Topic: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com - page 783. (Read 3050071 times)

Their April 2TH/s machine will only be a 28nm chip, how does that start to compare with the 20nm chip Knc has?
Also 2 x 1100 watt power supplies suggests the 28nm 2TH/s machine will consume ALOT of power, so I hope you don't pay for your power where you live or you'll be paying a lot more for it!

That's a fun sight

Sorry, I just don't think there is any strategy at all. Sometimes it seems like they just throw a dart at the board and go with whatever it lands on. I think we give them too much credit coming up with all these elaborate plans on if they are selling jupiters/netpunes/prunes, etc. Whoever is making business decisions at KnC really needs to be more consistent to warrant any of these conspiracy theories.

As you said in #4 they don't sell new Jupiters and rely on the Neptune, but as they continue to do the R&D before they ship the first batch the competition surges again allowing Knc to leap frog the competition with the Neptune. Remember they said it will do a minimum of 3TH/s and that they have the right to increase the hashing rate before its shipped.

Realistically it would have been more wise to buy the 2nd and or 3rd batch of the Neptune's as they are more likely to do more hashing than the first batch whatever its at, be that 3TH/s or more.

It's great to see they decided to focus all their resources (for all we know) on the Neptune and not be spread out thin trying to release a newer Jupiter while working on the Neptune as smaller companies who have spread themselves out too thin end up in bankruptcy pretty quickly.

Well, if HashLast doesn't make KNC sell another batch, I suppose Cointerra will

http://cointerra.com/engineering-update-goldstrike-packaged-chips-system-board-assembly/

They seem good to their word with minor exceptions so far and that's way ahead of others so I'm not going to give the 'just a marketing tactic' any weight.

"SOLD FROM STOCK" means what it says, SOLD FROM STOCK. Where in the world would you put together they would have to make them? If they had to make them and put them together and all that, they probably wouldn't have said SOLD FROM STOCK. It was a BALK KNC did to make people get some coin and not purchase from a competitor. Then the Neptune sales came out. It was just a marketing tactic.

Far from aggressive.

The *only* manufacturer shipping at a reasonable price right now is BitMain. It would be good if KNC would get back in production to provide some competition.

wrong if fulfilling most customer's expectations, right if plan was to get pre-paid orders to finance first ASIC development and implementation then sell first to employees and self, then waiting customers and backdoor deals slowly while hashing while the hashing was best for ASICs; then when ROI was almost break even on the miners, really start to ship pre-orders.

1st week 2014, 1/1-1/4 probability of Jupiter sales opening, 20%
2nd week 2014, 1/5-1/11 probability of Jupiter sales opening, 45%

these are my guesses.

^^ This is their answer really.  They can still be legit on their word to early customers on waiting before making more Jupiters and still hit their competitors pretty hard.

If KNC just shipped out Jupiters with no case and no heatsinks and already they don't ship PSUs they have a nice margin they can drop vs worrying about power usage wars (meaningless in any scenario vs other factors like delivery time & cost per Gh)

They can keep Neptune on the whiteboard and offer those customers refunds or switching to Jupiters.  Sometimes best to take a step back before hitting a wall.

Their price has no bite considering it's stating 600Gh/s MAYBE  in March... and given the novel of history, I wouldn't touch that, even with Josh's signature in blood. He's been Wrong, every single time, with every single uttering for a year and a half now....  and with about ten thousand pissed-off customers to testify.....Why would you expect different?

I wish KNC would just keep selling batches of Jupiters,   put the nail in the coffin of all these scam hardware companies!


With BFL's aggressive new pricing i expect something from KNC in the next few days!

*Keep us clueless 'till the announcement "We have them in stock for immediate shipping".....
No way a Neptune refund would make it in time in that scenario, and then could do both...which is what my guess WAS
Now, I'm not so sure, sounds as if the 28nm idea got 86'd

Avenger has a point. Rock and a hard place really.

Guess you will see some true colors pretty soon.

They can't. As I've been saying, if they flood the market with new Jupiters, it'll massively impact neptune sales/refunds. Anyone with money would buy a dozen jupiters for delivery in Jan/Feb and cancel all neptune orders. Because 3TH now is worth XXTH in June/July. They can't risk a mass refund on neptunes, as they will have no business. Also, if they flood the market with Jupiters, it'll increase the network hashrate dramatically and that'll make the neptune look less and less attractive. Could even kill it.

So, they are in a delightfully difficult situation   KNC can

1. Sell loads of Jupiters and forget neptune. Lot's of money, but the end of their business.
2. Sell limited number of Jupiters and hope it doesn't damage neptune sales or lead to mass neptune refunds (most likely scenario).
3. Sell loads of Jupiters, but make sure people with neptune orders cannot get a refund. In the process, make themselves the most hated asic company in the world.
4. Don't sell any new Jupiters and rely on neptune. But this bet relies on their competition screwing up and not being able to take the lead for the X months it takes knc to squeeze out the neptune. If competion surges ahead, knc are left behind. Any major delays in neptune - knc are dead.

How many more options do they have?

heh heh

Chinese new year: 2014   2014-01-31   Horse (2014-01-31—2015-02-18). Most everything comes to a standstill in Asia during this time.

No information to make decisions may be the point.  A group sales figure here on bitcointalk has gear to sell.  It's not KnC gear, it's not too efficient, price isn't great, but the stuff is available and he was an early provider of ASICs to us in this country at the home user level.  He personally put ASICs in miners homes  here while BFL was blowing smoke our way.  If KnC were to say 'We've been working full work weeks producing Jupiters for release in January.' sales of comrade ASIC miners might be damaged.  KnC knows it has the Lexus of Bitcoin Miners at present.  KnC can sell at will all it offers.

Isn't the first week in January their New Year.  Big event there I think where everything stops except parades and party for what a week or two?