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Quote from: sandiman on April 04, 2016, 08:53:31 AM

This is the issue we are facing here with every coin, including Bitcoin. there probability of being used by a broad population is very low, but as bitcoin showed and still showing, as times passe the latter probability increase.
Don't forget that we are speaking about a disruptive innovation here, that is better in all ways that what we currently use.

Bitcoin started with a niche use case.

Synereo will go no where without one. Ditto every other altcoin.

… hence all the "it's not money, it's something else"/Blockchain as a Service-coins popping up, like ETH, Lisk, Waves and so on. I'm curious to see where this is going.

Yeah but those niches need to actually work technically and exist. We've done a thorough job of destructing ETH in the Ethereum Paradox thread. I did an initial analysis of Synereo's niche and afaics is based on flawed concepts such as the value of paying social network users to share which I think is entirely undesired and uneconomic for the same reason that ads have a reputation of being mostly spam (linked upthread).

I don't know enough about Lisk and Waves to comment meaningfully on them.

Well, if you take it all together, you can see that something is cooking...

r0ach, smooth, I, and some others think the only killer app of blockchains is probably currency because of the self-referential requirement of what a block chain can reach consensus on securely. Thus technically we think all the other crap won't work, unless it is using a centralized block chain and then what is the point of that?

Bitcoin locked up large $ transfers. Monero has locked up anonymity. I am going after micro-transactions.

To be honest, I don't understand this statement. Maybe I'm missing some parts of the thought process, part of it might be a language barrier. Anyhow:
While this might be nitpicking, I think representing non-monetary value is a valid idea for blockchain tech as well; basically like stocks or shares.

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Quote from: sandiman on April 04, 2016, 10:25:27 AM

we don't need to speak about Synereo strategy differenciation in details here to point its relevance in the market: getting paid to do what you do with facebook.

(snip)

tsu.co is trying just that. I have an account there that I use to communicate with exactly one person. From what I've seen so far, paying people for using their social network dramatically decreases the quality of the content, plus, increases reposts, at least if you base earnings on activity.

Are users joining Tsu because of the revenue or because of the lack of ad spam? I presume it is the latter and an ideological motivation to support a social network that will stop spamming them and lowering the quality of the social network experience. The compelling niche in this case are those who hate ad spam enough to lose all their Facebook contacts, which frankly is apparently not most people.

(snip)

Their main advertisement point is the first point, actually. Which leads to a kind of "grassroots" ad spam, people posting the same thing over and over again, low quality/big quantity posts, generic comments, stuff like that. And there are sponsored posts, which are basically ads.

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Quote from: TPTB_need_war on April 04, 2016, 11:50:16 PM

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TPTB, using a social network doesn't equate to "working". You are miscorrelating the two. You are correct in the fact that people share for much more valuable reason than ad revenue. That fact leads me to ask, "Wouldn't you rather use a social network which rewarded you for your participation instead of a centralized entity?"

I am not "miscorrelating" any thing here. Earning miniscule revenue for sharing isn't a compelling feature.

I think you are underestimating the compellingness of that feature. People on social networks constantly "share, like, pin" things, events, artists, etc with their friends. Who wouldn't prefer to earn revenue for their activity, regardless of how minuscule, instead of it going towards a centralized corporation like Facebook or Twitter? Eventually over time, I imagine that it will add up to more than you think.

You apparently don't understand marketing. Let me try to teach.

The key motivation you are tapping into is the ideological desire to prevent that revenue from going to the centralized behemoth which then abuses the best interests of the users— not the irrelevant individual income. People are not going to be swayed as to whether to share or not share based on the offer of that miniscule income, and in fact it will be insulting to many.

So the users have the ideological motivation, but when it comes down to it, they prioritize what is convenient, efficient, and serves real needs they have, such as contacting mom and cousins on Facebook. That is the hurdle the the irrelevant income offer doesn't solve.

This is where we differ. You think people will perceive the income as irrelevant where as I do not. Even if they earn enough money to purchase a few meals out a year, I think they will be motivated to join and retake control of their personal online presence. Most people do not solely rely on Facebook to keep in close contact with their family members. It is more of a causal liaison point for posting pictures and such. Imo, changing over to another social network isn't that big of a hurdle for most users, especially when they will be transferring their information not only to a social network, but a social sharing platform which will host not only Synereo, the social network, but also a plethora of other online social software.

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Quote from: TPTB_need_war on April 04, 2016, 09:34:17 PM

I haven't seen any compelling feature or niche articulated for Synereo. I've read a 50+ page Synereo white paper of technobabble about process calculi.

You don't think that at the very least being free to speak your mind without Facebook / Twitter censors is a compelling feature?

I think it is ideologically perking, but it is not a feature that users will give up their existing contacts and vested inertia in Facebook for.

Users have a finite cognitive and time resource which they allocate to the highest priorities in their lives.

How do you explain MySpace losing market share to Facebook?

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Quote from: DecentralizeEconomics on April 04, 2016, 10:38:55 PM

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Quote from: DecentralizeEconomics on April 04, 2016, 04:27:27 PM

TPTB, using a social network doesn't equate to "working". You are miscorrelating the two. You are correct in the fact that people share for much more valuable reason than ad revenue. That fact leads me to ask, "Wouldn't you rather use a social network which rewarded you for your participation instead of a centralized entity?"

I am not "miscorrelating" any thing here. Earning miniscule revenue for sharing isn't a compelling feature.

I think you are underestimating the compellingness of that feature. People on social networks constantly "share, like, pin" things, events, artists, etc with their friends. Who wouldn't prefer to earn revenue for their activity, regardless of how minuscule, instead of it going towards a centralized corporation like Facebook or Twitter? Eventually over time, I imagine that it will add up to more than you think.

You apparently don't understand marketing. Let me try to teach.

The key motivation you are tapping into is the ideological desire to prevent that revenue from going to the centralized behemoth which then abuses the best interests of the users— not the irrelevant individual income. People are not going to be swayed as to whether to share or not share based on the offer of that miniscule income, and in fact it will be insulting to many.

So the users have the ideological motivation, but when it comes down to it, they prioritize what is convenient, efficient, and serves real needs they have, such as contacting mom and cousins on Facebook. That is the hurdle the the irrelevant income offer doesn't solve.

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Quote from: TPTB_need_war on April 04, 2016, 09:34:17 PM

I haven't seen any compelling feature or niche articulated for Synereo. I've read a 50+ page Synereo white paper of technobabble about process calculi.

You don't think that at the very least being free to speak your mind without Facebook / Twitter censors is a compelling feature?

I think it is ideologically perking, but it is not a feature that users will give up their existing contacts and vested inertia in Facebook for.

Users have a finite cognitive and time resource which they allocate to the highest priorities in their lives.

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Quote from: TPTB_need_war on April 04, 2016, 09:34:17 PM

Quote from: DecentralizeEconomics on April 04, 2016, 04:27:27 PM

TPTB, using a social network doesn't equate to "working". You are miscorrelating the two. You are correct in the fact that people share for much more valuable reason than ad revenue. That fact leads me to ask, "Wouldn't you rather use a social network which rewarded you for your participation instead of a centralized entity?"

I am not "miscorrelating" any thing here. Earning miniscule revenue for sharing isn't a compelling feature.

I think you are underestimating the compellingness of that feature. People on social networks constantly "share, like, pin" things, events, artists, etc with their friends. Who wouldn't prefer to earn revenue for their activity, regardless of how minuscule, instead of it going towards a centralized corporation like Facebook or Twitter? Eventually over time, I imagine that it will add up to more than you think.

Quote from: TPTB_need_war on April 04, 2016, 09:34:17 PM

I haven't seen any compelling feature or niche articulated for Synereo. I've read a 50+ page Synereo white paper of technobabble about process calculi.

You don't think that at the very least being free to speak your mind without Facebook / Twitter censors is a compelling feature?

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Quote from: DecentralizeEconomics on April 04, 2016, 04:27:27 PM

TPTB, using a social network doesn't equate to "working". You are miscorrelating the two. You are correct in the fact that people share for much more valuable reason than ad revenue. That fact leads me to ask, "Wouldn't you rather use a social network which rewarded you for your participation instead of a centralized entity?"

I am not "miscorrelating" any thing here. Earning miniscule revenue for sharing isn't a compelling feature.

I haven't seen any compelling feature or niche articulated for Synereo. I've read a 50+ page Synereo white paper of technobabble about process calculi.

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Quote from: MadCow on April 04, 2016, 08:11:06 PM

Quote from: Monerobuyer0 on April 04, 2016, 07:10:40 PM

Synereo is the new ripple. Mostly controlled by devs, incredibly inflated market cap. Current buyers are going to get destroyed.

Synereo has a more professional public image than most alt coins, like Ripple, and lots of coins still to distribute, like Ripple.

Because of Greg Meredith's process calculus math Huh

Because they presold AMPs for vaporware and zero adoption Huh

Because they are doing an ostensibly illegal, unregistered investment securities ICO Huh

Math isn't marketing. Soon all my haters and doubters will learn a lesson about disrespecting experience.

Quote from: MadCow on April 04, 2016, 08:11:06 PM

The conclusion that current buyers will get destroyed doesn't follow though.

Agreed. P&Ds work well here when we are in a positive market. If the market for Bitcoin shifts into selloff, then so will the altcoins.

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Quote from: MadCow on April 04, 2016, 07:01:29 PM

maybe Synereo's niche use case will be crypto-tech community. similar to college kids for FB

You don't buy steel toe work boots to play basketball.

The community here wants to earn profit on easy P&Ds, not the arduous slough of using a new social network which they don't have any use case for. Why should a speculator waste his time trying to be a user of a social network when he can make 100X more money buying low and selling high by simply lying to fools in this forum. You would have to make decentralized social network use more profitable than lying.

Good luck on that. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Monerobuyer0 on April 04, 2016, 07:10:40 PM

Synereo is the new ripple. Mostly controlled by devs, incredibly inflated market cap. Current buyers are going to get destroyed.

Synereo has a more professional public image than most alt coins, like Ripple, and lots of coins still to distribute, like Ripple. That is true. The conclusion that current buyers will get destroyed doesn't follow though. Marketcap of 20M is still peanuts compared to the potential of elevator pitch 'decentralized facebook'. Even if Synereo fails I see it going a lot higher than 30k, so current buyers probably wont get destroyed but might sell for good profit.

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Synereo is the new ripple. Mostly controlled by devs, incredibly inflated market cap. Current buyers are going to get destroyed.

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Quote from: sandiman on April 04, 2016, 08:53:31 AM

This is the issue we are facing here with every coin, including Bitcoin. there probability of being used by a broad population is very low, but as bitcoin showed and still showing, as times passe the latter probability increase.
Don't forget that we are speaking about a disruptive innovation here, that is better in all ways that what we currently use.

Bitcoin started with a niche use case.

Synereo will go no where without one. Ditto every other altcoin.

maybe Synereo's niche use case will be crypto-tech community. similar to college kids for FB

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Quote from: sandiman on April 04, 2016, 10:38:57 AM

Let's suppose that one day Synereo provide exactly the same as facebook exept that users get rewarded by using the social network

I already documented the economics of that. Ad revenue would never pay enough to motivate users to share. They share for much more valuable reasons. No one is going to work for $1 to $10 per day. Ads in developing countries pay less, because people spend less.

Get back when you have a research not your own understandings. But for now ~~GTFO~~ keep envying the success of Synereo it makes me laugh.

TPTB, using a social network doesn't equate to "working". You are miscorrelating the two. You are correct in the fact that people share for much more valuable reason than ad revenue. That fact leads me to ask, "Wouldn't you rather use a social network which rewarded you for your participation instead of a centralized entity?"

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Quote from: sandiman on April 04, 2016, 10:38:57 AM

(without speaking about huge privacy issues in centralised social networks), isn't that enough for people to switch to Synereo ?

No. That is what the past experiments of many decentralized attempts have shown.

It's so jerk to think if one failed you shouldn't even try. Actually every new attempt brings new experience and makes it better. So something will replace Facebook eventually just like Facebook did to MySpace.

Exactly. Nothing lasts forever. Trends change, businesses change, and so do social networks.

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Quote from: TPTB_need_war on April 04, 2016, 11:46:08 AM

Quote from: sandiman on April 04, 2016, 10:38:57 AM

Let's suppose that one day Synereo provide exactly the same as facebook exept that users get rewarded by using the social network

I already documented the economics of that. Ad revenue would never pay enough to motivate users to share. They share for much more valuable reasons. No one is going to work for $1 to $10 per day. Ads in developing countries pay less, because people spend less.

Get back when you have a research not your own understandings. But for now ~~GTFO~~ keep envying the success of Synereo it makes me laugh.

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Quote from: sandiman on April 04, 2016, 10:38:57 AM

(without speaking about huge privacy issues in centralised social networks), isn't that enough for people to switch to Synereo ?

No. That is what the past experiments of many decentralized attempts have shown.

It's so jerk to think if one failed you shouldn't even try. Actually every new attempt brings new experience and makes it better. So something will replace Facebook eventually just like Facebook did to MySpace.

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Quote from: sandiman on April 04, 2016, 10:25:27 AM

we don't need to speak about Synereo strategy differenciation in details here to point its relevance in the market: getting paid to do what you do with facebook.

(snip)

tsu.co is trying just that. I have an account there that I use to communicate with exactly one person. From what I've seen so far, paying people for using their social network dramatically decreases the quality of the content, plus, increases reposts, at least if you base earnings on activity.

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Quote from: sandiman on April 04, 2016, 10:38:57 AM

Let's suppose that one day Synereo provide exactly the same as facebook exept that users get rewarded by using the social network

I already documented the economics of that. Ad revenue would never pay enough to motivate users to share. They share for much more valuable reasons. No one is going to work for $1 to $10 per day. Ads in developing countries pay less, because people spend less.

Quote from: sandiman on April 04, 2016, 10:38:57 AM

(without speaking about huge privacy issues in centralised social networks), isn't that enough for people to switch to Synereo ?

No. That is what the past experiments of many decentralized attempts have shown.

Quote from: sandiman on April 04, 2016, 10:38:57 AM

Moreover, the russian social network Odnoklassniki got destroyed by facebook and Vkontakte which did not provide added value, which annile your point of needing a niche.

Facebook won because it had more users or Odnoklassniki won because of Russian language niche and Russian culture focus. This proves the point of why you can't beat Facebook at its own game. You have to have an untapped demanded niche.

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Quote from: TPTB_need_war on April 04, 2016, 10:28:08 AM

Quote from: sandiman on April 04, 2016, 10:25:27 AM

we don't need to speak about Synereo strategy differenciation in details here to point its relevance in the market: getting paid to do what you do with facebook. Even if it would just try to kill facebook, we could consider facebook as a pre-paragmatic design and Synereo as a paragmatic design of social network (even thought an improved design could be created). If you would go to war, would you use the old first WW weapon design or the latest weapon design of war against ISIS ? I made my choice. Roll Eyes

I repeat you need a niche to scale up against Facebook, else no one will even bother to use Synereo.

Quote from: -Greed- on April 04, 2016, 10:26:59 AM

I've read your post (fartbags, please re-login) and there was nothing but your doubts that mean no thing.

Thanks in advance for your detailed rebuttals of each of my detailed points at the linked thread. Until then, your hot air is as useless as fartbags.

Let's suppose that one day Synereo provide exactly the same as facebook exept that users get rewarded by using the social network (without speaking about huge privacy issues in centralised social networks), isn't that enough for people to switch to Synereo ?
Moreover, the russian social network Odnoklassniki got destroyed by facebook and Vkontakte which did not provide added value, which annile your point of needing a niche.

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Quote from: sandiman on April 04, 2016, 10:25:27 AM

we don't need to speak about Synereo strategy differenciation in details here to point its relevance in the market: getting paid to do what you do with facebook. Even if it would just try to kill facebook, we could consider facebook as a pre-paragmatic design and Synereo as a paragmatic design of social network (even thought an improved design could be created). If you would go to war, would you use the old first WW weapon design or the latest weapon design of war against ISIS ? I made my choice. Roll Eyes

I repeat you need a niche to scale up against Facebook, else no one will even bother to use Synereo.

Quote from: -Greed- on April 04, 2016, 10:26:59 AM

I've read your post (fartbags, please re-login) and there was nothing but your doubts that mean no thing.

Thanks in advance for your detailed rebuttals of each of my detailed points at the linked thread. Until then, your hot air is as useless as fartbags.

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Quote from: TPTB_need_war on April 04, 2016, 05:53:12 AM

Quote from: -Greed- on April 04, 2016, 05:45:40 AM

Quote from: TPTB_need_war on April 04, 2016, 01:38:15 AM

You'll find links to my analysis in the other Synereo thread.

Why do you think it won't work? What chops are needed? You said nothing but 'I know...'.

I answered you already as quoted above, but you are obviously blind or simply a disingenuous asshat.

I've read your post (fartbags, please re-login) and there was nothing but your doubts that mean no thing.

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