Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network - page 140.

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Quote from: lordoliver on April 01, 2016, 12:55:42 PM

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Quote from: mishax1 on April 01, 2016, 10:55:02 AM

Bittrex not willing to cooperate and rollback the trades? Don't trade there..

I will second that. And somehow the crap keeps piling up on Bittrex. Made so many bad experiences over there, I am fed up.

Bittrex is not responsible for it. If you don't understand that go back to the banking system...

+1

Sounds like someone looking for a bail out.

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I think that the people over at bittrex (richie et al.) could do the roll back if they wanted, but they just chose not to because it is extra work and effort for them and as such does not justify taking further action from their part. I can understand that, even if I do not agree with them in this case (I think they should have accommodated to the special request in this case due to it's special circumstances).
If the exchange solution (best one offered to date) is not a viable option, we should proceed with an adequate alternative (a few have been offered).

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Quote from: mishax1 on April 01, 2016, 10:55:02 AM

Bittrex not willing to cooperate and rollback the trades? Don't trade there..

I will second that. And somehow the crap keeps piling up on Bittrex. Made so many bad experiences over there, I am fed up.

Bittrex is not responsible for it. If you don't understand that go back to the banking system...

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et rich or die tryi

+1 richie

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Quote from: mishax1 on April 01, 2016, 10:55:02 AM

Bittrex not willing to cooperate and rollback the trades? Don't trade there..

I will second that. And somehow the crap keeps piling up on Bittrex. Made so many bad experiences over there, I am fed up.

Sorry, but we are an exchange and did exactly what we are designed to do. It is not our fault that someone sold legitimate coins here that you want to invalidate. Do as you please, but I'm not going to do things that are detrimental to our system and users.

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Bittrex not willing to cooperate and rollback the trades? Don't trade there..

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Hi everyone,

I would like to put forward an idea to see what everyone thinks.

We know that Ohad, HMC and co devTeam are working very hard on this groundbreaking project.
It has been announced that Tau will be ready in a few months.
Agoras coin will then take 12months to launch.

My suggestion is that all test coins be allocated to Agoras investors (less scam purchases) as a bonus altcoin.
A two-for-one deal if you like.

Let's say the low utility BetaAgoras (can be renamed) blazes a path (for the 12 month in the future) premier Algoras coin.
It would be sad for investors to see other alt-coins compete on Tau platform with rising mkt caps in this 12 month waiting period.
Ofcourse various other altCoins can be developed on Tau by random individuals, BUT through this strategy we get a head start in building brand recognition and value that otherwise would be forfeit. Or give unnecessary ground to an Agoras competitor, however inferior and unlikely that may be. Also we gain greater cryptocoin market share overall by existing in BOTH the altcoin space, AND the premier high-utility space.

So in summary holders of Agoras could also receive a second coin BetaAgoras as a free bonus that launch from the genesis of Tau.
I believe that this initiative will help to maximise the creation of wealth from the Tau enabled cryptocurrencies, going to the primary investors associated with the Tau project - the Agoras token holders.

I also believe that for many potential investors the concerns of the 12 month delay will be allayed. Creating a positive and proactive investment platform for a successful pre-sale.

Thoughts?

Note: I am JackPeasant on freenode irc.

freenode#zennet
7:09 PM at least two coins will come first:
7:11 PM If there was a couple of test coins, a betaAgoras - low utility, and deltaAgoras high utility test
7:13 PM coins. Could these be issued to agoras token holders (but not those who benefited from scam) ?
7:23 PM Their continuation may have residual value as an alt coin in the Tau space.
7:24 PM They would assist in the agoras presale, countering the concern of having to wait 12months.
7:25 PM And tangibly establish the pre-eminent status of the agoras coin as a shield against quick-start competitors.
7:30 PM This in term will create a greater mkt share in the Tau Crypto-currency alt space rewarding Agoras investors.
7:32 PM A bonus residual alt coin or two, on top of the Agoras coin.
7:46 PM This would regain a very positive footing, generating substantial goodwill, and sales momentum.

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Quote from: richiela on March 31, 2016, 08:19:25 PM

Quote from: bytemuma on March 31, 2016, 05:56:50 PM

Wow man, this is like a mexican novel, no offense to mexicans. Shocked

Quote from: DecentralizeEconomics on March 31, 2016, 05:53:41 PM

Quote from: mr.coinzy on March 31, 2016, 05:13:40 PM

Quote from: yuyu123 on March 31, 2016, 05:05:10 PM

Bittrex should roll back all trades with stolen coins. Ohad should recompense them for the amount withdrawn by the scammer and for their fees earned from those trades.

Quote from: richiela on March 31, 2016, 11:45:53 AM

There is no way to reverse the trades. By the time we were notified, the coins were dumped and the BTC had been withdrawn

thanks,
richie@bittrex

I second that. If possible, bittrex should make a roll back and get compensated for any financial damage caused by withdrawals and such.

I too agree that this is the best and simplest way to handle this matter.

I second that.

What is the goal? Reversing the trades is a big task and i don't it's worth it given what I think you are trying to accomplish. If the goal is to get the 500k back, why not just arrange an off exchange purchase where ohad buys the coins back from the members that purchased them? It seems like all the majority of the coins ended up at buyers are known on this thread already and are willing to cooperate.

thanks,
Richie

There are only few trades involved with stolen tokens. Why reversing them is a big issue?

There are still 57295.22 token which are in unknown hands.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14378761

Another solution:
Does all the 500,000 stolen AGRS tokens are still in Bittrex? Can you distinguish them from the other (legitimate) AGRS tokens in Bittrex accounts? If true, Ohad can send you replacemnt IDNI tokens only for the legitimate tokens + the amount in bitcoin paid for the stolen tokens. Users that hold stolen tokens will receive the amount they spent in bitcoin, instead of replacement IDNI tokens.

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Quote from: ohad on April 01, 2016, 12:10:55 AM

tauchain.org/emails.tar.gz

Thanks Ohad.
I've sent you a private msg.
Let me know how you want to proceed.

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et rich or die tryi

the coin is no good to him/her/them so it us just stupid to keep it

EDIT, the guy who said he got dumped on what happens his coins?

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Quote from: klosure on April 01, 2016, 12:01:56 AM

Quote from: ohad on April 01, 2016, 12:00:51 AM

Quote from: klosure on March 31, 2016, 11:54:44 PM

Can you make a paste bins for all other emails as well?

you mean including the headers of each?

yes

tauchain.org/emails.tar.gz

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Quote from: ohad on April 01, 2016, 12:00:51 AM

Quote from: klosure on March 31, 2016, 11:54:44 PM

Can you make a paste bins for all other emails as well?

you mean including the headers of each?

yes

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Quote from: klosure on March 31, 2016, 11:54:44 PM

Can you make a paste bins for all other emails as well?

you mean including the headers of each?

klosure

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Can you make a paste bins for all other emails as well?

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sure http://pastebin.com/RevjcQiU

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Ohad, let's look at the SMTP headers.
Can you make a pastebin with all the raw emails he sent together with the headers?
(In gmail: click on the inverted triangle beside Reply. Select Show Original)

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Same scammer tried to scam another developer on the same day.
See conversation between the Xquadron dev and Polo moderator in the Polo trollbox log below (archives there)

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54 Tournmaster 2016-03-30 00:54:57 GeezUp, how many time its gone take to add Xquadron?
M 2086 GeezUp 2016-03-30 00:55:16 Tournmaster, https://poloniex.com/coinRequest
54 Tournmaster 2016-03-30 00:55:39 GeezUp, already done im talking with tristan now
54 Tournmaster 2016-03-30 00:56:26 GeezUp, so how long it will take?
M 2086 GeezUp 2016-03-30 00:56:31 Tournmaster, are you sure?
M 2086 GeezUp 2016-03-30 00:56:41 Tournmaster, who are you talking too?
M 2086 GeezUp 2016-03-30 00:56:52 Tournmaster, did they ask you for funds?
54 Tournmaster 2016-03-30 00:57:10 GeezUp, Busoni
M 2086 GeezUp 2016-03-30 00:57:32 Tournmaster, and how are you talking to him right now?
54 Tournmaster 2016-03-30 00:57:49 GeezUp, gmail
54 Tournmaster 2016-03-30 00:58:48 GeezUp, do i send the fund?
M 2086 GeezUp 2016-03-30 00:58:58 Tournmaster, They are a scammer
M 2086 GeezUp 2016-03-30 00:59:05 Tournmaster, if they are asking you for money
M 2086 GeezUp 2016-03-30 00:59:14 Tournmaster, what is the email address for them?
54 Tournmaster 2016-03-30 00:59:20 GeezUp, really grrrr i hate this kind of peolpe
M 2086 GeezUp 2016-03-30 00:59:35 Tournmaster, did you send them any money?
54 Tournmaster 2016-03-30 00:59:46 GeezUp, not yet
54 Tournmaster 2016-03-30 00:59:58 GeezUp, [email protected]
M 2086 GeezUp 2016-03-30 01:00:25 Tournmaster, ok please do not
M 2086 GeezUp 2016-03-30 01:00:30 that is an impostor
54 Tournmaster 2016-03-30 01:00:41 GeezUp, so xquadron is not gone be add today if i understand....
91 Blockcodes 2016-03-30 01:00:46 GeezUp, you guys didnt reserve your own gmail Sad

91 Blockcodes 2016-03-30 01:01:10 its a made up word
M 2086 GeezUp 2016-03-30 01:01:23 Tournmaster, no
54 Tournmaster 2016-03-30 01:01:33 *bleep*t
M 2086 GeezUp 2016-03-30 01:01:42 Blockcodes, we have poloniex but not poloneix
M 2086 GeezUp 2016-03-30 01:01:47 check the spelling
54 Tournmaster 2016-03-30 01:01:47 GeezUp, can you do something
M 2086 GeezUp 2016-03-30 01:01:56 Tournmaster, there is nothing i can do
91 Blockcodes 2016-03-30 01:02:03 GeezUp, ahhh I did not catch it first time tricky phishes
54 Tournmaster 2016-03-30 01:02:13 GeezUp, what can i do?
M 2086 GeezUp 2016-03-30 01:03:49 Tournmaster, to have the coin added?
M 2086 GeezUp 2016-03-30 01:04:21 Blockcodes, yes very tricky
54 Tournmaster 2016-03-30 01:04:57 GeezUp, yes to add Xquadron to polo
M 2086 GeezUp 2016-03-30 01:05:44 Tournmaster, if you requested, we will review
54 Tournmaster 2016-03-30 01:07:11 GeezUp, i already did it but send me a link i will try again
M 2086 GeezUp 2016-03-30 01:07:19 Tournmaster, https://poloniex.com/coinRequest

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im not going to waste my time answering

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