on & others with 3s on them?

i understood that the low end(under-performing) chips would be kept back and mined with by the engineers/knc

cognoscente

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Still wondering why boxes aren't moving. Firmware aside, why no boxes and no explanation?

Again... Why no boxes and why no explanation?

Pop in 5 boards, a few cables, a few screws, and ship it.

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