Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com - page 605.

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Quote from: matthewh3 on March 06, 2014, 06:16:51 AM

Quote from: The Avenger on March 06, 2014, 06:12:57 AM

Quote from: matthewh3 on March 06, 2014, 06:05:26 AM

From tape out to mass production can be done within seven weeks if all goes well. So that means it is possible for the first units to start shipping in April. As they taped out in February come on your flogging a dead horse horse now spamming FUD. For all you know they tapped out on February 1st Roll Eyes

So why did they announce a datacentre "Plan B" on 5th February if they had already taped out?

They knew they were so close to taping out and built a datacentre as a backup plan.

They had until June to deliver and announced a datacentre backup plan in more or less January - 5 months before they would need it.

What's that about?

Oh, you really believe they're only building the datacenter for plan B Roll Eyes

really you're flogging a dead horse now. Who pay's you to write this crap or do you just get satisfaction spreading FUD and trolling.

I've come to the conclusion that KnC pays Avanger. Since so few are saying bad things they said it's ok to pay Avanger to balance the karma Cheesy

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Quote from: merv77 on March 05, 2014, 09:33:51 AM

'tape out' completed Shocked

this was totally unexpected, now I'm excited Cheesy

Joeventura and his insider information has been wrong with his predictions that there wasn't going to be a physical miner, and I was actually starting to beleive him.

So how long does it take to slice and package wafers? Anyone?

ok ok you can come back Orama... this is good news and we can all be friends again Tongue

I dont know where you read that I predicted there would never be a physical miner, my prediction was that they would make everyone KNCCloud customers because the neptunes would not arrive in time and they would ultimately be delivered to KNCcloud instead of the customers.

And anyone who owns a calendar can see that the prediction I made is actually very likely.

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i would speculate the pictures we have seen of 28nm boards hashing in the datacenter are actually the hosted boards, which KnC host for people like me and their 5% portion of what 28nm tech they have sold Wink

I guess the downtime i had for several hours a month back was them moving the boards

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Quote from: elasticband on March 06, 2014, 07:32:30 AM

Plan B was just some media cover to give reason for the purchase of the data center, when really they knew the data center would be offered as hosting to their 20nm customers as they were near completion of tape out, or maybe taped out already Wink

Or, they built the datacenter for sole purpose of using for themselves and then realized that people might be able to do math and figure that the amount of hashing in that DC far exceeded their "promise of only hashing at 5% of what they sold." That might look a bit selfish so they said that it was a backup plan in case their 20nm didn't pan out. Oh my, the speculation is so rich in this thread which makes it so interesting at times.

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Plan B was just some media cover to give reason for the purchase of the data center, when really they knew the data center would be offered as hosting to their 20nm customers as they were near completion of tape out, or maybe taped out already Wink

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I think people would have been a lot more upset if they had just announced they were building a data centre with no updates about how this fits in with their customers and the Neptune.

The hosted stuff would happen regardless of what stage the Neptune development was at, it just worked out well that it could be used for Neptune customers if things didn't go to plan.

There is other information prior to the Plan B information about getting everything ready to submit, if you look at that and then look at yesterday's announcement it should give you a better indication of when Tape out happened.

Quote from: Bitcoinorama on January 17, 2014, 10:31:38 AM

Quote from: NetTime on January 17, 2014, 10:26:38 AM

Yes thanks for the update. Looking forward to progress and news that the 20nm design has taped out.

Again that's after we're happy and Alchip are happy with the final design before submission. 20nm is not 28nm, there's more risk and we fully intend to mitigate such where possible. We're moving as fast as we can, we're where I said we were aiming to be before Christmas, but we're respecting this tech. It's very much untrodden ground and as before we want this to work first time.

Quote from: Bitcoinorama on January 18, 2014, 06:46:09 AM

It's been worked on throughout Christmas. They have a working FPGA copy. That's quite significant progress as is. 20nm is absolute breakneck cutting edge tech and they don't want to screw the design up. They started just before Christmas and they are already at this stage. Would I call it preliminary design? yes I would. I would call everything before RTL submission that. Would you rather I lie? You claim I'm being vague and I'm actually being very specific. I've told you precisely where we are at without giving away anything of significant competitive sensitivity. I could be vague and just say it's all on track and you'd be none the wiser. Where do you expect them to be at this stage after working solidly through Christmas?! Designs aren't just pulled out of hats and components need to be sourced in volume with short lead times and guess what a lot of those guys take Christmas off. Rest assured what needs to be done is being done and the Q1/Q2 delivery estimation is there to give us the breathing space to do it professionally and to a level of competency that we believe is achievable.

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Quote from: matthewh3 on March 06, 2014, 06:16:51 AM

Quote from: The Avenger on March 06, 2014, 06:12:57 AM

Quote from: matthewh3 on March 06, 2014, 06:05:26 AM

From tape out to mass production can be done within seven weeks if all goes well. So that means it is possible for the first units to start shipping in April. As they taped out in February come on your flogging a dead horse horse now spamming FUD. For all you know they tapped out on February 1st Roll Eyes

So why did they announce a datacentre "Plan B" on 5th February if they had already taped out?

They knew they were so close to taping out and built a datacentre as a backup plan.

They had until June to deliver and announced a datacentre backup plan in more or less January - 5 months before they would need it.

What's that about?

Oh, you really believe they're only building the datacenter for plan B Roll Eyes

really you're flogging a dead horse now. Who pay's you to right this crap or do you just get satisfaction spreading FUD and trolling.

You are missing the point. Probably deliberately. I'll leave you and your fetish for dead horses to it. If you want to discuss it, write (not right) a proper reply.

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Quote from: The Avenger on March 06, 2014, 06:12:57 AM

Quote from: matthewh3 on March 06, 2014, 06:05:26 AM

From tape out to mass production can be done within seven weeks if all goes well. So that means it is possible for the first units to start shipping in April. As they taped out in February come on your flogging a dead horse horse now spamming FUD. For all you know they tapped out on February 1st Roll Eyes

So why did they announce a datacentre "Plan B" on 5th February if they had already taped out?

They knew they were so close to taping out and built a datacentre as a backup plan.

They had until June to deliver and announced a datacentre backup plan in more or less January - 5 months before they would need it.

What's that about?

Oh, you really believe they're only building the datacenter for plan B Roll Eyes

really you're flogging a dead horse now. Who pay's you to write this crap or do you just get satisfaction spreading FUD and trolling.

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Quote from: matthewh3 on March 06, 2014, 06:05:26 AM

From tape out to mass production can be done within seven weeks if all goes well. So that means it is possible for the first units to start shipping in April. As they taped out in February come on your flogging a dead horse horse now spamming FUD. For all you know they tapped out on February 1st Roll Eyes

So why did they announce a datacentre "Plan B" on 5th February if they had already taped out?

They knew they were so close to taping out and built a datacentre as a backup plan.

They had until June to deliver and yet announced a datacentre backup plan in more or less January - 5 months before they would need it.

What's that about?

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Quote from: The Avenger on March 06, 2014, 05:41:17 AM

Quote from: Grix on March 06, 2014, 05:39:01 AM

As much as I appreciate the tape out news, this means that even for us closed batch 1 folk there's absolutely no chance of a Q1 or even April delivery, right?

Absolutely no chance of Q1 or April.

From tape out to mass production can be done within seven weeks if all goes well. So that means it is possible for the first units to start shipping in April. As they taped out in February come on your flogging a dead horse horse now spamming FUD. For all you know they tapped out on February 1st Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Grix on March 06, 2014, 05:39:01 AM

As much as I appreciate the tape out news, this means that even for us closed batch 1 folk there's absolutely no chance of a Q1 or even April delivery, right?

Absolutely no chance of Q1 or April.

Edit: In case people think I'm being a classic... you got it by now, here are others people's numbers if you don't believe the ones I provided:

Quote from: AussieHash on August 29, 2013, 08:42:12 PM

-snip-
Their internal timeline is to have chips in hand 64 days after tapeout, which corresponds to 31st October. They then need to attach them to boards, assemble the rigs and ship them out.

Now whether chips in hand @ 28nm is possible 64 days after tape out is another question
-snip-

Quote from: DeathAndTaxes on November 10, 2013, 12:48:56 PM

That is correct and fabrication takes usually 60 days, 45 days is possible for small high cost "rocket runs". Wafer cutting, testing, and packaging is easily another 10 days. So count on 55-70 days for chips.

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As much as I appreciate the tape out news, this means that even for us closed batch 1 folk there's absolutely no chance of a Q1 or even April delivery, right?

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Quote from: Biomech on March 06, 2014, 02:09:08 AM

Quote from: merv77 on March 05, 2014, 09:33:51 AM

'tape out' completed Shocked

this was totally unexpected, now I'm excited Cheesy

Joeventura and his insider information has been wrong with his predictions that there wasn't going to be a physical miner, and I was actually starting to beleive him.

So how long does it take to slice and package wafers? Anyone?

ok ok you can come back Orama... this is good news and we can all be friends again Tongue

Not long. The time consuming parts still ahead are validation and building the mask set. Time to package, if I remember correctly, is around 49 days from tape out.

KNC never announced when they taped out Jupiter, they just said "we did it ages ago" at some point during summer. Where did you get 49 days from? Seems a very precise number if you can barely remember

Edit: Dug it up, in case people think I'm being a classic FUDster Grin

Quote from: kncminer on July 30, 2013, 08:41:06 AM

Hi Guys

We would like to say that. Yes....we did tape-out of the ASIC some time ago. The exact details of the ASIC schedule, volumes, vendor etc. is kept internal since it's very sensitive information towards competitors. The product development tasks are on-track."

We are still on schedule to begin shipping in September.

Thanks
KnCMiner Team

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Quote from: Biomech on March 06, 2014, 02:09:08 AM

Quote from: merv77 on March 05, 2014, 09:33:51 AM

'tape out' completed Shocked

this was totally unexpected, now I'm excited Cheesy

Joeventura and his insider information has been wrong with his predictions that there wasn't going to be a physical miner, and I was actually starting to beleive him.

So how long does it take to slice and package wafers? Anyone?

ok ok you can come back Orama... this is good news and we can all be friends again Tongue

Not long. The time consuming parts still ahead are validation and building the mask set. Time to package, if I remember correctly, is around 49 days from tape out.

The Tape Out news was very welcome. Sounds like they are on-track for a Q2 delivery... I'm hopeful.

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Quote from: RenHoek on March 05, 2014, 05:23:08 PM

Is there something wrong with the KNC Cloud?

http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1A73ExsM2doRwTLp82rv5U36QHbBFmHD1X

probably they have just finished to deploy their on pool software and are slowly switching their miners...

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Its cold dark days like this i really appreciate my mining room and rigs.

It's a stable 24c, the sound of fans whirring away i find extremely relaxing and have done since i was a child, the hot air blowing toward me is nice and comforting.
something about the jet engine of a plane starting up always use to send me to sleep when i was a child.

I could actually sleep right here and i have done before.

No wonder my girlfriend thinks I can be strange.

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Quote from: Biomech on March 06, 2014, 02:11:14 AM

Quote from: WastedLTC on March 05, 2014, 10:37:27 AM

I got my BTC refund today for 3 Neptunes (43.569). exchange rate used was at $700 by the time I got it, rate was down to $660. Took 8 days to complete the transaction and BTC went on some wild swings, had no idea where it would be and they gave me no information on the exchange rate other than they will use BitStamp price at the time of transaction. Considering that I spent under that amount to purchase 4 Neptunes, made out pretty well. When it arrives every mBit it makes will be profit... good to hear they taped out... Wasn't really looking forward to re-wiring my house to install 4.

good times.

Well played.

so they are using the current exchange rate of BTC. Then converting to Fiat? Many people have said they will get the Fiat return of 10K.

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Quote from: WastedLTC on March 05, 2014, 10:37:27 AM

I got my BTC refund today for 3 Neptunes (43.569). exchange rate used was at $700 by the time I got it, rate was down to $660. Took 8 days to complete the transaction and BTC went on some wild swings, had no idea where it would be and they gave me no information on the exchange rate other than they will use BitStamp price at the time of transaction. Considering that I spent under that amount to purchase 4 Neptunes, made out pretty well. When it arrives every mBit it makes will be profit... good to hear they taped out... Wasn't really looking forward to re-wiring my house to install 4.

good times.

Well played.

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Quote from: merv77 on March 05, 2014, 09:33:51 AM

'tape out' completed Shocked

this was totally unexpected, now I'm excited Cheesy

Joeventura and his insider information has been wrong with his predictions that there wasn't going to be a physical miner, and I was actually starting to beleive him.

So how long does it take to slice and package wafers? Anyone?

ok ok you can come back Orama... this is good news and we can all be friends again Tongue

Not long. The time consuming parts still ahead are validation and building the mask set. Time to package, if I remember correctly, is around 49 days from tape out.

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Quote from: mvalley on March 05, 2014, 05:25:24 PM

I was watching lord of the rings yesterday and it reminded me of the situation with knc. I think they are basically good people over there and they helped me make some money with their saturns. But eventually greed took over their minds when they thought how they can mine all these coins and keep them for themselves. The thought of owning all they hashpower and the coins that come with it has consumed them. And the millions of $ they received from the neptunes was the turning point.

One coin to rule them all...

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