TA or FA which is a better choice for market speculation. - page 3.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on May 14, 2022, 06:22:26 PM

Quote from: teosanru on May 12, 2022, 02:40:25 PM

When it comes to the crypto market, FA is not even a choice, atleast talking about the traditional fundamental analysis, the main discussion points are P/E multiples or EV/EBITDA multiples but the crypto market doesn't works on these principles at all, we barely go ahead and calculate earnings of any crypto company before we buy their cryptos, FA in crypto is more about which coin has the best utility and solves a problem in the long run, other than that all these coins are just shitcoins deriving their value from something or the other. So in Cryptos only best option which you have for market speculation is TA.

And why I use them both is because investing a coin/s that we know has utility and function in the market increase assurance that in the long run, it will move up. And it was also important to know which projects have the potential, not shitcoins. While the use of FA and TA will give us the desired results that we've wanted, not just because we made speculation as we also need profit assurance.
However, this be depending on where you become comfortable, some just choose TA alone but haven't looked at the big difference between having the two when it comes to market analysis.

I agree with you on potentials side but now my mind just doesn't agree with the concept of potential as well, just a few weeks back everyone was so positive on Luna and expected that it will definitely break all the highs and just one small error and you see it falling out of the ecosystem Altogether and all your savings getting duped. TA is somehow better because it comes with a protection of Stop loss which if you use you can save yourself from such a catastrophe.

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Quote from: Baofeng on May 14, 2022, 05:38:08 PM

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Quote from: sklopan on May 12, 2022, 10:23:03 AM

I think that sometimes it is still worth drawing conclusions given the situation on the market. Otherwise, getting results is not easy.

Getting results was never been easy since from the start because there would be lots of factors for you to reconsider first before you would really make any decisions whether you would buy or sell
depending or basing on the market condition plus on knowing its technical or fundamental aspect.Its up to someone or depending on how things been going.
This market is unpredictable on where 100% precision cant really be possible because u turn of events could happen which results will really be on a random manner.

I would agree, that I"m leaning towards TA of course, when making speculative guess as to what will most likely happen in the future and make your trade based on it. It's not 100% we all know that, but at least the trends might help you identify opportunities. If it doesn't work on you, then find another indicators. So it's a learning process as you continue to educate yourself. But yeah, it is TA that I most rely on when making my trading/investing position.

That is the thing with TA, learning how to use TA to have an edge over other traders is something that is an iterative process and it takes time to achieve, also even if you can find a set of combination of indicators that can give you profits that does not mean that you are going to be able to use them effectively, so you also need to think of your own personality and adjust your strategy to one that fits you and that you can use even when the market is in a terrible shape.

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Quote from: teosanru on May 12, 2022, 02:40:25 PM

When it comes to the crypto market, FA is not even a choice, atleast talking about the traditional fundamental analysis, the main discussion points are P/E multiples or EV/EBITDA multiples but the crypto market doesn't works on these principles at all, we barely go ahead and calculate earnings of any crypto company before we buy their cryptos, FA in crypto is more about which coin has the best utility and solves a problem in the long run, other than that all these coins are just shitcoins deriving their value from something or the other. So in Cryptos only best option which you have for market speculation is TA.

And why I use them both is because investing a coin/s that we know has utility and function in the market increase assurance that in the long run, it will move up. And it was also important to know which projects have the potential, not shitcoins. While the use of FA and TA will give us the desired results that we've wanted, not just because we made speculation as we also need profit assurance.
However, this be depending on where you become comfortable, some just choose TA alone but haven't looked at the big difference between having the two when it comes to market analysis.

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Quote from: Quidat on May 12, 2022, 04:19:25 PM

Quote from: sklopan on May 12, 2022, 10:23:03 AM

I think that sometimes it is still worth drawing conclusions given the situation on the market. Otherwise, getting results is not easy.

Getting results was never been easy since from the start because there would be lots of factors for you to reconsider first before you would really make any decisions whether you would buy or sell
depending or basing on the market condition plus on knowing its technical or fundamental aspect.Its up to someone or depending on how things been going.
This market is unpredictable on where 100% precision cant really be possible because u turn of events could happen which results will really be on a random manner.

I would agree, that I"m leaning towards TA of course, when making speculative guess as to what will most likely happen in the future and make your trade based on it. It's not 100% we all know that, but at least the trends might help you identify opportunities. If it doesn't work on you, then find another indicators. So it's a learning process as you continue to educate yourself. But yeah, it is TA that I most rely on when making my trading/investing position.

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Quote from: TheGreatPython on May 14, 2022, 03:11:15 PM

Quote from: Quidat on May 12, 2022, 04:19:25 PM

Getting results was never been easy since from the start because there would be lots of factors for you to reconsider first before you would really make any decisions whether you would buy or sell
depending or basing on the market condition plus on knowing its technical or fundamental aspect.Its up to someone or depending on how things been going.
This market is unpredictable on where 100% precision cant really be possible because u turn of events could happen which results will really be on a random manner.

You will need to draw a conclusion no matter what, because if you don't, you can get stuck with what you are doing. Getting results is not easy only if you make the situation hard, so my advice is one must lower his standards and accept things the way they are, as that is the only way to get contented with the results.

There are lots of factors around but who says that you will consider them all? Why not pick only the one's that are more important. You need to decide as soon as possible because the time is ticking and the prices will soon going to move if you will not hurry. If you got caught out, you will find it hard to make a decision again.

Lots of trial and error before you could really acquire in terms of skills and knowledge and its true that we wont really be staying up permanently on a strategy that doesnt really work where it is normal that

we would really be finding another one and that would be a never ending kind of searching ways because we do plan to sustain or survive on this market which do really connects into this scenario.

Stick on something that would really be working for you and if time comes for it to be ineffective then try to look for another one.

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Quote from: Quidat on May 12, 2022, 04:19:25 PM

Getting results was never been easy since from the start because there would be lots of factors for you to reconsider first before you would really make any decisions whether you would buy or sell
depending or basing on the market condition plus on knowing its technical or fundamental aspect.Its up to someone or depending on how things been going.
This market is unpredictable on where 100% precision cant really be possible because u turn of events could happen which results will really be on a random manner.

You will need to draw a conclusion no matter what, because if you don't, you can get stuck with what you are doing. Getting results is not easy only if you make the situation hard, so my advice is one must lower his standards and accept things the way they are, as that is the only way to get contented with the results.

There are lots of factors around but who says that you will consider them all? Why not pick only the one's that are more important. You need to decide as soon as possible because the time is ticking and the prices will soon going to move if you will not hurry. If you got caught out, you will find it hard to make a decision again.

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Quote from: sklopan on May 12, 2022, 10:23:03 AM

I think that sometimes it is still worth drawing conclusions given the situation on the market. Otherwise, getting results is not easy.

Getting results was never been easy since from the start because there would be lots of factors for you to reconsider first before you would really make any decisions whether you would buy or sell
depending or basing on the market condition plus on knowing its technical or fundamental aspect.Its up to someone or depending on how things been going.
This market is unpredictable on where 100% precision cant really be possible because u turn of events could happen which results will really be on a random manner.

teosanru

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When it comes to the crypto market, FA is not even a choice, atleast talking about the traditional fundamental analysis, the main discussion points are P/E multiples or EV/EBITDA multiples but the crypto market doesn't works on these principles at all, we barely go ahead and calculate earnings of any crypto company before we buy their cryptos, FA in crypto is more about which coin has the best utility and solves a problem in the long run, other than that all these coins are just shitcoins deriving their value from something or the other. So in Cryptos only best option which you have for market speculation is TA.

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Quote from: nur rochid on May 09, 2022, 10:42:50 AM

I personally only use TA to analyze the market. I did this because it would take a long time to use the FA to make decisions, especially since I was trading short term, so I had to make decisions quickly. actually it's all just a matter of convenience for us to use it, of course if for the long term the FA will be more careful to analyze, and can also use TA to analyze it, but for the FA I personally think it's more difficult to find the fundamentals of a project

This is basically my rationale as well, without a doubt fundamental analysis is critical if you are an investor or using a very long time frame to trade the markets, but when you are a short term trader or a swing trader then fundamental analysis is not going to be as important and instead you will have to rely almost exclusively on technical analysis, as out of the two it is the one that allows you to analyze the markets the fastest, and that is critical for a short term trader.

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I think that sometimes it is still worth drawing conclusions given the situation on the market. Otherwise, getting results is not easy.

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Quote from: nur rochid on May 09, 2022, 10:42:50 AM

I personally only use TA to analyze the market. I did this because it would take a long time to use the FA to make decisions, especially since I was trading short term, so I had to make decisions quickly. actually it's all just a matter of convenience for us to use it, of course if for the long term the FA will be more careful to analyze, and can also use TA to analyze it, but for the FA I personally think it's more difficult to find the fundamentals of a project

We should really know on how to make use of TA considering that not all the times this market would be having always that news or events around which you could really make use of your FA.

Not all the times you would really be seeing this which means you would be ending up on analyzing technicals aside from events and its a must thing to be learnt.

You would be finding yourself to be on a hard situation if you arent really that mindful about learning this key area.

FA analysis is one of the simplest tool in trading. It doesn't require any indicators to detect red or green candles, it's all about the trends. People depends on Elon Musk and other top influencers in the market to carry out their daily trading. For newbies who are just coming into the space, I recommend FA analysis for them, as for a start. While TA is commonly used by experience experts in the space for trade. Some traders don't always follow trends, but price actions and they keep making profits while those that follows trends don't always come out of a trade smiling. TA analysis is the best but it requires time and patience before you can fully understand the market, although the market can also go against your target in any point in time.

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Quote from: Markinzo on April 19, 2022, 03:23:18 PM

As traders in cryptocurrency trading what kind of framework of analysis do you prefer best to be taken (as an approach) into consideration when it comes to speculating the future of the market (when to buy and sell), be it on a long term or short term?

Is it with: TECHNICAL ANALYSIS
or

FUNDAMENTAL ANALYSIS.

I'll like to throw some light about the above mentioned analysis for the benefit of those that have a floating or no knowledge about both. So as to accommodate a wide range of opinions.

Now, simply put, Technical Analysts believe that "past price movement can dictate future price movement". Technical Analysts don't try to find out the intrinsic value of an asset, rather, they look at historical trading activity and try to identify opportunities based on that.

On the other hand, Fundamental Analysis is a framework that aims to identify the "true value" of an asset. Analysts here study the economic and financial factors to figure out if the market valuation of an asset is fair, etc.
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From the above explanation which could you as a trader possibly go with and why?

Let's discuss.

For short-term price speculation you do not need a fundamental analysis, the news about the coin is enough to understand its mood and basically understand which way the market is

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Quote from: nur rochid on May 09, 2022, 10:42:50 AM

I personally only use TA to analyze the market. I did this because it would take a long time to use the FA to make decisions, especially since I was trading short term, so I had to make decisions quickly. actually it's all just a matter of convenience for us to use it, of course if for the long term the FA will be more careful to analyze, and can also use TA to analyze it, but for the FA I personally think it's more difficult to find the fundamentals of a project

We should really know on how to make use of TA considering that not all the times this market would be having always that news or events around which you could really make use of your FA.

Not all the times you would really be seeing this which means you would be ending up on analyzing technicals aside from events and its a must thing to be learnt.

You would be finding yourself to be on a hard situation if you arent really that mindful about learning this key area.

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Quote from: Sled on May 08, 2022, 06:12:23 PM

Technical and Fundamental analysis exist because they have a huge function when it comes to trading. Some just use TA, well, they are still profiting. That is why it is still an option for us traders which one to use but I suggest to consider them both upon trading as this would help you to have better results. But we have to remember that trading is not just all about TA and FA, in order to earn profit from trading, it should also be accompanied by effective strategies and hard work. In this way, your chances are pretty high.

I would suggest both as well. They both have some usecases in each situation and to be there and promoting it means a lot and should be promoted for sure. It is a clear indicator that we should be able to get people to use both of them if you look at the results from both of them.

Just because you are using one doesn't make the other one useless, there is nothing that blocks you from using both of them and that is what we will get in the long run as well. We are going to end up with something profitable if we use both, and if we use only one or even not use any of them then we are going to miss a big portion of the big picture and end up losing money in the long run.

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I personally only use TA to analyze the market. I did this because it would take a long time to use the FA to make decisions, especially since I was trading short term, so I had to make decisions quickly. actually it's all just a matter of convenience for us to use it, of course if for the long term the FA will be more careful to analyze, and can also use TA to analyze it, but for the FA I personally think it's more difficult to find the fundamentals of a project

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Quote from: Markinzo on April 19, 2022, 03:23:18 PM

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From the above explanation which could you as a trader possibly go with and why?

Let's discuss.

Technical and Fundamental analysis exist because they have a huge function when it comes to trading. Some just use TA, well, they are still profiting. That is why it is still an option for us traders which one to use but I suggest to consider them both upon trading as this would help you to have better results. But we have to remember that trading is not just all about TA and FA, in order to earn profit from trading, it should also be accompanied by effective strategies and hard work. In this way, your chances are pretty high.

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Quote from: lablab03 on May 07, 2022, 06:13:45 AM

For daily trading the most important is TA (technical analysis) especially for quick profits, coz all you need to do is to see the structures on the lower time frame just to get more information or should say what's the trend on the graph to get the opportunity to make quick profits.
And for FA(fundamental analysis) this is most important unless if you're planning to make long term coz you need to accumulate more data about the project to see if they're qualified as a good investment coz mostly is for hypes only in the market so this one is necessary to apply when choosing a projects to investment.

Both TA and FA are very important to trade if you need to grow in profit with the market. FA for the coin that you are buying is usually the news surrounding it like sells, listing of it, the team members and the general information about the project. These are quite important to the strength of where the coin will reach in the future. So whether daily trader or other types of trading, it is important to look at the two.

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Quote from: Silberman on May 08, 2022, 01:07:46 PM

Quote from: lablab03 on May 07, 2022, 06:13:45 AM

For daily trading the most important is TA (technical analysis) especially for quick profits, coz all you need to do is to see the structures on the lower time frame just to get more information or should say what's the trend on the graph to get the opportunity to make quick profits.
And for FA(fundamental analysis) this is most important unless if you're planning to make long term coz you need to accumulate more data about the project to see if they're qualified as a good investment coz mostly is for hypes only in the market so this one is necessary to apply when choosing a projects to investment.

You are correct, however I will also say that in the short time frames you do not really have the time to use fundamental analysis, some time periods are so short that by the time you read a news and then you try to react to it many other traders have already done so and you enter your trade too late, when that happens it makes more sense to just watch the price and keep monitoring it for any extraordinary movement, and only once you open your trade then you could take the time to look about the reason that move happened at all.

In speaking with fundamentals then this is something really needs some fast action or immediate response if you do tend not to make yourself get too late whether you should buy or sell since this market is highly reactive to news and events then it's understandable that you shouldn't really make yourself too late or else you would really be missing out on taking a profit or chance to buy cheap.

So it's a personal preference whether making use of FA and TA because this is something talks about your knowledge and skills towards trading on the market.

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Quote from: lablab03 on May 07, 2022, 06:13:45 AM

For daily trading the most important is TA (technical analysis) especially for quick profits, coz all you need to do is to see the structures on the lower time frame just to get more information or should say what's the trend on the graph to get the opportunity to make quick profits.
And for FA(fundamental analysis) this is most important unless if you're planning to make long term coz you need to accumulate more data about the project to see if they're qualified as a good investment coz mostly is for hypes only in the market so this one is necessary to apply when choosing a projects to investment.

You are correct, however I will also say that in the short time frames you do not really have the time to use fundamental analysis, some time periods are so short that by the time you read a news and then you try to react to it many other traders have already done so and you enter your trade too late, when that happens it makes more sense to just watch the price and keep monitoring it for any extraordinary movement, and only once you open your trade then you could take the time to look about the reason that move happened at all.

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For daily trading the most important is TA (technical analysis) especially for quick profits, coz all you need to do is to see the structures on the lower time frame just to get more information or should say what's the trend on the graph to get the opportunity to make quick profits.
And for FA(fundamental analysis) this is most important unless if you're planning to make long term coz you need to accumulate more data about the project to see if they're qualified as a good investment coz mostly is for hypes only in the market so this one is necessary to apply when choosing a projects to investment.

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