Topic: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com - page 793. (Read 3050071 times)

If you think that in any way Hashfast is a better deal, then you really need to check your facts again.

hashfast have cheap price
more Ghash
have psu
have coolwater
good case

iam litle sad with knc

Oh yeah, it is two batches and 3 batches within those two. My mistake. KNC go back and rewrite their newsletters so often, it's hard to keep up So their "Second Batch" is their third batch, which is all very clear.

I know a lot of people bought with the mindset they could get a refund any time they want, because knc promised that. But knc are such despicable liars, they retrospectively removed this "promise" from their newsletters after customers bought. I just find it amazing how much lies and greed and contempt for customers knc show and people are still willing to give them their money. It's never going to end well.

I know when I bought, the only people offering advice in this thread were shills, giving biased bs, pretending they were unbiased. I guess I'm just sick of that and offer the other side, even though I get so much abuse from the shills for doing it. Also, I'll feel no guilt at all about laughing when the knobtuners are getting first degree burns in Q2/Q3/Q4. Lot's of "I told you so's" on the horizon  

It's a real simple wallet test for me. Would I go to the bathroom and leave my wallet at the table if knc were there? Nope.

On an ongoing basis, they prove how rotten they are. I would not trust them with another dollar, on the basis of my dealings with them in the past and the way they operate.

Don't believe me, you are welcome to believe whatever you want regarding knc. But things are not always as they seem    

I don't know why people can't count.... but here it is ...
There are THREE batches of Neptunes folks, not two, regardless what Avenger says.
He's always full of misinformation, and if you expect to know what's really going on...
you may be better off totally ignoring his bullshit.

1.The first batch, was called "The customer Appreciation batch", and was priced at 10k, consisted of 1200 units.
       this batch was deemed q1/q2 delivery.
We were then guaranteed time before the next batch here... weeks.

2.The second batch, deemed "General Public Batch one", was 13k, and also was 1200 units, as stated,
will come weeks after the customer batch, also stated to be delivered in Q1/Q2 of 2014.

3."Batch Three" is actually "General Public Batch 2" 10k (being sold now) is yet another 1200 units to be delivered yet a few more weeks after  "in The previous batch.
and this one is marked for delivery solely in Q2 of 2014"

BUT THIS?.....


WRONG and RIGHT at same time......   3 batches   yes 3k extra for gen public batch 1, that's our reward.  
a pretty hefty one too... think about it... 3k less, and weeks earlier than public batch 1


and This:


The diff has been doubling every month...of course the Neps a month later will be about 23% less in price.   (3*100/13)   using "is/of = %/100" method.
Do you really NOT understand all this? Or are you purposefully trying to relay FUD?

There's no "mystery" to the price drops over time.... especially since they did this before with Saturn & Jupiter
The mystery is how you missed the closing out of the first general public batch, and the week they sat "sold out" before offering the current 10k batch.
it makes perfect sense.
Your comments don't.

Think about this for a minute...  do you really want the price to stay the same over time, between batches,  or do you expect it to drop?

I'm still trying to figure you out and give you the benefit of the doubt. Do you see yourself as some sort of good Samaritan attempting to protect us, the ignorant people, from big bad KnC? I'm quite sure we understand the risks we've taken and you know that, so it must be something else...

lol, some of your statements are so fucking funny (without irony), and yes you are right (again). sorry to leave you here alone against last fragments of KNC fanclub and master shill.) keep going dude.

Hashfast have
Speed somewhere between 700-800 gh
So I think knc must sent at very low price upgraded models

Actually the first batch which cost 10k and 13k are the same batch 1 units. KNC just gave their customers a break on the price. Batch 2 is what is currently being sold to everyone for 10k.

So if you weren't already a KNC customer when the batch 1's came out and you paid 13k well that's too bad for you! But not to worry you'll have your Neptune a lot sooner than I will have my Batch 2 rig, so what's big deal?

I thought what was listed now was batch 3?  It is just a typo it still says batch 2.

Yes, I, an existing customer waited too long and found myself in batch 1.

Wouldn't it be nice if for existing customers who found themselves in batch 1 they throw in an upgrade module for the existing customer's Oct or Nov miner, this for the strange price bump then drop.

There are three batches, one which they named "existing customers only" and we named "batch 1", one which they named "batch 1" and we named "batch 2" and one which they named "batch 2" and we named "confusion". 1200 units each to a total of 3600 units.
Maybe we should just use the KnC names to make this easier for us all to understand. Existing customers only, batch 1 and batch 2.

Network hashrate has increased 392% since my Mercury arrived.

https://twitter.com/HashFast/statuses/416846066068520961

Looks like it could be an issue with Eligius

As I pointed out, there are only two batches. First batch priced at 10k (existing customers only). And then the second batch priced at 13k to be delivered 30 days later (which has now mysteriously dropped to 10k). They are in fact charging 3k extra (to those who bought in early December) for something to be delivered 30 days later.

Because -- boxes delivered later are worth less because they will mine less coin.

The selling price is set by KNC as to be representative of what they will accomplish. They are not doing a normal markup/margin.

no one understand why pay 13k and now is 10k

kidding with our money

They've already taken action - they are selling the machine they sold for 13k for 10k now  

It's desperation, as they see they were far too greedy with the 13k price tag. People are beginning to see knobtune is a dead duck. Competition already have the tech now knc are promising in Q2/Q3. knc are just desperately want to take any cash they can get their hands on.

That said, since I spelled out that the short term gain of selling new Jupiturds will burn their knobtune sales in the long run, they may not even sell a new batch. A few jups now is worth a helluva lot more than some faulty beta device in Q2/Q3 and you know it'll lead to mass knobtunes refunds if people could order jups now instead. Or of course they could make it impossible to get a refund on knobtune and *then* release Jups? That is certainly possible, I wouldn't put it past kfc to pull this sneaky stunt.

And regardless of any of the misleading bs posted here, there are only two batches:
First batch - 10k, which was open to previous customers
Second batch - 13k, open to all, delivery one month after first batch

The current 10k ones on sale on the knc website are the *same* second batch people paid 13k for! Yeah - if you paid 13k, you were f-ed in the a44.

This is why knc have not advertised this sale - they don't want to have to refund the extra 3k they've taken from people. They hope people will be misled into thinking it's another batch. It's not and don't believe anyone who tells you it is. The clue is in the title "Neptune Second Batch" and description "This order is for the second batch which will leave about one month after the first batch".


Very important to note that the "All refunds will be refunded in dollars and you can refund up to shipment" has been removed from all newsletters related to knobtune. I knew this was coming ^ . What does that signal??

You can be 100% sure they are about to slam the refunds door shut and your money will be locked away. There is no way they will start the NRE, sink that money and allow people to still get refunds. Everyone was locked in this year in Jupiter orders by their own choice, because there was no competition. So knc didn't need to refuse refunds up until people really started to get cold feet in September, (which is when they did their "no more changes possible" newsletter and started their downward spiral of blatant lying to customers).

But this time there is major competition and you can be 100% sure "no refunds" is on the way very soon. Much sooner than I expected - you'd have to guess in the next couple of weeks. It just needs a trigger. That will probably be when people get back from holiday and realise they paid 13k for something that is only 10k and start asking knc for the 3k back. I imagine that is when the cash will be locked away until knc can fumble out some beta junk sometime in 2014. I am one happy Avenger that knc don't have any of my cash this time. And I'm looking forward to the new year fireworks!  

Looks like HF is closer than ever now and they appear to have a much faster machine than advertised according to the Eligius address they're using. I still feel bad for those who ordered from batch 1 since it would take 1532Gh/s on Jan 1st to equal the 400gh/s they were promised on October 20th. Regardless, they'll likely start shipping on Monday, which may prompt KnC to take action and sell us more stuff.

Good point! I completely forgot about the BTC discount.

errors on eligius continues ?