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legendary
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September 06, 2016, 02:11:00 PM
#34
Bitcoin and taxes are always so interesting topics for all of us. But I think, so countries collect taxes from the country then must make the bitcoin special rules about bitcoin. And of course the country must also have inventories bitcoin.
but i think upto now no country has any rule for paying tax on bitcoin, and the main reason is that bitcoin is still not accepted by the states, so we can only expect tax on bitcoin when the states will accept bitcoin.

Do you even read the posts above yours or are you just trying to get your post count in for your signature campaign (btw I am sending a message to your campaign manager that your not supplying any helpful information and just spamming threads that you know nothing about).

If by, "the states" you mean the United States then you are so wrong it isn't even funny.  Read a few posts up and stop presenting wrong information just for your post count.
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September 06, 2016, 01:46:16 PM
#33
Bitcoin and taxes are always so interesting topics for all of us. But I think, so countries collect taxes from the country then must make the bitcoin special rules about bitcoin. And of course the country must also have inventories bitcoin.
but i think upto now no country has any rule for paying tax on bitcoin, and the main reason is that bitcoin is still not accepted by the states, so we can only expect tax on bitcoin when the states will accept bitcoin.
hero member
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September 06, 2016, 01:03:46 AM
#32
Bitcoin is not yet recognized by the law of my country (and most of the other countries) so I am not clear about how it will be treated in taxation aspects.

There will be different kind of treatment for tax if bitcoin is classified as a currency, commodity or software. At this moment I think we can classify it in the software category.

I have paid tax while converting bitcoin to fiat but that’s not the actual tax for bitcoin, it was levied on the service of bitcoin to local currency conversion.
legendary
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September 05, 2016, 08:49:23 PM
#31
tax is another important issue related to bitcoin, but i think this problem can only be solved when bitcoin will be accepted  bye the state, if states are not going to consider bitcoin as legal currency then no one can impose tax on bitcoin.

Taxes are not imposed only on legal currencies. Taxes are imposed on goods, services and anything under the sun.
You can be rest assured that governments will want taxes, even if they don't accept bitcoin as legal tender.
legendary
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September 05, 2016, 02:09:46 AM
#30
Hi Everybody,

When getting Satoshi/Bitcoins from the internet in general, could you please tell me whether you have to pay tax to the country you get them from or do you just pay taxes to your own country?

Thanks for your help.




I think no country has imposed any taxes on bitcoin yet.It is only when you convert bitcoin to fiat,you might have to pay taxes and for that you must contact tax consultant in your country
sr. member
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September 04, 2016, 05:36:52 PM
#29
tax is another important issue related to bitcoin, but i think this problem can only be solved when bitcoin will be accepted  bye the state, if states are not going to consider bitcoin as legal currency then no one can impose tax on bitcoin.
legendary
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August 30, 2016, 10:12:10 AM
#28
Here is a good way to think about it, and will apply to just about any country.  If your net worth increases, you will most probably owe taxes on that.
but i think there is no tax on bitcoin any where, because no state has yet formally legalize bitcoin, and governments impose taxes only on legal things, but the government do not impose tax on such things which are illegal or having no concept in a state. therefore i do not think so that there is any tax on bitcoin.

That is so far from the truth it isn't even funny.  In the United States (and I assume most countries are like this) you still have to pay tax on illegal things.  If i go out and sell an ounce of weed and make a profit, I still have to pay taxes on that profit from the sale.  So even though it is illegal (in most states), I still owe taxes on it.  There are many famous cases of this where they couldn't nail the crime boss for anything related to trafficking, but got him hung up on not paying the taxes from the profits.

And furthermore, bitcoin has been classified as property in the United States by the IRS.  So the IRS has taken a position on what bitcoin is, which makes it very clear on how it should be taxed.
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August 30, 2016, 03:30:18 AM
#27
Bitcoin and taxes are always so interesting topics for all of us. But I think, so countries collect taxes from the country then must make the bitcoin special rules about bitcoin. And of course the country must also have inventories bitcoin.
and that is the reason that still there is no tax on bitcoin, as countries have not yet given legal status to bitcoin, and there is not to impost tax on illegal things. hope in future state will give legal status to bitcoin and after they will put taxes on bitcoin.
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August 30, 2016, 02:52:55 AM
#26
Here is a good way to think about it, and will apply to just about any country.  If your net worth increases, you will most probably owe taxes on that.
but i think there is no tax on bitcoin any where, because no state has yet formally legalize bitcoin, and governments impose taxes only on legal things, but the government do not impose tax on such things which are illegal or having no concept in a state. therefore i do not think so that there is any tax on bitcoin.
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August 26, 2016, 02:04:11 AM
#25
Bitcoin and taxes are always so interesting topics for all of us. But I think, so countries collect taxes from the country then must make the bitcoin special rules about bitcoin. And of course the country must also have inventories bitcoin.
legendary
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August 23, 2016, 08:39:43 PM
#24
in my openion , i think no tax is going in bitcoin . there is only transaction charge that is steal by the ower of satoshi centre .
if you are asking about traders  then i will say they are paying tax to own country .
traders are paying tax on fiat currency but there is still no tax on bitcoin because it is not yet legalize by the states, when the states legalize bitcoin then they will be thinking about to impose tax but still bitcoin is tax free.

This statement is wrong on so many levels, please delete it because you obviously have no idea what your talking about and it is just better to keep your mouth shut then to spread nonsense.
sr. member
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August 23, 2016, 05:45:41 PM
#23
in my openion , i think no tax is going in bitcoin . there is only transaction charge that is steal by the ower of satoshi centre .
if you are asking about traders  then i will say they are paying tax to own country .
traders are paying tax on fiat currency but there is still no tax on bitcoin because it is not yet legalize by the states, when the states legalize bitcoin then they will be thinking about to impose tax but still bitcoin is tax free.
legendary
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August 15, 2016, 10:22:38 PM
#22
Here is a good way to think about it, and will apply to just about any country.  If your net worth increases, you will most probably owe taxes on that.
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August 15, 2016, 10:03:15 PM
#21
in my openion , i think no tax is going in bitcoin . there is only transaction charge that is steal by the ower of satoshi centre .
if you are asking about traders  then i will say they are paying tax to own country .
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August 15, 2016, 10:02:36 PM
#20
i think tax depend upon the platform that is uses by the bitcoiners .
since i am from India i am using paytm wallet ( online wallet) which is free of tax to exchange money person to person and i am using that money directly for shoping and recharge .
if anyone is big trader than we can say he is paying tax to his own country .

Yes, American tax laws are f*cked up like you wouldn't believe.  You have it much easier I'm sure ...
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August 15, 2016, 09:58:52 PM
#19

You didn't mention how you came about the tokens.  But yes, you would still owe taxes on them.  Consider this...

Your example was the same as mine with trading silver for gold.  You owe tax on the event.  Your right that 50k of silver is of equal value as 50k of gold, but if you bought that 50k of silver for 30k, you owe 20k of gains in taxes because your base is 30k, but now you have a base in the gold of 50k.  Does that make sense?

Ok ... I think I got.

Anyways, I hate taxes. Lol ...
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August 15, 2016, 09:34:29 PM
#18
i think tax depend upon the platform that is uses by the bitcoiners .
since i am from India i am using paytm wallet ( online wallet) which is free of tax to exchange money person to person and i am using that money directly for shoping and recharge .
if anyone is big trader than we can say he is paying tax to his own country .
legendary
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August 15, 2016, 09:30:34 PM
#17

Now you would owe tax if your basis is zero on the tokens, or anything less than 500k.  I don't believe you can defer this gain in this situation, although I really only do corporation taxes, so I may be mistaken. But to my knowledge you would have to pay taxes on the gain of the original tokens, then your basis in the btc would be 500k.


If I trade my tokens for Bitcoin ... how is it that I would owe tax? Neither of these are money ... it is like trading one piece of art for another: my Gauguin for your Matisse. And by making the trade we've established that they are of ~ equal value. A like-kind exchange with no fiat involved. I think Poloniex owes tax on trading fees, and has to comply with anti-money laundering requirements. As someone mentioned I don't think this is a tax issue until I ultimately convert to fiat ... which could be a very long time.

I'm looking at this reference - it says proceeds from crowdfunding are taxable - see #10 near bottom of article - but then in item #11 says cryptocurrencies are taxable when converted to fiat:

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2013/04/08/11-Surprising-Things-You-Have-to-Pay-Taxes-On

So Ethereum, the DAO, and all the rest paid taxes on their proceeds?? I'm a bit skeptical ...

Meanwhile. I'm not going to worry about taxes until I convert to fiat, or until there is better clarity.

You didn't mention how you came about the tokens.  But yes, you would still owe taxes on them.  Consider this...

You are walking down the street, you find a $100 bill on the ground, you pick it up and put it in your pocket.  You now owe taxes on that $100.  Same thing if you were to find gold/silver/a private key with bitcoins on it/etc. 

If you mined the coins/tokens, yes you still owe tax on them, but depending on how you have it set up, you may be able to take some deductions for cost of the machines, electricity, and other expenses.  That is only if you have it set up as a business though.

Your example was the same as mine with trading silver for gold.  You owe tax on the event.  Your right that 50k of silver is of equal value as 50k of gold, but if you bought that 50k of silver for 30k, you owe 20k of gains in taxes because your base is 30k, but now you have a base in the gold of 50k.  Does that make sense?
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August 15, 2016, 07:23:29 PM
#16

Now you would owe tax if your basis is zero on the tokens, or anything less than 500k.  I don't believe you can defer this gain in this situation, although I really only do corporation taxes, so I may be mistaken. But to my knowledge you would have to pay taxes on the gain of the original tokens, then your basis in the btc would be 500k.


If I trade my tokens for Bitcoin ... how is it that I would owe tax? Neither of these are money ... it is like trading one piece of art for another: my Gauguin for your Matisse. And by making the trade we've established that they are of ~ equal value. A like-kind exchange with no fiat involved. I think Poloniex owes tax on trading fees, and has to comply with anti-money laundering requirements. As someone mentioned I don't think this is a tax issue until I ultimately convert to fiat ... which could be a very long time.

I'm looking at this reference - it says proceeds from crowdfunding are taxable - see #10 near bottom of article - but then in item #11 says cryptocurrencies are taxable when converted to fiat:

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2013/04/08/11-Surprising-Things-You-Have-to-Pay-Taxes-On

So Ethereum, the DAO, and all the rest paid taxes on their proceeds?? I'm a bit skeptical ...

Meanwhile. I'm not going to worry about taxes until I convert to fiat, or until there is better clarity.
legendary
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August 15, 2016, 06:00:25 PM
#15
Is Poloniex reporting these transactions just like a bank, i.e. any transaction over US$10k gets reported?

If they're not doing this now, I certainly think they're gearing up to do it. At the very least I assume they're keeping records in case they're hit with retrospective requests in the future. Who's to say the definition of Bitcoin in the eyes of US law won't change?

Poloniex does have USDT on there. I'm not sure whether that qualifies as just another alt legally or not. They're also rejecting NY residents so they're looking to be compliant.
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