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legendary
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LIR DEV
November 25, 2013, 01:24:25 PM
single rails provide much cleaner power and are able to supply the extra amperage

You keep saying this.  Can you provide some support for this statement please?
okay, I had a brand-new 700watt atx, that had 5 12v rails, which totally fried just trying to run a Saturn for 5 lousy minutes.  Why?...each of the two pci feeds had a 150 watt rating, and the boards draw very close to that amount. It fried. I'm trying to save you from my mistakes....
Why would anyone want a multirail psu anyway? one rail overloads....you're done.
with a single 12v rail, no single pci feed can overload the psu...nor hamper the hashrate from limiting the current flow due to overdraw....period!
Hope that helps..
*Some may forget, but I'm an energy researcher, and recently consultant to a large energy corporation in development of fuel gasification technologies, more specifically in the development of more efficient systems using resonant energies through the application of harnessing the bounce of signal between a HV coil, and a PWM, as well as the enhancement of combustion through the use of adding Direct Injection, plasma ignition, and Hydroxy gasses made through the harnessing of the coil HV signal bounce, and shunted to a 143 plate cell where it is produced, and then metered into the Gaseous injection system, mixed with the vapors from whatever your fuel is in the gassifier...
enough on that...
but I can't stress enough how the actual current reaching any electronic(especially digital)device is critical to it's performance.
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Glow Stick Dance!
November 25, 2013, 01:23:43 PM


No details. Coming SoonTM

Wow!  20nm AND early 2014!

That MUST be the "incoming news" announcement from 'orama.

anyone care to speculate on the other specs and prices? just for fun

I'll get us started, 2TH @ =< 0.5 watt per ghs

and selling for $3999. or less Wink

Power at the wall is an issue for us not prepared to upgrade our incoming service.

In the future everything will be hosted I imagine.
sr. member
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November 25, 2013, 01:18:29 PM
single rails provide much cleaner power and are able to supply the extra amperage

You keep saying this.  Can you provide some support for this statement please?

Antec, for one, seems to disagree with you.

http://www.antec.com/PSU/index.php
legendary
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LIR DEV
November 25, 2013, 01:15:02 PM
The power line could be the problem indeed. As for PSU I'm using 2 X Enermax Maxrevo 1500W (gold), one powering the Jupiter, the other powering the 2 saturns. They have 4 12V rails available for PCI-e and I simply use one rail for each module.
My Jupiter runs just fine on 0.98.1 beta and it ran fine on 0.99 since release until today, when I found it running with all die #0 offline so i switched back to 0.98.1 beta. Just the 2 Saturns seems to have been affected. They still run "ok" with only die #0 offline on 0.98.
By the way, both PSU's are getting power from the same line.
yep, ouch. single rails provide much cleaner power and are able to supply the extra amperage during the spikes in hashrate... and two 1500watt supplies on a 20 amp circuit is not so good either...(20 amps x 110v = 2200 watt max per 20 amp circuit, (or in EU...220v x 10amp = 2200watt)and you are saying there is more than two jupiters on that circuit?....I really think it's your power situation now for sure...

No, it's one Jupiter and 2 Saturns. The line is EU (220V), my house also has the "tri-phasic" circuit, I'm a total noob about that I have no idea what kind of line I'm currently using Smiley Anyways, the issues only appeared after the 0.99 FW, they ran just fine before that on 0.98.1 (fine meaning getting all dies on at high temps).
Here's a screenshot of the miner at start-up on 0.98.1 now: http://imgur.com/VHqBUf6. The other Saturn is even more weird, it starts normally, it powers up all dies once enough temp is achieved and after a while, it just starts turning off almost all cores on the 2nd ASIC (same asic affected on the other Saturn).
Again, they both run just fine on 0.98, of course with die #0 turned off: http://imgur.com/LbzqRIM
So, what's the problem then exactly?  Just go back to the firmware that works best then.... You are experiencing what many of us did....do...are experiencing then with the firmware....mine all run best on the 0.98.1 beta, and so I just use that.
I Hope you can get it worked out......  every machine seems to haveit's own attitude!...lol
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CoinSlingin
November 25, 2013, 01:13:25 PM
Pretty Awesome Orama!! KnC is just crapping on the competition!
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November 25, 2013, 01:09:51 PM
O'rama, be nice: can you give us a hint of hashrate? What kind of ASIC will it be?

There will be more info tomo. Figures have been mentioned, but I'm not going to steal anyone else's thunder. They're working hard for this, 20nm is just being released for commercial use, and we'll be one of the first companies in the world to half-step down to this process node. The figures have to make sense, Alchip flew here Friday week before last, and we are proceeding with the design.

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CoinSlingin
November 25, 2013, 01:08:22 PM
https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-68
 All,

Just a quick note to say that the factory started producing the November boxes today and 100 have already left via UPS.

We will ramp up production over night and over the next few days. We aim to have all the November boxes shipped before the end of the month.

Thanks

KnC Team
Sweeeeeeeeeeeeet!
High-Five -in Borat voice
sr. member
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November 25, 2013, 01:01:56 PM
The power line could be the problem indeed. As for PSU I'm using 2 X Enermax Maxrevo 1500W (gold), one powering the Jupiter, the other powering the 2 saturns. They have 4 12V rails available for PCI-e and I simply use one rail for each module.
My Jupiter runs just fine on 0.98.1 beta and it ran fine on 0.99 since release until today, when I found it running with all die #0 offline so i switched back to 0.98.1 beta. Just the 2 Saturns seems to have been affected. They still run "ok" with only die #0 offline on 0.98.
By the way, both PSU's are getting power from the same line.
yep, ouch. single rails provide much cleaner power and are able to supply the extra amperage during the spikes in hashrate... and two 1500watt supplies on a 20 amp circuit is not so good either...(20 amps x 110v = 2200 watt max per 20 amp circuit, (or in EU...220v x 10amp = 2200watt)and you are saying there is more than two jupiters on that circuit?....I really think it's your power situation now for sure...

No, it's one Jupiter and 2 Saturns. The line is EU (220V), my house also has the "tri-phasic" circuit, I'm a total noob about that I have no idea what kind of line I'm currently using Smiley Anyways, the issues only appeared after the 0.99 FW, they ran just fine before that on 0.98.1 (fine meaning getting all dies on at high temps).
Here's a screenshot of the miner at start-up on 0.98.1 now: http://imgur.com/VHqBUf6. The other Saturn is even more weird, it starts normally, it powers up all dies once enough temp is achieved and after a while, it just starts turning off almost all cores on the 2nd ASIC (same asic affected on the other Saturn).
Again, they both run just fine on 0.98, of course with die #0 turned off: http://imgur.com/LbzqRIM
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Owner, Minersource.net
November 25, 2013, 12:56:42 PM
None of the 4 for my GB's have shipped Sad, but glad to hear they are working on it!
legendary
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LIR DEV
November 25, 2013, 12:53:35 PM
https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-68
 All,

Just a quick note to say that the factory started producing the November boxes today and 100 have already left via UPS.

We will ramp up production over night and over the next few days. We aim to have all the November boxes shipped before the end of the month.

Thanks

KnC Team
Sweeeeeeeeeeeeet!
full member
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November 25, 2013, 12:52:17 PM
https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-68
 All,

Just a quick note to say that the factory started producing the November boxes today and 100 have already left via UPS.

We will ramp up production over night and over the next few days. We aim to have all the November boxes shipped before the end of the month.

Thanks

KnC Team
legendary
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LIR DEV
November 25, 2013, 12:51:38 PM
yep, ouch. single rails provide much cleaner power and are able to supply the extra amperage during the spikes in hashrate... and two 1500watt supplies on a 20 amp circuit is not so good either...(20 amps x 110v = 2200 watt max per 20 amp circuit, (or in EU...220v x 10amp = 2200watt)and you are saying there is more than two jupiters on that circuit?....I really think it's your power situation now for sure...

I think these 'spikes in hashrate' you see is just variance.  The chips run at a constant speed.

Variance does not cause your miner to draw more or less current.
Okay spikes are variance....?  yes... and what causes that variance?...who knows...have you used a kil-o-watt to see that what you are saying is correct? Yours stay rock-solid on a single wattage reading? Mine don't. The reading on mine at the wall goes up & down in direct correlation with the variance...   and when I had them on a "Shared circuit"  it was terribly obvious the other things going on were effecting it when the kil-o-watt dropped when other things were used in the house, like microwave oven, coffee pot, toaster, aircon, etc....   That's just my observations here, which is why I say that.
You can even watch bertmod to verify what I'm saying.... the vrm output goes up & down with hashrate as well
My VRM's are  outputting a FULL 12v, @ 50amps now btw... and if I said how...Edgar would complain.... but it has to do with temps and clean, unwavering, unlimited power....
newbie
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November 25, 2013, 12:44:22 PM
Ours are made by Alchip.....is that the same as altera?

I do know our controller board has an Altera fpga on it... this article is more focused on 20nm in general.  

Also according to this article "Advanced Micro Devices said Thursday that it would tape out the first products to be manufactured using 14nm FinFET and 20nm planar process technologies in the coming quarters."

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20131017231002_AMD_to_Tape_Out_First_20nm_14nm_FinFET_Chips_Within_Next_Two_Quarters.html

A quick summary is that even AMD has not yet taped out a 20nm product... and dont even plan on bringing any 20nm products to market in 2014.  This is big news once again if KnC can pull it off!!!
sr. member
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legendary
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November 25, 2013, 12:40:44 PM
yep, ouch. single rails provide much cleaner power and are able to supply the extra amperage during the spikes in hashrate... and two 1500watt supplies on a 20 amp circuit is not so good either...(20 amps x 110v = 2200 watt max per 20 amp circuit, (or in EU...220v x 10amp = 2200watt)and you are saying there is more than two jupiters on that circuit?....I really think it's your power situation now for sure...

I think these 'spikes in hashrate' you see is just variance.  The chips run at a constant speed.

Variance does not cause your miner to draw more or less current.
legendary
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November 25, 2013, 12:39:19 PM
O'rama, be nice: can you give us a hint of hashrate? What kind of ASIC will it be?
legendary
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LIR DEV
November 25, 2013, 12:38:17 PM


No details. Coming SoonTM

Wow!  20nm AND early 2014!

That MUST be the "incoming news" announcement from 'orama.

Bingo!

...An interesting read regarding this announcement(albeit from 2012)...

http://www.altera.com/technology/system-design/articles/2012/20nm-systems-era.html
Ours are made by Alchip & AST.....is that the same as altera?
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legendary
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LIR DEV
November 25, 2013, 12:35:30 PM
The power line could be the problem indeed. As for PSU I'm using 2 X Enermax Maxrevo 1500W (gold), one powering the Jupiter, the other powering the 2 saturns. They have 4 12V rails available for PCI-e and I simply use one rail for each module.
My Jupiter runs just fine on 0.98.1 beta and it ran fine on 0.99 since release until today, when I found it running with all die #0 offline so i switched back to 0.98.1 beta. Just the 2 Saturns seems to have been affected. They still run "ok" with only die #0 offline on 0.98.
By the way, both PSU's are getting power from the same line.
yep, ouch. single rails provide much cleaner power and are able to supply the extra amperage during the spikes in hashrate... and two 1500watt supplies on a 20 amp circuit is not so good either...(20 amps x 110v = 2200 watt max per 20 amp circuit, (or in EU...220v x 10amp = 2200watt)and you are saying there is more than two jupiters on that circuit?....I really think it's your power situation now for sure...
hero member
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November 25, 2013, 12:34:44 PM
Anyone got a November tracking no besides the one mentioned in KNC Forums?

Not yet, thought mine would be today.
May I ask your order no? Mine is 70xx.

I don't have one. I am a reseller. I'm in no rush, nor complaining, just thought it would be today for some reason, hahaha. I am naturally quite an optimistic guy.


I've seen a few 7's that have received the notification today. Is anyone going to start a shipping thread on here like the Oct one?
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