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So, he wants a lot of money and a lot of time to MAYBE deliver the product someday? what a great deal.. 

Greg, I want you to know that we are all here for you and Christian to get help with your drug problem.  There is hope.  Once you get done with all the litigation filed against you by your investors and the SEC, we can work on getting you the shock therapy that you so desperately need.


What misinformation?  It's a legally provable fact, one that you've admitted on video, that you committed gross malfeasance against AMP holders and Synereo LTD equity investors.


Listen up nitwit, the reason people gave you money was because they expected a return on their investment.  Nobody gives a crap about your stupid, hippie "non-profit company".  You want to "protect the commons", but don't give a damn about protecting AMP holder and Synereo LTD equity investor value.  You know, those people whose money you want.  You were and still are an employee of Synereo LTD.  You do not get to decide "who" owns your work.  The company and its shareholders decide what happens to it.


The ONLY plan you should be following is the one to increase shareholder value.  Newsflash, you do not get to take money from people and use it to fund your own personal vision.


That's your opinion.  It's my opinion and the opinion of many other investors and AMP holders that your "multi-coin approach" will debase and devalue our investment.  It is also our opinion that your proposal for RChain is unfeasible.  Your current code doesn't even work in a truly decentralized manner.  Why should we believe that you can deliver on a much more complicated vision?  Do you actually think that people believe that you care about their money when you hold them as financial hostages via your actions, because you have a personal disagreement with Dor and the rest of the company?


That's a bunch of bullshit Greg.  You went along with the sale with the full intent that if you didn't get your way, you would make all the investors pay, financially, by destroying the value of their investments, until everyone gave in to your demands for control of our money and the company.  If you had so many disagreements with Dor and couldn't stand to work with him, you should NOT have gone through with the sale.  Period.  Dor, who is the CEO, has the right and responsibility to change his mind about governance or anything when it comes to protecting shareholder value and guess what?  You have to abide by it or you're fired.  You have NO legal power to unanimously declare that you're going to "follow your plan" which entails leaving, starting up another company, and attempting to force us all to fund you with what is tantamount to financial blackmail.  This is called malfeasance, fraud, and malintent.  You are solely responsible for it as it was your actions alone which led to this outcome.


Who do you think you are?  When you sold shares, YOU became an employee for the SHAREHOLDERS.  You do not get to dictate or demand your own funding levels.  You work on what you are told to work on and you deliver or you are FIRED!  You do not have the right to go public with internal personal disputes or disagreements with the intention of harming your shareholders just because you do not get the funding you want or "think you need".

You are the one airing your personal grievances in unofficial channels with people who silence and kick/ban others.


You made it public in an attempt to force our hand to give you further funds by putting everyone's investments in jeopardy from your actions.  You're not fooling anyone.


You're NOT getting any more of our money.


It's very telling that you posted this in this old thread and NOT in the official, unmoderated Synereo thread.  I guess you didn't want to show your face in there, because everyone is screaming for your head, so you come here and try to get some support.  You won't even face those who you've caused financial harm.  You're a real piece of work.

You've got less than 96 hours to commit more acts of malfeasance against your former supporters and investors until you're gone.  Nobody likes you and nobody trusts you.  You are solely responsible for the financial damage that has been done to US, AMP holders and Synereo LTD equity investors, and you have committed these acts against US when you were a "board member" and "chief officer" responsible for looking out for our best interests.  I know and you know that you are personally liable.  I'll state it right here and right now that I WANT YOU OUT ON YOUR ASS ASAP!

Yes, Greg claims it will take $10M USD and five to ten years to produce workable code.  The best part is that he wants all the AMP holders and Synereo LTD equity investors to fund him while debasing and devaluing our investments.  The guy's a complete nut job.

wasnt greg who said it wasnt possible to deliver Rchain with the current money raised?
I just dont know any more what is FUD and what is real.

Following up on Greg's recent post.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.17108811

There will be an RChain project hangout today at 11:00 PST: https://zoom.us/j/2522161381

A correct link to the Synereo RChain Architecture document, version 0.8 draft:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xmRvAjJEQ72-sR9luS34TG0BOpPn_6ztZjYBFCByKxo

Synereo Slack: synereonet.slack.com  Join via http://slack.synereo.com. 
RChain Slack: ourchain.slack.com  Join by sending request to lgreg.meredith gmail.com with "Request to join RChain Slack" in the subject.

Perfect!
a few developers doesnt seem to give the right attention to BCT and this is a very important place to any crypto. Like it or not, a lot of investors come from here and will search for information around here.

Dev teams should really be more active around here. that could avoid this hole crash in synereo price

"Make no mistake. i will work on and deliver RChain and the attention economy to the community, regardless of what happens between Dor and myself. i owe this to investors and to the community."


That part sounds like an important statement that could restore a lot of faith in AMP. If you meant specifically the SYN community.

Best to post here more often. A lot of ALT coin investors get a lot of their information from here.

I like the sound of we'll give it out to the commons for free I just hope investors realised this was going to be the case upon investing.

This post you've just made I think will at the least help some to gain some new insights. I presumed the Rchain was to be your property alone not free for all.

Would it not be better to say Rchain will be the sole property of synerio but that other projects can use subject to approval and perhaps tiny license fee? Then you would more likely get the funding needed from synerio?

Or are you saying that all that use Rchain will already be contributing to AMPs value in some way. Even dating sites using it etc?

Hello! This is Greg Meredith (full name Lucius = light, Gregory = vigilant, Meredith = watcher of the sea; all of which means Lighthouse).

i don't frequent this forum, but i know that a lot of misinformation has been spread here. i want to take some time to lay out the case for your involvement, get you informed and show how you can help.

First of all, the Chain architecture that we promoted during the sale was agreed by Dor, Ed Eykholt, myself, and many others of the team. When the first draft of the architecture was produced, Dor insisted that it be renamed the Synereo architecture. This is a matter of record, and Ed Eykholt will testify to this.

Second of all, the architecture was part of an overall organizational plan that always included creating a non-profit company. The point of this company was to protect the commons. The RChain, itself, can be the basis many social applications, from jobs applications to dating applications - not just social network applications.

Moreover, it constitutes an alternative VM to the EVM, that runs on the blockchain. So, it's effectively a global scale smart contracting system with very specific features that would improve upon the EVM and provide scaling as well as correctness. Both of these come from embracing concurrency. They are talked about in our article on the rholang contracting language and how it prevents bugs like the DAO bug from ever being deployed /https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sGlObhGhoEizBXC30Ww4h1KHKGkmcy4NiCKitIBqiUg/edit?usp=sharing!

So, this is technology that rightfully belongs in the commons and should be protected as the commons, and so Synereo made the determination, just like Ethereum did, that we should and would set up a non-profit to protect that for all, but especially to ensure a vibrant ecosystem of applications that would create additional value for the attention economy. Thus, starting RChain Coop was not Greg splitting off, but Greg following the plan, as even MalthusJohn of the Synereo team, has repeatedly stated in the Synereo slack channel quite recently.

The claim that on RChain the AMP is devalued is also inaccurate. The whole idea of the multi-coin approach of RChain where eventually other coins can be exchanged for phlogiston (which plays the same role as gas in the EVM), is that it begins to piggyback on the other coins distribution network, while concentrating social value of the AMP in the attention economy layer. (See the architecture document. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xmRvAjJEQ72-sR9luS34TG0BOpPn_6ztZjYBFCByKxo/edit#heading=h.lr5urui9mldf ). The salient point is that AMPs alone are useful in the attention economy. Thus, if a dapp developer makes a dapp that uses a different coin, to make it social, using the service level contracts of the attention economy, their dapp is also tethered to AMPs, and thus, the other coins their dapp uses becomes entangled with AMPs. This greatly increases the reach and ultimately the value of AMPs.

These are all very positive developments. Regarding the less positive developments, Dor has stated on this forum that our differences prior to the sale were not major. This is false. Here's a letter from Eric Blomquist stating the time frame around when our differences were becoming problematic.

"... I can so comprehensively empathize with both your position and with Dor's position. The ugliness of your relationship that Dina and I so consistently experienced and foolheartedly thought we might be able to assist with while we were still in New Zealand (in March/April of this year) was laid bare for all to see publicly yesterday. Mediation and meditation has failed, your suggestion made in the middle of University Ave in Palo Alto this summer to split the endeavor should be heeded. What are you waiting for?"

The only reason i went along with the sale was that Dor gave me verbal and written assurances that my requirements for governances changes that would prevent the mess we are currently in would be addressed in a timely manner. There are eyewitnesses that have already testified to this on video. He didn't follow through. We went into mediation, and he still didn't follow through. So, i went public.

Dor, pretending to act on behalf of all of Synereo, has proposed a funding level for RChain that constitutes failure to deliver on its promises to investors. It is not a workable budget as the video'd budget reviews expose. (See the RChain youtube channel.) i made a counter proposal that Dor censored from the announcements channel of the Synereo slack.

Make no mistake. i will work on and deliver RChain and the attention economy to the community, regardless of what happens between Dor and myself. i owe this to investors and to the community. The issue here is that Dor is not deploying the funds in a way that matches the promises made to investors. Dor is lying in public and Dor is censoring the debate. Ask yourself, is this the sort of ethics and culture you want in your decentralized social network? This is what happens right at the very beginning before the existing alpha code becomes beta and you start having sensitive information in the network. How will it be later?

This is why i am making all this public. First of all vigorous debate is good! Second of all, scrutiny and diligence on your investment is good! This is why i have made it a point to hold weekly meetings in video show the work we are doing, give team updates and answer questions from investors. Its why the code is open source, and everyone has been encourage to download and try out the alpha. My work has always been very public and scrutinized, and the core algorithms peer reviewed in high profile conferences. So, focusing attention and making people really take a look at their investment is great! But the most important point of all is one of ethics. Is this the social network of making a quick buck, of trading AMPs on inside knowledge of how things are going inside Synereo, or is this the social network that belongs to the people? Because, if this does belong to the people, then censorship and pivots from promises to investors have no place in it.

Moving forward, if Dor does not want to accept the amendment to the counter proposal i submitted, and at least devote half of the funds investors wanted to go to RChain to the effort, then i suggest we split the coin, following Vlad Zamfiri's quite excellent and well thought out proposal.

How can you help? Reach out to others in the community and help them get informed. Reach out to shareholders, andy@synereo, James and Gigi at NFX, Simon Dixon at BttF, and Dor. Let them know your preferences. State in a clear and loud voice what you want for your network.

If you have any questions, i am always available. Don't hesitate to reach out. i'm leithaus on by synereonet.slack.com and rchain.slack.com. i'm here to serve.

Peace,

--greg

Well, well, well, TPTB_need_war has been vindicated!

Sockpuppet accounts now?  Rly?  Is this an expression of your multiple personality disorder?

I have explained many topics much more complex than process calculi in laymen's terms.

Stop making excuses.

Or continue making excuses. I really don't care. Synereo is going no where. We'll compare results a year from now.

The bottom line is very simple here: this is not a debate, and if you have a specific question, the answer will be provided.

Once we have something uncovered, that you understand, and have a counter-argument for, then we could have a debate on it.

Hint: explaining quantum mechanics in a sound byte is not an explanation at all, it's just a few comfort words that make people feel lees secluded from that knowledge.  Understanding comes from study, and the more complex the subject, the more you have to learn before you can even compile a legitimate question.  Asking for a non-expert explanation, to be used as supporting evidence, is futile.  You seem to want to hover around the expert level, seeking to "disprove" something, yet demand laymen's terms, free of expertise, so that you can understand.  This is your contradiction; are you seeking to learn, or disprove?

I haven't seen any questions here that show you've tried to learn & understand.

I see you and the other idiot SynereoCommunity are good at mindless ping pong:

That's questionable.

An AMPs investment security that is not "worthwhile" is still an investment security.

I'll be quoting this in the thread for future SEC investigations since you are disingenuously misrepresenting the facts to intentionally promote an unregistered investment security to n00b USA investors on this forum.


Provide a link to all the complete written specifications written in terminology and explanation that non-process calculi experts can analyze. This has not been provided.

Handwaving in video Hangouts is irrelevant and is the way you disingenuously mislead the n00bs speculators here.

Face it dude, you aren't going to win a debate about truth with me, because I am on the right side of truth and you are not. And I am smart enough to unweave your manipulative words.


I mean of course in the context of my prior comments that SpecialK may have no bearing on whether this Synereo system as a whole will function without game theory failure as a whole. One can't apply what is true about a component as evidence of what is true about an amalgamation of components w.r.t. to game theory. Duh!

There is nothing ad hominem in my statements. I speak only to the facts (and the lack of written non-technobabble, non-handwaving facts providers by Synereo) of the matter.

Notice how when you start with the fact that AMPs are not an investment, you don't have an argument?

The technical details have been made available anyway, and every week, you have a chance at asking Greg whatever question you want.  If you read the explanation, and don't understand something, you have to come and ask questions.  You can't just say it's someone else's fault that you haven't learned.



Of course it has bearing, it's a content delivery network - that's what it does.  They are not simply components, they are the foundation, and the tech stack that does the work.

You need to learn at least enough to be able to voice your specific questions, if you have doubts.

Ad hominem attacks are not going to get you there.

Stop wasting everyone's time with your ridiculous allegations.  Nobody takes you seriously.  Your stupid "Jambox" will be a total failure just like you are.

With that strawman statement which does not address the points of the Howey test, you obviously do not comprehend the thread that was provided to you. You probably didn't even read it or read it carefully.


No one understands the details including yourself. For if you did, you would explain it here in sufficient technical detail so as to be unambiguous statements.

You are BS and you know it.


You are referring to components of the system such as Special K or Microsoft's use of process calculi, but the devil is in the details. This usage of some components of his research has no bearing on whether any of this is applicable to Synereo. Without the details, we can't tell you exactly why you are wrong.

And you certainly don't know the technical details either.

Any way, I don't have more time to waste on your nonsense.


Sue me in the USA (which is the only jurisdiction which you can enforce on me). Hahaha. So we can go in court and talk about selling illegal unregistered investment securities. There is nothing slander nor libel in demanding proper disclosure with all the technical details explained so that laymen investors can evaluate if this AMP token is a worthwhile investment.

Any way, this is all a waste of my time because Synereo will fall and JAMBOX will not. And JAMBOX isn't selling and hyping tokens. Talk to me again in 6 - 9 months. Until then, any thing other than technical details from you is hot air.

Lol, Synereo with a $9 million marketcap and only $0.016 million ($16,000) of probably fake (insiders buying from themselves) daily volume. You snakeoil salesmen having a hard time getting fools to buy this fake market cap now.

Again, you coming to some imagined conclusion in your mind is not law.  Even if you're speculation turns out right, your claims are still wrong.  If a court case or new law sets a new precedent, future cases can be brought, but not from the past.

Alt currencies are not investments in the eyes of existing law anyway.



If you are the guy who doesn't get it, and almost everyone else does, then you should look in the mirror first, before claiming the teacher is "handwaving".

It's just a baseless claim, chosen so others are not supposed to be able to argue against it without their own instructor certified level of understanding.


It has been in commercial operation for a couple years.  Your approval is not needed.
Also keep in mind that he works from a computationally correct basis - this is as good as proof of concept in this context.  In order to 'verify' it, you need to learn those specific maths.  Without that, you cannot verify it for yourself, and everything said about it will be above your head.


So, again, please cease and desist with the negative misinformation and claims.
Ask your father for a refresher on Libel & Slander.

The Synereo devs want your opinion as to whether AMPs should remain on the Omni protocol during Beta testing or switch over to the Ethereum blockchain.  Go over to the Synereo thread in Altcoin Discussions to let them know what you think.