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Quote from: LittleBitFunny on March 20, 2022, 12:04:48 PM

Teams playing international cricket with imported players on their team tell a story about how popular cricket actually is around the world.

The truth is, the young generation are not interested in cricket in these areas of the world. and in some countries where cricket was seeing some light and was competing in bigger tournaments, the love for cricket suddenly seemed to vanish.

at this moment they don't seem to be having any scene of cricket in their country. and obviously, parents are not going to let their child do something where their future is not secured.

You are completely wrong that now peoples are not interested in this game cricket now with new formats of T10 and T20 it's spreading very quickly in different regions, and we have some good number of countries coming, but sadly it's not easy for them to adopt this all very quickly it needs time in some cases this can take nearly one decade so giving statements like this is not right even we can say things like these are having not good consequence's for this game and ICC need to take some good and solid decisions about this.

But, surely right now in this sports body no one interested in this case because they can lose some good things which are not favorable right now so it is spreading and many countries with adopted players now having good results and countries with native players are feeling bad due to their failure.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 19, 2022, 09:17:34 PM

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I am afraid that very soon we will be left with teams that are comprised only of imported players, as cricket is vanishing from the smaller nations. Look at countries such as Kenya and Canada. Where are they now? Kenya had a number of native players, such as Steve Tikolo, Thomas Odoyo and Maurice Odumbe (I'm sure that the younger generation may not know them). Canada also had a few natives, such as John Davison and Ian Billcliff. But the import power of teams like UAE and Oman prevailed over them unfortunately.

The main reason is there are other sports that will give them a much financial stability than Cricket and hence you do not see many quality players coming forward. Football aka Soccer is the most popular sport in Kenya and in Canada Ice hockey and other sports will give them a stable financial security and hence all the natural athletes will be play those sports than Cricket.

When it comes to GCC there was never a time when their local citizens played the game because they love Football and they are crazy about the game and you do not see Arabs playing Cricket anywhere in GCC but there are several clubs for India, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Bangladesh.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 19, 2022, 09:17:34 PM

I am afraid that very soon we will be left with teams that are comprised only of imported players, as cricket is vanishing from the smaller nations. Look at countries such as Kenya and Canada. Where are they now? Kenya had a number of native players, such as Steve Tikolo, Thomas Odoyo and Maurice Odumbe (I'm sure that the younger generation may not know them). Canada also had a few natives, such as John Davison and Ian Billcliff. But the import power of teams like UAE and Oman prevailed over them unfortunately.

Teams playing international cricket with imported players on their team tell a story about how popular cricket actually is around the world.

The truth is, the young generation are not interested in cricket in these areas of the world. and in some countries where cricket was seeing some light and was competing in bigger tournaments, the love for cricket suddenly seemed to vanish.

at this moment they don't seem to be having any scene of cricket in their country. and obviously, parents are not going to let their child do something where their future is not secured.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 19, 2022, 09:17:34 PM

I am afraid that very soon we will be left with teams that are comprised only of imported players, as cricket is vanishing from the smaller nations. Look at countries such as Kenya and Canada. Where are they now? Kenya had a number of native players, such as Steve Tikolo, Thomas Odoyo and Maurice Odumbe (I'm sure that the younger generation may not know them). Canada also had a few natives, such as John Davison and Ian Billcliff. But the import power of teams like UAE and Oman prevailed over them unfortunately.

That's purely a matter of regulations and only ICC can address this no matter how much we discuss here. UAE and other gulf countries cant make strong football teams just because fifa doesn't allow that irregularity. Kenya was once compulsory part of icc men's odi WC and is now nowhere to be seen.

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Quote from: coinism on March 19, 2022, 08:18:46 AM

You got it so right. New teams joining cricket eco system are mostly composed of players from Pakistan, India, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka. UAE is 100% made of expats and that deny entry of teams that are made entirely of native players like Nepal and PNG.
ICC-T20 events are unpredictable, sometimes they are held after 4 years and sometimes every year.

I am afraid that very soon we will be left with teams that are comprised only of imported players, as cricket is vanishing from the smaller nations. Look at countries such as Kenya and Canada. Where are they now? Kenya had a number of native players, such as Steve Tikolo, Thomas Odoyo and Maurice Odumbe (I'm sure that the younger generation may not know them). Canada also had a few natives, such as John Davison and Ian Billcliff. But the import power of teams like UAE and Oman prevailed over them unfortunately.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 19, 2022, 06:27:38 AM

We are having another edition of the ICC Men's T20 World Cup towards the end of this year. The fun fact is that we still don't know which are the teams that are going to qualify. From the Qualifier A, United Arab Emirates (100% made of foreigners) have qualified along with Ireland, while the Qualifier B is yet to start. There are two slots from Qualifier B, and it looks as if Zimbabwe and Netherlands have the maximum chances of qualifying. There are a few teams with imported players from India and Pakistan, such as Singapore and the United States. These teams also have the capability of making a few upsets.

It's too early to predict - but I believe Pakistan and India always give their best, but Zimbabwe players have great strength and their physic shows there have extra ordinary energy. But I am not sure about UAE team. And they don't care about cricket - they have other sports to care about. But for subcontinent cricket has brought nationalism. They cannot afford losing a match.

Mate, I have feeling you are new and not reading post and writing your reply without any solid matter. @Sithara007 is not talking about strength of Pakistan and Indian teams it's all talk about teams which are coming in qualifiers and have players from Pakistan and India which are helping them for having some better performance in these matches even these are not quality teams but with the import of players from subcontinent these countries having good chance for qualifying.

I personally hate with this rule, but sadly we have no solid things from ICC due to their corrupt system and poor marketing which is already mentioned many times but nothing positive is coming from them in near future, so it's all just poor tactics which are not profitable, but these are going without any law, so talk is not useful here just ignore and carry on with other things is much better.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 19, 2022, 06:27:38 AM

We are having another edition of the ICC Men's T20 World Cup towards the end of this year. The fun fact is that we still don't know which are the teams that are going to qualify. From the Qualifier A, United Arab Emirates (100% made of foreigners) have qualified along with Ireland, while the Qualifier B is yet to start. There are two slots from Qualifier B, and it looks as if Zimbabwe and Netherlands have the maximum chances of qualifying. There are a few teams with imported players from India and Pakistan, such as Singapore and the United States. These teams also have the capability of making a few upsets.

I really don't think that ICC is too much worried about the qualifiers. In my opinion, it's just for show. Otherwise, why would you not let a team play in the world cup if they have performed well and the excuse is given that they are not ranked high enough?
That was in the same format if I am not wrong. They are more worried about the few teams that are playing cricket regularly.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 19, 2022, 06:27:38 AM

We are having another edition of the ICC Men's T20 World Cup towards the end of this year. The fun fact is that we still don't know which are the teams that are going to qualify. From the Qualifier A, United Arab Emirates (100% made of foreigners) have qualified along with Ireland, while the Qualifier B is yet to start. There are two slots from Qualifier B, and it looks as if Zimbabwe and Netherlands have the maximum chances of qualifying. There are a few teams with imported players from India and Pakistan, such as Singapore and the United States. These teams also have the capability of making a few upsets.

It's too early to predict - but I believe Pakistan and India always give their best, but Zimbabwe players have great strength and their physic shows there have extra ordinary energy. But I am not sure about UAE team. And they don't care about cricket - they have other sports to care about. But for subcontinent cricket has brought nationalism. They cannot afford losing a match.

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Bangladesh is playing international cricket for 3 to 4 decades and they are test playing country for almost 2 decades but still they are not a recognized team mostly they are at level of an associate team. I dont think BCB is the only problem, Bangladesh doesnt have the talent that can play good cricket at international level. Is there any single player that can be seen as threat to big teams?

It is not that there are no talented players in Bangladesh team. They have a lot of talented players. The problem in Bangladesh is that the board is not caring or responsible towards the players. Players cannot play well if they are talented. He has to be experienced. They need to know how to perform on which type of pitch. And it is the responsibility of the management and the coach to make the players experienced. Bangladesh's management and coaches are neither good. Despite having a lot of money, they are reluctant to hire experienced coaches. As a result, the team is not improving.

There are obviously a lot of talented players in Bangladesh who can be great players one day if nurtured well. But, no one seems to want to do the nurturing job.
The actual true story in Bangladesh domestic cricket is that before the match starts the umpire says to one team, ""Today we have an assignment. Our decision will be unfair for you.""
And after that how many players do you think are going to try to win the match, or even have the mentality to even try? Would you like to go on and play a match knowing that it doesn't matter what you do, you are going to lose today?

Bangladesh's domestic league is completely fixed. And the Bangladesh Board is well aware of this. This is now an open secret. However, Bangladesh Cricket Board has not taken any necessary steps to stop the fixing. Due to this fixing, many young talented players lost interest in cricket. The careers of many talented players are ruined. First of all the board officials have to be honest. Then we have to try to solve the internal problems.

The officials ruin the cricketing in Bangladesh. In specific the board members of Bangladesh doesn't have any cricketing experience as well as doesn't care of the industry. The board is completely corrupted. When the board members were elected, it needs to choose the right members. Such act ruins the cricketing career as well makes other cricket teams have an bad impression over Bangladesh cricket.

In recent years slowly they're moving forward with good wins, this too will gets affected though the match fixing is taking place in the domestic league.

Exactly, a few board members have been sitting in the same position for the last few years, BCB president Nazmul Hasan Papon is one of them, He is a board president since 2012 if i'm not wrong even he is a member of parliament too. Definitely there is a political involvement behind his repeated elected president. But a few board members have a lot of experiences in cricket while they are former cricketers in Bangladesh.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 19, 2022, 06:27:38 AM

We are having another edition of the ICC Men's T20 World Cup towards the end of this year. The fun fact is that we still don't know which are the teams that are going to qualify. From the Qualifier A, United Arab Emirates (100% made of foreigners) have qualified along with Ireland, while the Qualifier B is yet to start. There are two slots from Qualifier B, and it looks as if Zimbabwe and Netherlands have the maximum chances of qualifying. There are a few teams with imported players from India and Pakistan, such as Singapore and the United States. These teams also have the capability of making a few upsets.

You got it so right. New teams joining cricket eco system are mostly composed of players from Pakistan, India, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka. UAE is 100% made of expats and that deny entry of teams that are made entirely of native players like Nepal and PNG.
ICC-T20 events are unpredictable, sometimes they are held after 4 years and sometimes every year.

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We are having another edition of the ICC Men's T20 World Cup towards the end of this year. The fun fact is that we still don't know which are the teams that are going to qualify. From the Qualifier A, United Arab Emirates (100% made of foreigners) have qualified along with Ireland, while the Qualifier B is yet to start. There are two slots from Qualifier B, and it looks as if Zimbabwe and Netherlands have the maximum chances of qualifying. There are a few teams with imported players from India and Pakistan, such as Singapore and the United States. These teams also have the capability of making a few upsets.

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Actually JSRAW explained why he was picked and that is mainly due to his performance in the domestic level and not because of any secret deal that is going on as expected. I checked out his domestic average which is well above 55 and played over 100 first class matches and has the reputation of scoring big hundreds as per his profile when i checked.

Yes, he did well in the Ranji trophy, I'll give you that. But was he better than the other options that they had? And by other options, we are obviously talking about Ravichandran Ashwin and Ravindra Jadeja.

I really don't think that he is at the same level as these two players. These two players give a lot more stability to the team in both batting and bowling which Hanuma Vihari cannot provide. But obviously, that's my opinion and opinions can differ.

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Quote from: jaberwock on March 17, 2022, 04:11:56 PM

This Nepotism, Personal links and bribery is all now part of this cricket game in subcontinent as it is most famous game and many peoples want to have some name and wealth through this so from this we have many bad players and some done good like we have Imam-ul-Haque he is nephew of Legendary Pakistan captain Inzi and now doing good even have some good criticism but still going through and now done some magical performance against Australian side so it is almost part of culture we can't ignore this until we have very strong domestic system and boards without any political influence which is not possible in next few decades because of their deep connections.

But still BCCI is having some better policies and this is giving them some good benefits and skilled players those are performing at top level in good way.

Imam ul haq no matter how good he performs has made his way to national team only because of his uncle Inzama ul Haq. Another such player is usman qadir who is son of Pakistani cricketer Abdul Qadir. Can't say about BCCI and BCB but this nepotism has greatly ruined every field of life in Pakistan not just cricket. Its part of culture now.

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Quote from: Theones on March 17, 2022, 03:42:08 PM

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Hanuma Vihari is one of those players who have benefitted immensely from nepotism within the selection board. Look at his test record and you will be surprised to know that manytimes he was preferred instead of quality players such as Shreyas Iyer and Ravindra Jadeja. That said, I am still perplexed by the stand taken by the BCCI. They are banning players from participating in franchise T20 leagues around the world (including those who haven't played any international cricket) and at the same time they have allowed these players in the DPL.

Nepotism goes a long way everywhere in every department and in every society. There is no use of discussing who deserves what. It is seen so much in cricket in film industry and in all the fields around the world. But what I believe - BCCI does very serious decisions based on their own interest. Who would care for the national interest though?

This Nepotism, Personal links and bribery is all now part of this cricket game in subcontinent as it is most famous game and many peoples want to have some name and wealth through this so from this we have many bad players and some done good like we have Imam-ul-Haque he is nephew of Legendary Pakistan captain Inzi and now doing good even have some good criticism but still going through and now done some magical performance against Australian side so it is almost part of culture we can't ignore this until we have very strong domestic system and boards without any political influence which is not possible in next few decades because of their deep connections.

But still BCCI is having some better policies and this is giving them some good benefits and skilled players those are performing at top level in good way.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 16, 2022, 09:08:36 PM

Hanuma Vihari is one of those players who have benefitted immensely from nepotism within the selection board. Look at his test record and you will be surprised to know that manytimes he was preferred instead of quality players such as Shreyas Iyer and Ravindra Jadeja. That said, I am still perplexed by the stand taken by the BCCI. They are banning players from participating in franchise T20 leagues around the world (including those who haven't played any international cricket) and at the same time they have allowed these players in the DPL.

Nepotism goes a long way everywhere in every department and in every society. There is no use of discussing who deserves what. It is seen so much in cricket in film industry and in all the fields around the world. But what I believe - BCCI does very serious decisions based on their own interest. Who would care for the national interest though?

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Quote from: Iranus on March 17, 2022, 11:06:43 AM

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I actually never thought Hanuma Vihari to be a player of the top level. I really didn't think he was any good, at least he was not better than the players that were playing in his position.

Actually, I really don't understand why the BCCI is making these types of rules. If there is a certain rule, in my opinion, that should be applied to everybody. I understand that maybe they wanted these players to have more playtime but why is it not the same for the others? Angry

Actually JSRAW explained why he was picked and that is mainly due to his performance in the domestic level and not because of any secret deal that is going on as expected. I checked out his domestic average which is well above 55 and played over 100 first class matches and has the reputation of scoring big hundreds as per his profile when i checked.

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Hanuma Vihari is playing test cricket from India and if he is going to Bangladesh then definitely he is going with bcci permission. Haven't seen any Indian team player in big bash or other leagues. These 7 players are going to Bangladesh since they are unsold in IPL, its best in there interest to play other league.

Hanuma Vihari is one of those players who have benefitted immensely from nepotism within the selection board. Look at his test record and you will be surprised to know that manytimes he was preferred instead of quality players such as Shreyas Iyer and Ravindra Jadeja. That said, I am still perplexed by the stand taken by the BCCI. They are banning players from participating in franchise T20 leagues around the world (including those who haven't played any international cricket) and at the same time they have allowed these players in the DPL.

I actually never thought Hanuma Vihari to be a player of the top level. I really didn't think he was any good, at least he was not better than the players that were playing in his position.

Actually, I really don't understand why the BCCI is making these types of rules. If there is a certain rule, in my opinion, that should be applied to everybody. I understand that maybe they wanted these players to have more playtime but why is it not the same for the others? Angry

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Hanuma Vihari is playing test cricket from India and if he is going to Bangladesh then definitely he is going with bcci permission. Haven't seen any Indian team player in big bash or other leagues. These 7 players are going to Bangladesh since they are unsold in IPL, its best in there interest to play other league.

Hanuma Vihari is one of those players who have benefitted immensely from nepotism within the selection board. Look at his test record and you will be surprised to know that manytimes he was preferred instead of quality players such as Shreyas Iyer and Ravindra Jadeja. That said, I am still perplexed by the stand taken by the BCCI. They are banning players from participating in franchise T20 leagues around the world (including those who haven't played any international cricket) and at the same time they have allowed these players in the DPL.

Just for the record. This highlighted statement made by Sithara didi is not correct. She just hate the poor guy Vihari for unknown reasons. Grin

Vihari didn't get his test cap due to nepotism but his performance in Ranji Trophy and India A tour (2018). In 2018 season his average was 94, only 2 guys were ahead of him Mayank Aggarwal and AnmolPreet. Former also got the chance to represent the test due to his performance but latter was relatively new and inexperienced in domestic.

Source : Ranji stats

Its true Shreyas didn't get the chance to represent the team earlier but Vihari was not the reason as mentioned by Sithara. Shreyas had 2 excellent season 2015, 2016 (After that his performance went down) but at that time India was looking at guys like Pujara-Kohli-Rahane trio. In fact Hanuma Vihari also got the late test cap call due to this Pujara-Kohli-Rahane Trio.

Even after Vihari got the test call up, his place wasn't confirm because team management wanted to persist with existing middle order. That's why they Vihari used as a quick fix, only when someone was injured or unavailable. Look at his batting order in his short career. When we had no opener, he opened the inning. When we had no middle order he came to bat at 5,6 and when we had no Jadeja/Ashwin he came at number 7.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 16, 2022, 09:08:36 PM

Hanuma Vihari is one of those players who have benefitted immensely from nepotism within the selection board. Look at his test record and you will be surprised to know that manytimes he was preferred instead of quality players such as Shreyas Iyer and Ravindra Jadeja. That said, I am still perplexed by the stand taken by the BCCI. They are banning players from participating in franchise T20 leagues around the world (including those who haven't played any international cricket) and at the same time they have allowed these players in the DPL.

If we see stats of Vihari then in his 26 test innings he has scored just 808 runs with 1 century and 5 fifties. These are just average stats for a player who is a regular batsmen. I don't know why he is preferred so much, thanks for clarifying the issue.
Regarding DPL, I think India has good relations with Bangladesh that's why they sending there players there. Just my own guess.

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