Thanks for the information.
So, the advantage of the KNC vs the SP chip design is that it needs less space , only?
Topic: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com - page 444. (Read 3050075 times)
the facts and history say their specs are real.
true +- 20%
and spondoolies did it.
If your intent in the SP mention was to show an existence proof, I'm not sure its reasonable to compare the SP technical accomplishments with the technical problems KNC must have faced developing the Neptune ASIC. IIRC the SP 10 machines are based on many-instances of a comparatively simple chip ( a lot like the Bitmain approach ) and the SP30 is based on a die shrink of the SP-10 chip. OTOH, Neptune (and Titan) ASICS are many-cored VLSI SOC type chips with a much higher degree of integration.
Different vendors adopt different implementation approaches based on their different understandings of how bitcoin mining will develop and the intended life times of their respective products.
Can you elaborate with more details of the anticipated specs of both SP30 and Neptune.
What I only know is 20nm vs 28nm.
What is the rest of the different implementation?
Thanks in advance.
Let me preface my remarks by saying I am not an expert on ASIC development or manufacture. However I do have a professional background in CS and EE.
That said, there are clear differences between the SP approach and the KNC approach. The SP10 uses '192 Spondoolies-Tech Hammer ASIC units' whereas KNC has stated that the Neptune adopts the Jupiter approach, ie: one large ASIC on each of a small number (4) of boards. Ignoring at the moment the complexities of using the 20nm process for the 1st time, the KNC chip is almost certainly at least an order of magnitude more complex than the SP chip and represents signficantly more design effort and technical accomplishment.
The Titan also adopts this design philosophy and relies on only 4 VLSI SOC ASICS, each with 2284 cores, 55mm x 55mm in size, manufactured on a 28nm node, dissipating 300w each.
The SP30 according to SP uses 30 RockerBox ASICS, which are a die shrink of the 40nm Hammer ASIC to a 28nm process and therefore involves very little new design. I don't intend to demean SP's accomplishments, which are significant, but I don't think they represent an existence proof that makes it more likely that KNC will ship their products on schedule.
Hehe, well... I'm just trying to keep an "honest perspective"
I sure could fill a few pages with complaints of my own, again and again...
but there's no sense in letting disinformation spread too far...
There's already enough "Legit" dirt on KNC to write asmall good sized HUGE novel... 
I sure could fill a few pages with complaints of my own, again and again...
but there's no sense in letting disinformation spread too far...
There's already enough "Legit" dirt on KNC to write a
No, it's indeed 9 month, all nex gen product on going before current gen shiped, thing going on before they announce preorder~
WTF?Neptunes went on sale November 26th.
November 26th to today= 6 months, and 2-1/2 weeks.
and
June delivery will mean a total of 7 to 7-1/2 months.
Jupiter was also done in about 6 months, start to finish, concept to delivery.
I don't know where you get your info, but you sure can't count, or simply are not educated on what has transpired with KNC.
You should read the thread before you blurt too much more nonsense and look like a fool.
There will always be those who: Skip to the end of the novel and make assumptions based on the current drama.
Just sayin'
you're slippin back into that fanboy mode eric
SEPTEMBER.
No, it's indeed 9 month, all nex gen product on going before current gen shiped, thing going on before they announce preorder~
WTF?Neptunes went on sale November 26th.
November 26th to today= 6 months, and 2-1/2 weeks.
and
June delivery will mean a total of 7 to 7-1/2 months.
Jupiter was also done in about 6 months, start to finish, concept to delivery.
I don't know where you get your info, but you sure can't count, or simply are not educated on what has transpired with KNC.
You should read the thread or at least the KNC news timeline before you blurt too much more nonsense and look like a fool.
There will always be those who: Skip to the end of the novel and make assumptions based on the current drama.
Just sayin'
the facts and history say their specs are real.
true +- 20%
and spondoolies did it.
If your intent in the SP mention was to show an existence proof, I'm not sure its reasonable to compare the SP technical accomplishments with the technical problems KNC must have faced developing the Neptune ASIC. IIRC the SP 10 machines are based on many-instances of a comparatively simple chip ( a lot like the Bitmain approach ) and the SP30 is based on a die shrink of the SP-10 chip. OTOH, Neptune (and Titan) ASICS are many-cored VLSI SOC type chips with a much higher degree of integration.
Different vendors adopt different implementation approaches based on their different understandings of how bitcoin mining will develop and the intended life times of their respective products.
Can you elaborate with more details of the anticipated specs of both SP30 and Neptune.
What I only know is 20nm vs 28nm.
What is the rest of the different implementation?
Thanks in advance.
No, it's indeed 9 month, all nex gen product on going before current gen shiped, thing going on before they announce preorder~
the facts and history say their specs are real.
true +- 20%
and spondoolies did it.
If your intent in the SP mention was to show an existence proof, I'm not sure its reasonable to compare the SP technical accomplishments with the technical problems KNC must have faced developing the Neptune ASIC. IIRC the SP 10 machines are based on many-instances of a comparatively simple chip ( a lot like the Bitmain approach ) and the SP30 is based on a die shrink of the SP-10 chip. OTOH, Neptune (and Titan) ASICS are many-cored VLSI SOC type chips with a much higher degree of integration.
Different vendors adopt different implementation approaches based on their different understandings of how bitcoin mining will develop and the intended life times of their respective products.
It's easy to get caught up in all the negativity due to their actions, but the facts and history say their specs are real.
and spondoolies did it.
You obviously didn't have to endure this from the beginning... lol
The chip specs are actually the only REAL info I can "count on" imho lest the delivery dates... ug.
They at KNC have years more experience designing ASICs than any of the competition, and there's absolutely no reason to not believe the posted chip specs. This is really a moot subject anyways, we have been through this same argument in here dozens of times with both designs.
Read the novel (this thread) sometime from page 1...hehe.
and spondoolies did it.
You obviously didn't have to endure this from the beginning... lol
The chip specs are actually the only REAL info I can "count on" imho lest the delivery dates... ug.
They at KNC have years more experience designing ASICs than any of the competition, and there's absolutely no reason to not believe the posted chip specs. This is really a moot subject anyways, we have been through this same argument in here dozens of times with both designs.
Read the novel (this thread) sometime from page 1...hehe.
elasticband, thanks a lot for sharing this info with us!
They rip off their own staff ?!
I feel bad for him.
KnC are really cheap bastards!
... he is due thousands from KnC and he got paid very little for his work.
They rip off their own staff ?! I feel bad for him.
KnC are really cheap bastards!
Oh~ fxxk, Can't believe this is a Swedish company, my all imagnation of knc was broken~
btw, as my guess, knc was make mistake on IC design, almost 9 months can have product for preorder customers, they might loose a lot of money on chip process, as estimate they might change design more than twice, so they might need to use flaw chip sets to dig bitcoin back, oh~ start to worrying about my preorder, and if they are fall, I might lost my cash.
No, the chip designing is the one thing they do really well... it's just everything else!
and Neptunes have been on pre-order for about 6 months, not 9.
"losing your cash" was always a possibility, as in any investment purchase, it's not just KNC.
I also still believe they have a surprise or two coming up for those who endured by holding the Neptune orders.
Nothing is lost 'till "the fat lady sings", and she will be due on stage soon.
We shall see.
Good luck.
trust me, the spec of ic they offered is too good to be true, it simple not possible accomplish with current ic process, unless they us 3D ic concept, then that will be a big surprise, but may be took another 9 months to go, so useless~
Get ready to be astounded.
yes, another 9 month to go, i do astounded by this~ cheers
also take an example of spondoolies is meaning less, we are talking knc here, the one who I'd really trusted brand and get me a little dis-pointed.
Nothing is lost 'till "the fat lady sings", and she will be due on stage soon.
The promise was Q1/2 ?
q1 Jan feb march
q2 april May June - they have over 5 weeks still in Q2
q3 July Aug Sept
Q4 Oct Nov. Dec.
According to Kurt the fat lady is still trying to decide what dress to wear for her gala nite.
http://forum.kncminer.com/forum/main-category/hardware/40866-neptune-information-racking-etc/page2
elasticband, thanks a lot for sharing this info with us!
They rip off their own staff ?!
I feel bad for him.
KnC are really cheap bastards!
... he is due thousands from KnC and he got paid very little for his work.
They rip off their own staff ?! I feel bad for him.
KnC are really cheap bastards!
Oh~ fxxk, Can't believe this is a Swedish company, my all imagnation of knc was broken~
btw, as my guess, knc was make mistake on IC design, almost 9 months can have product for preorder customers, they might loose a lot of money on chip process, as estimate they might change design more than twice, so they might need to use flaw chip sets to dig bitcoin back, oh~ start to worrying about my preorder, and if they are fall, I might lost my cash.
No, the chip designing is the one thing they do really well... it's just everything else!
and Neptunes have been on pre-order for about 6 months, not 9.
"losing your cash" was always a possibility, as in any investment purchase, it's not just KNC.
I also still believe they have a surprise or two coming up for those who endured by holding the Neptune orders.
Nothing is lost 'till "the fat lady sings", and she will be due on stage soon.
We shall see.
Good luck.
trust me, the spec of ic they offered is too good to be true, it simple not possible accomplish with current ic process, unless they us 3D ic concept, then that will be a big surprise, but may be took another 9 months to go, so useless~
Get ready to be astounded.
You say KNC cant possibly do it, yet spondoolies already has it, and KNC has a record of good design success.
elasticband, thanks a lot for sharing this info with us!
They rip off their own staff ?!
I feel bad for him.
KnC are really cheap bastards!
... he is due thousands from KnC and he got paid very little for his work.
They rip off their own staff ?! I feel bad for him.
KnC are really cheap bastards!
Oh~ fxxk, Can't believe this is a Swedish company, my all imagnation of knc was broken~
btw, as my guess, knc was make mistake on IC design, almost 9 months can have product for preorder customers, they might loose a lot of money on chip process, as estimate they might change design more than twice, so they might need to use flaw chip sets to dig bitcoin back, oh~ start to worrying about my preorder, and if they are fall, I might lost my cash.
No, the chip designing is the one thing they do really well... it's just everything else!
and Neptunes have been on pre-order for about 6 months, not 9.
"losing your cash" was always a possibility, as in any investment purchase, it's not just KNC.
I also still believe they have a surprise or two coming up for those who endured by holding the Neptune orders.
Nothing is lost 'till "the fat lady sings", and she will be due on stage soon.
We shall see.
Good luck.
trust me, the spec of ic they offered is too good to be true, it simple not possible accomplish with current ic process, unless they us 3D ic concept, then that will be a big surprise, but may be took another 9 months to go, so useless~
An if they do ic design so good, then why a lot of super junk ship out, it is really doubt and can't convince people.
Nothing is lost 'till "the fat lady sings", and she will be due on stage soon.
The promise was Q1/2 ?
q1 Jan feb march
q2 april May June - they have over 5 weeks still in Q2
q3 July Aug Sept
Q4 Oct Nov. Dec.
Nothing is lost 'till "the fat lady sings", and she will be due on stage soon.
The promise was Q1/2 ?
elasticband, thanks a lot for sharing this info with us!
They rip off their own staff ?!
I feel bad for him.
KnC are really cheap bastards!
... he is due thousands from KnC and he got paid very little for his work.
They rip off their own staff ?! I feel bad for him.
KnC are really cheap bastards!
Oh~ fxxk, Can't believe this is a Swedish company, my all imagnation of knc was broken~
btw, as my guess, knc was make mistake on IC design, almost 9 months can have product for preorder customers, they might loose a lot of money on chip process, as estimate they might change design more than twice, so they might need to use flaw chip sets to dig bitcoin back, oh~ start to worrying about my preorder, and if they are fall, I might lost my cash.
No, the chip designing is the one thing they do really well... it's just everything else!
and Neptunes have been on pre-order for about 6 months, not 9.
"losing your cash" was always a possibility, as in any investment purchase, it's not just KNC.
I also still believe they have a surprise or two coming up for those who endured by holding the Neptune orders.
Nothing is lost 'till "the fat lady sings", and she will be due on stage soon.
We shall see.
Good luck.
By the time the Neptunes come out in late June they will ROI about $1500,
when the "FREE" Neptune comes after 2nd batch in about early September they will ROI about $500 as difficulty will be 30 Billion by then.
when the "FREE" Neptune comes after 2nd batch in about early September they will ROI about $500 as difficulty will be 30 Billion by then.
don't worry, they really do not have good chipsets to ship to us so far, and in next months, about the so called data center, it is just a recycle arena for degrade chips, they just try to squeeze some juice from so called degrade chips, as super junk as the prove, soon will see their fall, fxxk~ take money from kind people and shit them with nothing but lie.
I agree that they care only for their personal profits, but I am sure that they would not let anyone touch their assets, as EU legislation allows them to escape from such indebted to hell corporations.
Even though, their pockets are full and if we win at the courts, it would be a decision against the corporation KNC and not against them, as persons. KNC would have nothing to give back at that time.
"Bye, bye all".
"Bye, bye all".
They'd be ordered to pay back money and/or divide the current mining center up among the people who funded it. In other words, people would get what they deserved this whole time, and the hashrate wouldn't go up so you'd have a slight bonus relating to difficulty. And good riddance, do you really want them around any longer? They clearly don't care about the movement as much as their personal profits.
What's to say their ultimate goal isn't to crash bitcoin, and prop up another currency of their own?
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