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When playing good in a T20 tournament fetches you good money and spot recognition why will these younger players concentrate on longer format? There are more fans of T20 globally than five days tournament and that is one of the primary reason these younger guys are concentrating and putting more effort in the shorter format. BCCI will only concentrate on format that earns them a lot of money and viewership. So, I doubt they will be focusing more in the loger format.

Financially, the T20 format may be important for the cricketers. But if they are more concerned about the fame, then they should not overlook the longer format. When someone talks about the stats (highest number of runs, top wicket takers), they always mention about these stats from the test cricket. I have almost never heard about anyone talking about the T20I stats.

I think all three formats of the cricket are important and therefore we see all the series consists of T20, One day and test matches. Each game has its own importance and give you entertainment. You will never feel bored if you are seeing a test match between nations like India and Australia.

Test matches in India, Australia, England and New Zealand are very enjoyable. But Test matches in other countries are not exciting. Countries like Bangladesh, West Indies and Sri Lanka are far behind in the Test format. When these countries host a Test series with Australia or England the series becomes very one-sided. ODI or t20 matches are much more exciting than this and everyone enjoys it.

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 10, 2020, 01:28:08 AM

I think upcoming T-20 WC might change the tide. If India lose then there are high chance of Shastri getting sacked as no one in BCCI holds favorable opinion about him especially Ganguly and everyone might start thinking beyond Kohli in the limited over cricket.

Kohli is panuti when it comes to big tournaments be it Champions trophy final, Semis of WC and almost every season of IPL.

Ganguly and the other BCCI officials have avoided open confrontation with Kohli, who has a reputation of being short-tempered. So I am not sure there will be any change, even if they perform poorly during the T20 World Cup. Selecting a coach, who doesn't dance to the tunes of Kohli will be huge. Attempts were made earlier, but they were not successful.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 09, 2020, 11:38:44 PM

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When playing good in a T20 tournament fetches you good money and spot recognition why will these younger players concentrate on longer format? There are more fans of T20 globally than five days tournament and that is one of the primary reason these younger guys are concentrating and putting more effort in the shorter format. BCCI will only concentrate on format that earns them a lot of money and viewership. So, I doubt they will be focusing more in the loger format.

Financially, the T20 format may be important for the cricketers. But if they are more concerned about the fame, then they should not overlook the longer format. When someone talks about the stats (highest number of runs, top wicket takers), they always mention about these stats from the test cricket. I have almost never heard about anyone talking about the T20I stats.

I think all three formats of the cricket are important and therefore we see all the series consists of T20, One day and test matches. Each game has its own importance and give you entertainment. You will never feel bored if you are seeing a test match between nations like India and Australia.

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May be, may be not.

Apart from his decision making at the field, i am not impressed with coaching staff selection as well. We have Indian coach who acts likes cheer leader and his supporting staff are selected because they are loyalist. Bowling coach is good but others seems average. One example is Virat and Shashtri rejected Jonty Rhodes as fielding coach.

I don't think that the situation is going to change anytime soon. Damaadji (Shastri) was selected as the coach, mostly due to his unwavering loyalty to Kohli and other biggies within the Indian team. Now everything is going in the right direction for the Indian team, and they are winning matches. At this point, even the BCCI bosses would be reluctant to antagonize Kohli.

I think upcoming T-20 WC might change the tide. If India lose then there are high chance of Shastri getting sacked as no one in BCCI holds favorable opinion about him especially Ganguly and everyone might start thinking beyond Kohli in the limited over cricket.

Kohli is panuti when it comes to big tournaments be it Champions trophy final, Semis of WC and almost every season of IPL.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on December 09, 2020, 10:56:42 PM

When playing good in a T20 tournament fetches you good money and spot recognition why will these younger players concentrate on longer format? There are more fans of T20 globally than five days tournament and that is one of the primary reason these younger guys are concentrating and putting more effort in the shorter format. BCCI will only concentrate on format that earns them a lot of money and viewership. So, I doubt they will be focusing more in the loger format.

Financially, the T20 format may be important for the cricketers. But if they are more concerned about the fame, then they should not overlook the longer format. When someone talks about the stats (highest number of runs, top wicket takers), they always mention about these stats from the test cricket. I have almost never heard about anyone talking about the T20I stats.

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I can't agree with your thought. If only Indian bowlers do well, India has no chance of winning. Indian batsmen also have to perform well. Most of the batsmen in the Indian squad are young. Their test playing experience against any big teams is low. And this is why I don't think India will be able to win against Australia.

How many of these younger players actually concentrate on the longer format? Many of them are very good in the T20 format, but their skills for the longer format is not that great. Most of them doesn't even participate in the 4-day domestic tournament (Ranji Trophy) and the BCCI is also not taking any steps to rectify this. For this year, we don't even know whether the Ranji Trophy tournament will take place or not.

When playing good in a T20 tournament fetches you good money and spot recognition why will these younger players concentrate on longer format? There are more fans of T20 globally than five days tournament and that is one of the primary reason these younger guys are concentrating and putting more effort in the shorter format. BCCI will only concentrate on format that earns them a lot of money and viewership. So, I doubt they will be focusing more in the loger format.

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I can't agree with your thought. If only Indian bowlers do well, India has no chance of winning. Indian batsmen also have to perform well. Most of the batsmen in the Indian squad are young. Their test playing experience against any big teams is low. And this is why I don't think India will be able to win against Australia.

How many of these younger players actually concentrate on the longer format? Many of them are very good in the T20 format, but their skills for the longer format is not that great. Most of them doesn't even participate in the 4-day domestic tournament (Ranji Trophy) and the BCCI is also not taking any steps to rectify this. For this year, we don't even know whether the Ranji Trophy tournament will take place or not.

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I don't think India will win a Test match against Australia. India did not perform as well as expected in the ODIs. They played great in T20 series. I think they played IPL recently so they have been able to do so excellent performance in T20 series. But Test matches are completely different from ODI and T20. At the Australian home ground, it is very difficult to win a Test match against Australia.

I think they might win 1 or 2 test matches at the very least since Kohli will be playing in the first test while Sharma and Pujara will be back in the squad. Also, the winning momentum is equally distributed between both teams currently.

Australia also has potential weaknesses which India will try to exploit. I am predicting a 2-2 draw since both teams are coming in hot.

I don't think India will be able to win a Test or a match. My prediction is that Australia will win 2 test matches and the other two is drawn. Rohit Sharma will not play. The Indian team will play with a bunch of young players. I think India must have experienced players to win against Australia. Players must have experience playing on the Australian pitch. Because Australian pitches are completely different from Asian pitches.

Teat match is the most difficult form in the cricket game which has been a biggest concern for team India eben though they are one of the best too ranked cricket team but this time they got different bowling line up which could bring some differences in my opinion in this format because the squad contains experienced as well as young talent but need to follow different strategies here. If Indian bowlers post good performance then team India has some chance to seal this series for sure.

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 09, 2020, 12:41:42 AM

May be, may be not.

Apart from his decision making at the field, i am not impressed with coaching staff selection as well. We have Indian coach who acts likes cheer leader and his supporting staff are selected because they are loyalist. Bowling coach is good but others seems average. One example is Virat and Shashtri rejected Jonty Rhodes as fielding coach.

I don't think that the situation is going to change anytime soon. Damaadji (Shastri) was selected as the coach, mostly due to his unwavering loyalty to Kohli and other biggies within the Indian team. Now everything is going in the right direction for the Indian team, and they are winning matches. At this point, even the BCCI bosses would be reluctant to antagonize Kohli.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 09, 2020, 12:02:05 AM

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He did okay captaincy in last WC though but India always reach in semis no matter who captaining the Indian side so i agree in limited over cricket he mess things up regularly. Only Rohit Sharma has capability of replacing him in the shorter format, Dhawan is big no as he can't even lead team in the franchise level.

I also believe that Rohit Sharma can be a good replacement. But then, Virat has captained the Indian team for such a long time. Critics may argue that it can have a negative impact on team bonding and morale (although Rohit has been a regular member of the squad for many years). And then there is always the concern that Rohit and Virat may form their own closed groups, just like the case we had when Dhoni was playing for India.

May be, may be not.

Apart from his decision making at the field, i am not impressed with coaching staff selection as well. We have Indian coach who acts likes cheer leader and his supporting staff are selected because they are loyalist. Bowling coach is good but others seems average. One example is Virat and Shashtri rejected Jonty Rhodes as fielding coach.

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I did not mean that Natarajan has fitness problems. My point is that there are many better players in the Indian squad than Natarajan. India has a lot of talented players for ODI matches. And India needs some experienced players for the Tests. Natarajan plays well but is not very experienced.

Got it, with experience and exposure in playing in different countries will help their grow as a player and with his accuracy Natarajan is a prospect for India.

I am disappointed with the match today as India lost the match because of the bad fielding and the captaincy of Kohli. The delay in DRS decision in the 11th over cost the match as Kohli did not take the third umpire decision even though it was the wicket of Wade who was in tremendous touch and if he had gone for the review in time that was plumb in front of the wicket and the dropped catches which is continuing every match.

Although India has fielded a lot of bad. But I think India lost the match because their batsmen could not run. Or it can be said that the Australian bowlers have played well. No Indian batsman was successful except Virat Kohli. There are many qualityful and talented batsmen in the India squad. The 187 run target was not too difficult for India.

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 08, 2020, 11:21:53 PM

He did okay captaincy in last WC though but India always reach in semis no matter who captaining the Indian side so i agree in limited over cricket he mess things up regularly. Only Rohit Sharma has capability of replacing him in the shorter format, Dhawan is big no as he can't even lead team in the franchise level.

I also believe that Rohit Sharma can be a good replacement. But then, Virat has captained the Indian team for such a long time. Critics may argue that it can have a negative impact on team bonding and morale (although Rohit has been a regular member of the squad for many years). And then there is always the concern that Rohit and Virat may form their own closed groups, just like the case we had when Dhoni was playing for India.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 08, 2020, 10:12:08 PM

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I am disappointed with the match today as India lost the match because of the bad fielding and the captaincy of Kohli. The delay in DRS decision in the 11th over cost the match as Kohli did not take the third umpire decision even though it was the wicket of Wade who was in tremendous touch and if he had gone for the review in time that was plumb in front of the wicket and the dropped catches which is continuing every match.

Recently, I am not getting very impressed with Kohli's captaincy. I think he should concentrate on the test matches and someone else (such as Rohit Sharma or Shikhar Dhawan) should captain the side in the shorter format. Kohli's decision making ability seems to be getting worse with every passing year. And his selection policy is also getting a lot of flak.

He did okay captaincy in last WC though but India always reach in semis no matter who captaining the Indian side so i agree in limited over cricket he mess things up regularly. Only Rohit Sharma has capability of replacing him in the shorter format, Dhawan is big no as he can't even lead team in the franchise level.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 08, 2020, 10:12:08 PM

Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on December 08, 2020, 07:00:20 PM

I am disappointed with the match today as India lost the match because of the bad fielding and the captaincy of Kohli. The delay in DRS decision in the 11th over cost the match as Kohli did not take the third umpire decision even though it was the wicket of Wade who was in tremendous touch and if he had gone for the review in time that was plumb in front of the wicket and the dropped catches which is continuing every match.

Recently, I am not getting very impressed with Kohli's captaincy. I think he should concentrate on the test matches and someone else (such as Rohit Sharma or Shikhar Dhawan) should captain the side in the shorter format. Kohli's decision making ability seems to be getting worse with every passing year. And his selection policy is also getting a lot of flak.

I was never happy with Kohli's captaincy. If you are a good batsmen does not mean you are a good captain. What I see is only aggression and immature decisions. I do not have any idea how shikhar dhawan will perform as a captain but I am sure Rohit Sharma will be the right person for T20 and ODIs.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on December 08, 2020, 07:00:20 PM

I am disappointed with the match today as India lost the match because of the bad fielding and the captaincy of Kohli. The delay in DRS decision in the 11th over cost the match as Kohli did not take the third umpire decision even though it was the wicket of Wade who was in tremendous touch and if he had gone for the review in time that was plumb in front of the wicket and the dropped catches which is continuing every match.

Recently, I am not getting very impressed with Kohli's captaincy. I think he should concentrate on the test matches and someone else (such as Rohit Sharma or Shikhar Dhawan) should captain the side in the shorter format. Kohli's decision making ability seems to be getting worse with every passing year. And his selection policy is also getting a lot of flak.

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Quote from: Iranus on December 08, 2020, 08:59:26 AM

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I did not mean that Natarajan has fitness problems. My point is that there are many better players in the Indian squad than Natarajan. India has a lot of talented players for ODI matches. And India needs some experienced players for the Tests. Natarajan plays well but is not very experienced.

Got it, with experience and exposure in playing in different countries will help their grow as a player and with his accuracy Natarajan is a prospect for India.

I am disappointed with the match today as India lost the match because of the bad fielding and the captaincy of Kohli. The delay in DRS decision in the 11th over cost the match as Kohli did not take the third umpire decision even though it was the wicket of Wade who was in tremendous touch and if he had gone for the review in time that was plumb in front of the wicket and the dropped catches which is continuing every match.

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India looked like they were cruising to victory with only 2 wickets down at 94 with 8 overs to go but them two quick wickets in the 13th over really helped get Australia back on track and the momentum which in the end saw them get the victory. So it was just like the ODI series but the opposite way around. I think this now sets us all up for a great test series, I know its a different format but both teams now have had success against each other so hopefully now we see a hard fought test series which I still think Australia will win but not sure if it will be a easy victory for Australia as some have suggested.

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I don't think India will win a Test match against Australia. India did not perform as well as expected in the ODIs. They played great in T20 series. I think they played IPL recently so they have been able to do so excellent performance in T20 series. But Test matches are completely different from ODI and T20. At the Australian home ground, it is very difficult to win a Test match against Australia.

I think they might win 1 or 2 test matches at the very least since Kohli will be playing in the first test while Sharma and Pujara will be back in the squad. Also, the winning momentum is equally distributed between both teams currently.

Australia also has potential weaknesses which India will try to exploit. I am predicting a 2-2 draw since both teams are coming in hot.

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I think Saini is suitable for T20 match. But the Indian team for Odi or Test matches has more skilled and experienced players than Saini. Saini will have to work harder to play an ODI match for the Indian team. I think if he gets close to a good and experienced coach. He can improve his bowling. The Indian team management should build Saini properly.

Agreed. Temperament is needed for the longer format and Saini lacks that. On the other hand, I have a feeling that Natarajan is suitable for both the shorter format, as well as the longer format. Anyway, it is nice to see so much competition for the slot of pace-bowlers in the Indian team. Apart from Natarajan, Saini and Siraj, we have a bunch of young pacers waiting for their opportunity, including Nagarkoti, Tyagi, Shivam Mavi.etc.

Natrajan seems to be suitable for all kinds of cricket. A talented young player. The Indian Cricket Board should take proper care of Natarajan. Otherwise, this talent will be lost. Indian team have a lot of young players now. If someone is injured or off form, there are many talented players to replace him. So, whoever plays badly or stays off form will lose his place in the India team.

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Quote from: onecall123 on December 08, 2020, 09:27:27 AM

Australia won by 12 runs in their 3rd T20I. Somehow India prevent their whitewashed in ODI series likewise Australia prevent from being whitewashed. T20I series an action replay of ODI series with both teams. Anyway, first T20I lose this year for India.

Both the series One day and T20 ended in 2-1, first in the favor of Australia and the later one in favor of India. This means that we will have a thrill test series between the two countries and i am sure this will be the best most awaiting test series for 2020.

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