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Well.. that is debatable. Cricket needs to expand, since it is only played in a handful of countries. New additions to test nations are needed. And Bangladesh suits the perspective, since they are a country of 180 million people, with cricket being the most popular sport. But the quality hasn't improved ever since they were provided with the test status. I have said this before, and would repeat now. We need to have two divisions in test cricket. Else we'll get a great number of one-sided and meaningless matches. T20 will be more competitive and in this format, we can have dozens of nations playing against each other.

Teams like Bangladesh, Afghanistan and Zimbabwe are capable of playing T20 and upto some extent ODIs. Test is different thing and you need to have top players in order to win that. Not only basis of population we can add nations to test format. As per my understanding no developed country consider cricket as a valid game, this is inevitable from absence of big powers like China, Russia and USA from cricket.

The problem with teams like Bangladesh, Afghanistan, and Zimbabwe are that they don't have enough experience players in their team for playing top level test cricket. And we all know that test cricket takes a lot more skill than the other formats of cricket.

But, I think in that case Bangladesh should have been better than Afghanistan and Zimbabwe but that is not the case because you know, test cricket players also need to have patience and I don't think the Bangladesh players have that.

I think it would be wrong to say that Bangladesh has not enough experienced players, in the three formats of cricket they have a few players those who have been playing cricket for 10-15 years and have played a lot of matches but now they are not able to run regularly and some of player's they are not in the test format.

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I don't think any new country is interested in test format. The last country to get test status is Bangladesh in 1999 till then there is no new inclusion in test teams. The popularity of football lies in the fact that it's of very short duration and ends in 110 minutes. If cricket needs to spread the only way is T20.

Playing test is not easy for any country recently ICC give test states to Afghanistan and Ireland which is good thing but with very poor system and having not domestic set up for this it's not going to help them so here now they need to bring some big changes and stop this test states with just twelve teams could be in and try to set them for good level which is very hard but not impossible. Allowing more countries for T20 and T10 is much profitable for them and all stakeholders.

Right now, it could be good for spread of this game and have some better revenue for all countries and players with this they can develop some ODI as well because these two formats can bring some good charm and test is now going down even our most chances we are going to lose this in next 10 to 15 years from few countries with just top seven or eight countries could be in limelight for this.

True cricketing is test match, because to score withstanding wickets is not an easy thing. With T20 matches the score might be reached big in the short number of overs. This too needs ability to play, but here we can see players making unexpected performance which at times looks like a fake performance that happens out of fluke. As said the T20 format have turned it to be a way to make money and through this the real sport is slowly losing its value.

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Quote from: mm2543363580 on March 13, 2022, 12:20:41 PM

I don't think any new country is interested in test format. The last country to get test status is Bangladesh in 1999 till then there is no new inclusion in test teams. The popularity of football lies in the fact that it's of very short duration and ends in 110 minutes. If cricket needs to spread the only way is T20.

Playing test is not easy for any country recently ICC give test states to Afghanistan and Ireland which is good thing but with very poor system and having not domestic set up for this it's not going to help them so here now they need to bring some big changes and stop this test states with just twelve teams could be in and try to set them for good level which is very hard but not impossible. Allowing more countries for T20 and T10 is much profitable for them and all stakeholders.

Right now, it could be good for spread of this game and have some better revenue for all countries and players with this they can develop some ODI as well because these two formats can bring some good charm and test is now going down even our most chances we are going to lose this in next 10 to 15 years from few countries with just top seven or eight countries could be in limelight for this.

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Quote from: Maidak on March 13, 2022, 08:33:01 AM

Actually, in cricket, it really needs a big change and we all know that the domestic setup is all around test cricket. But, in my opinion, that should really change otherwise people are not going to be interested in domestic cricket at all. and a lot of the newer countries will also not be able to progress well. Because we all know test cricket needs a lot more skill than the other two formats. It also takes a hell of a lot more time. And the other two formats just seem too good at the moment.

Test cricket is obviously very important for every team but it's not something that is too attractive for the fans. And also it is quite tiring for the players.

I don't think any new country is interested in test format. The last country to get test status is Bangladesh in 1999 till then there is no new inclusion in test teams. The popularity of football lies in the fact that it's of very short duration and ends in 110 minutes. If cricket needs to spread the only way is T20.

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Even currently cricket is spreading and having some good popularity, but this format is not going to have some good share from this all because now it's having good base in only very few countries, so ICC need to do some good change in policies and try to give more chance for other countries to play more T20 and ODI instead of test cricket which give them some good chance for gaining profit and new skill players for these formats instead of this test which is now surely not going to help them in any case.

Bangladesh does have a their own T20 franchise league and it will help in developing new players just like the IPL and many countries are starting their version of T20 franchise league and it will help in identifying new talents.

I read here all debate about these few teams and their test states I am feeling currently test matches are having not good enough profitable for many countries because now life is much faster and peoples have no enough time for watching entertainment like this just because of this now we have some good gape between few countries recently introduction of leagues have some good chance.

But, it's not giving any advantage to test matches and domestic structure for all formats which is also big concern if Bangladesh or other small boards want to improve their test teams then they need to work in long term like have some good investment in local teams for 3 days or 4 days matches which give players some good technique and experience but strong and quality system is very important because without this you can't do anything positive.

Actually, in cricket, it really needs a big change and we all know that the domestic setup is all around test cricket. But, in my opinion, that should really change otherwise people are not going to be interested in domestic cricket at all. and a lot of the newer countries will also not be able to progress well. Because we all know test cricket needs a lot more skill than the other two formats. It also takes a hell of a lot more time. And the other two formats just seem too good at the moment.

Test cricket is obviously very important for every team but it's not something that is too attractive for the fans. And also it is quite tiring for the players.

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For me, it's all useless debate but still we can talk this into test related thread because here we can talk only about t20. Test cricket is without any doubt very big game and need some good skills practice, and sadly it's not available in good way for Zimbabwe, Bangladesh and Afghanistan, so it's difficult case for them to develop in this format.

Even currently cricket is spreading and having some good popularity, but this format is not going to have some good share from this all because now it's having good base in only very few countries, so ICC need to do some good change in policies and try to give more chance for other countries to play more T20 and ODI instead of test cricket which give them some good chance for gaining profit and new skill players for these formats instead of this test which is now surely not going to help them in any case.

Honestly, I have been a person who is really outspoken about the things, which ICC should have done to have more teams playing cricket in the future but ICC does not seem to do anything like that and, obviously, it's not only me who's saying these things.

These things are being said by a lot of people all around the world. Cricket is obviously gaining popularity day by day but it seems like the popularity is limited to certain countries and areas of the world.

But, cricket really should have been a much better and much more popular sport, to be honest. I also don't understand why ICC does not give the t20 much more importance as it seems to be the most popular format of cricket.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on March 12, 2022, 04:46:18 PM

You cannot completely neglect Bangladesh in Test cricket in recent years. They are strong in their home ground and this year, they toured New Zealand and defeated them in one of the Test match and i would say it is a rapid improvement by them and with time they will improve their performance in the longer format.

You can see strength of Bangladesh test performance here, every time they play a test series they are whitewashed. They have test series victories against countries like Zimbabwe and few test match victories against strong team rest you can see yourself how they have performed since they got test status.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on March 12, 2022, 04:46:18 PM

Quote from: TheGreatPython on March 12, 2022, 12:08:27 PM

Even currently cricket is spreading and having some good popularity, but this format is not going to have some good share from this all because now it's having good base in only very few countries, so ICC need to do some good change in policies and try to give more chance for other countries to play more T20 and ODI instead of test cricket which give them some good chance for gaining profit and new skill players for these formats instead of this test which is now surely not going to help them in any case.

Bangladesh does have a their own T20 franchise league and it will help in developing new players just like the IPL and many countries are starting their version of T20 franchise league and it will help in identifying new talents.

I read here all debate about these few teams and their test states I am feeling currently test matches are having not good enough profitable for many countries because now life is much faster and peoples have no enough time for watching entertainment like this just because of this now we have some good gape between few countries recently introduction of leagues have some good chance.

But, it's not giving any advantage to test matches and domestic structure for all formats which is also big concern if Bangladesh or other small boards want to improve their test teams then they need to work in long term like have some good investment in local teams for 3 days or 4 days matches which give players some good technique and experience but strong and quality system is very important because without this you can't do anything positive.

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Quote from: TheGreatPython on March 12, 2022, 12:08:27 PM

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For me, it's all useless debate but still we can talk this into test related thread because here we can talk only about t20. Test cricket is without any doubt very big game and need some good skills practice, and sadly it's not available in good way for Zimbabwe, Bangladesh and Afghanistan, so it's difficult case for them to develop in this format.

You cannot completely neglect Bangladesh in Test cricket in recent years. They are strong in their home ground and this year, they toured New Zealand and defeated them in one of the Test match and i would say it is a rapid improvement by them and with time they will improve their performance in the longer format.

Quote from: TheGreatPython on March 12, 2022, 12:08:27 PM

Even currently cricket is spreading and having some good popularity, but this format is not going to have some good share from this all because now it's having good base in only very few countries, so ICC need to do some good change in policies and try to give more chance for other countries to play more T20 and ODI instead of test cricket which give them some good chance for gaining profit and new skill players for these formats instead of this test which is now surely not going to help them in any case.

Bangladesh does have a their own T20 franchise league and it will help in developing new players just like the IPL and many countries are starting their version of T20 franchise league and it will help in identifying new talents.

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Quote from: TheGreatPython on March 12, 2022, 12:08:27 PM

For me, it's all useless debate but still we can talk this into test related thread because here we can talk only about t20. Test cricket is without any doubt very big game and need some good skills practice, and sadly it's not available in good way for Zimbabwe, Bangladesh and Afghanistan, so it's difficult case for them to develop in this format.

Right now there is zero T20I going on not even any league is in progress that's why we are having such debates here. If there is some T20 match in progress we see posts on that.
In 21st century I don't think new countries will join test format because of its time consumption. The only way we can add more countries to cricket is by spreading T20I format. Just my few satoshis.

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The problem with teams like Bangladesh, Afghanistan, and Zimbabwe are that they don't have enough experience players in their team for playing top level test cricket. And we all know that test cricket takes a lot more skill than the other formats of cricket.

But, I think in that case Bangladesh should have been better than Afghanistan and Zimbabwe but that is not the case because you know, test cricket players also need to have patience and I don't think the Bangladesh players have that.

For me, it's all useless debate but still we can talk this into test related thread because here we can talk only about t20. Test cricket is without any doubt very big game and need some good skills practice, and sadly it's not available in good way for Zimbabwe, Bangladesh and Afghanistan, so it's difficult case for them to develop in this format.

Even currently cricket is spreading and having some good popularity, but this format is not going to have some good share from this all because now it's having good base in only very few countries, so ICC need to do some good change in policies and try to give more chance for other countries to play more T20 and ODI instead of test cricket which give them some good chance for gaining profit and new skill players for these formats instead of this test which is now surely not going to help them in any case.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on March 12, 2022, 05:32:05 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on March 12, 2022, 05:21:27 AM

Well.. that is debatable. Cricket needs to expand, since it is only played in a handful of countries. New additions to test nations are needed. And Bangladesh suits the perspective, since they are a country of 180 million people, with cricket being the most popular sport. But the quality hasn't improved ever since they were provided with the test status. I have said this before, and would repeat now. We need to have two divisions in test cricket. Else we'll get a great number of one-sided and meaningless matches. T20 will be more competitive and in this format, we can have dozens of nations playing against each other.

Teams like Bangladesh, Afghanistan and Zimbabwe are capable of playing T20 and upto some extent ODIs. Test is different thing and you need to have top players in order to win that. Not only basis of population we can add nations to test format. As per my understanding no developed country consider cricket as a valid game, this is inevitable from absence of big powers like China, Russia and USA from cricket.

The problem with teams like Bangladesh, Afghanistan, and Zimbabwe are that they don't have enough experience players in their team for playing top level test cricket. And we all know that test cricket takes a lot more skill than the other formats of cricket.

But, I think in that case Bangladesh should have been better than Afghanistan and Zimbabwe but that is not the case because you know, test cricket players also need to have patience and I don't think the Bangladesh players have that.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 12, 2022, 05:21:27 AM

Well.. that is debatable. Cricket needs to expand, since it is only played in a handful of countries. New additions to test nations are needed. And Bangladesh suits the perspective, since they are a country of 180 million people, with cricket being the most popular sport. But the quality hasn't improved ever since they were provided with the test status. I have said this before, and would repeat now. We need to have two divisions in test cricket. Else we'll get a great number of one-sided and meaningless matches. T20 will be more competitive and in this format, we can have dozens of nations playing against each other.

Teams like Bangladesh, Afghanistan and Zimbabwe are capable of playing T20 and upto some extent ODIs. Test is different thing and you need to have top players in order to win that. Not only basis of population we can add nations to test format. As per my understanding no developed country consider cricket as a valid game, this is inevitable from absence of big powers like China, Russia and USA from cricket.

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Quote from: galambo on March 12, 2022, 01:24:12 AM

ICC can't interfere in internal matters of any board. Intact ICC can't even interfere in his own matters without clearance from big 3. Bangladesh was given test status in very early stage, honestly they don't deserve test status as clear from there past 20 or 25 years performance. They won a match against Pakistan in 1999 WC and based on that victory icc game them test status.

Well.. that is debatable. Cricket needs to expand, since it is only played in a handful of countries. New additions to test nations are needed. And Bangladesh suits the perspective, since they are a country of 180 million people, with cricket being the most popular sport. But the quality hasn't improved ever since they were provided with the test status. I have said this before, and would repeat now. We need to have two divisions in test cricket. Else we'll get a great number of one-sided and meaningless matches. T20 will be more competitive and in this format, we can have dozens of nations playing against each other.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 11, 2022, 10:36:30 PM

Don't want to take sides here. From what I can see from the previous posts, the general impression here is that Shakib is at least partly to be blamed for his own issues. The ego war between him and the BCB is not doing any favors to the Bangladesh cricket. In the end, it is cricket that suffers. Bangladesh has remained below par, at least in test format ever since they were awarded the full membership. These sort of issues are not helping. Perhaps now it is time for the ICC to step in and clean up the administration in Bangladesh.

ICC can't interfere in internal matters of any board. Intact ICC can't even interfere in his own matters without clearance from big 3. Bangladesh was given test status in very early stage, honestly they don't deserve test status as clear from there past 20 or 25 years performance. They won a match against Pakistan in 1999 WC and based on that victory icc game them test status.

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Quote from: galambo on March 11, 2022, 01:07:23 PM

There is good news for shakib ul hassan fans while we discuss here that he is ignored by his board and he is underrated player. He get central contract in all three formats Apart from Shakib, the BCB continued with Mushfiqur Rahim, Litton Das, Taskin Ahmed and Shoriful Islam for the all-formats contracts, just as they had in 2021

shakib ul hassan is always a better Player and About 90% of the Bangladesh team's victory depends on shakib ul hassan. He is an all-rounder and I think that is why the Bangladesh team has survived all over the world for him yet. I am also a fan of his. And I always support him

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on March 11, 2022, 05:03:29 PM

Shakib Al Hasan recently got a central contract from BCB and earlier he was not having that i believe as he was banned and having some issues with their cricket board and may be that has everything to do with his career in the IPL as well. When it comes to teaching some player a lesson, they cricket boards will come together, other than that there is no reason for his exclusion.

Don't want to take sides here. From what I can see from the previous posts, the general impression here is that Shakib is at least partly to be blamed for his own issues. The ego war between him and the BCB is not doing any favors to the Bangladesh cricket. In the end, it is cricket that suffers. Bangladesh has remained below par, at least in test format ever since they were awarded the full membership. These sort of issues are not helping. Perhaps now it is time for the ICC to step in and clean up the administration in Bangladesh.

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If you go with rankings, Shakib in all rounder category is no 4th in Tests, 1st in ODI and 2 in T20I rankings. With such extraordinary rankings don't know why he is still not picked by IPL despite the fact he is not from Pakistan. Every year IPL gives too many surprises in terms of players that went unsold.

I believe this is the main reason him going cheaply or unsold in last 2-3 season.

Shakib Al Hasan recently got a central contract from BCB and earlier he was not having that i believe as he was banned and having some issues with their cricket board and may be that has everything to do with his career in the IPL as well. When it comes to teaching some player a lesson, they cricket boards will come together, other than that there is no reason for his exclusion.

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Quote from: JSRAW on March 11, 2022, 08:26:05 AM

He's been into top 4-5 all rounders test ranking for god knows how many years, consistently. Currently No 1 all rounder in ODI and also No 2 all rounder in T-20. Now you tell me why shouldn't we speak highly of him?

Rankings aren't everything. ICC rankings have always been questionable and they don't usually tell the complete picture. I do agree that he is a legendary all-rounder, but he sucks big-time in the IPL which is a fact.

Quote from: JSRAW on March 11, 2022, 08:26:05 AM

I agree in recent time his IPL numbers are not that great with the bat but it's not because he's bad batter. It's just that he always bat down the order according to situation.

Recent times? I disagree. I watched him play in several IPL teams over the years and his performances were almost always mediocre. Batting down the order etc are just bad excuses.

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This person knows how to manipulate the system, get sympathies, and do silly things to benefit himself. He is quite normal in that regard.

Spot on. He is the opposite of a gentleman frankly speaking. He raced ahead of Kohli in this particular aspect.

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Quote from: galambo on March 11, 2022, 01:07:23 PM

There is good news for shakib ul hassan fans while we discuss here that he is ignored by his board and he is underrated player. He get central contract in all three formats Apart from Shakib, the BCB continued with Mushfiqur Rahim, Litton Das, Taskin Ahmed and Shoriful Islam for the all-formats contracts, just as they had in 2021

No matter how strange Shakib Al Hasan may be, he is still the best player in Bangladesh. The Bangladesh board has yet to find a player to replace him. Although Bangladesh has a lot of young talented players, the board of Bangladesh has not been able to develop these players properly. And so Bangladesh still depends a lot on Shakib to win the match. And that is why Shakib is in the central contract of BCB.

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