Topic: Taxes on ETH staking rewards (Read 268 times)

We can't stop people from selling their crypto to Fiat. After all, the majority wants to make money. Holding crypto without selling is something that only a true believer would do. If you don't sell, there's no reason for the government to collect taxes from you. However, you'll be tempted to sell when you need the money to buy things you can't spend your crypto on. That's when you need to pay your taxes.

I have no problem with crypto taxation as long as it's done fairly. At least, the US doesn't charge as much taxes as India does. 

Why they want tax-free earnings? It's simple, that is because they want to enjoy all of their earnings. That's true what you said about almost everything in the US has a tax but on some other countries, it doesn't work like that, so people are not used to the taxation on cryptos if ever it will also be implemented on their country, plus most of them are already poor. This is one of the reasons on why they don't want to get taxed.

It's definitely fine if I'm being taxed when I use a service or a property of the government but I don't think cryptos or the platforms related to it are still their possessions. This is one of the reasons on why many are against the taxation in cryptos. Insurance and security are still possible even without the involvement of the government.

Yes, which injects additional complications into the mix. Suppose you paid your tax (in cash) on the ETH reward you happened to receive. However, you don't sell the ETH reward for the time being.

If ETH rises and you sell, do you still pay tax on the gains?

If ETH falls and you sell, do you get to deduct the loss?

Another way to put it, are ETH staking rewards like positions in a regular IRA or a Roth IRA?

I'm not aware of IRS guidance on this, but it seems pretty basic and essential for next year's taxes.

I will have to read more on this but I what I understand now is that staking is basically interest you earn from keeping your dollars in a bank so it is also income that should be subject to tax. The only question now is when it should be taxed? At the time you earned it in ETH or when it was converted to USD?

edit - Okay so it should reported as part of your taxable income at the time you earned the reward and not at the time you sold it. The IRS also clarifies that the valuation of the staking rewards is at the time of earning it.

This is different to the tax treatment of trading cryptocurrencies which is classified as capital assets and subject to capital gains tax.

That was one perfectly fine possibility (the one that arguably made more sense). Unfortunately, the IRS finally released the rules it decided to make up. According to these, you must pay tax at the "fair market value" of the rewards at the time you gain control of them (i.e., are able to sell).

In retrospect, this makes sense in terms for slowing down crypto adoption: If you stake, you're forced to go into cash at some point. No longer can you transact purely in crypto. In terms of maximizing the IRS's gains, it makes less sense, at least if you expect crypto to behave the same ways as since the beginning in 2009.

I don't get why the US wants to tax staking income if no Fiat (USD) transactions are involved? You only pay taxes if you sell your ETH to USD. Not if you earn and "hodl" ETH without selling. At least, that's how I understood it from the very beginning. If things have changed, then it means the US government is treating ETH as a security instead of a commodity.

Nonetheless, staking on centralized exchanges brings too many issues I'd like to avoid in the first place. Non-custodial staking is the way. Maybe the US will start hunting down ETH addresses using on-chain analytics tools (Chainalysis) to detect "tax evaders"? With how strict crypto regulations are becoming, we should expect the worse.

My understanding is that the amount you put into staking ETH on Coinbase is tax-free. The tax that will be collected will come from the rewards that will be obtained from the amount
you put in the stakes. Please correct me if I misunderstood. This is the taxable income from the IRS, right?

And my understanding is that Coinbase does not directly deduct the tax from our staking earnings; instead, we ourselves will report it in the tax return that is called.

Reference :

https://www.coinbase.com/learn/your-crypto/understanding-crypto-income
https://gordonlaw.com/cryptocurrency-tax-lawyer/
 


 
 

Just to be clear, I'm "happy" to pay my fair shares of taxes, provided the rules are clear and sensible. The problem is that while staking rewards were being earned, the IRS issued no guidance on how to treat them for tax purposes. When the guidance finally came, it was too late to do anything, such as selling the rewards for USD in order to pay the taxes in USD. You had to sell at whatever market prices came much later, unless you drew upon your own cash from other sources.

If you paid staking taxes in 2022, good luck straightening things out with the IRS. For 2023, Coinbase issued a 1099-MISC form with staking income that's reported to the IRS and that you need to use to pay those taxes from 2022 and before. The IRS will go by that form, not by your calculations (which had to be pretty much guesswork, given the lack of IRS guidance at the time).

They will happen for sure and we have to embrace that. As the crypto adoption increases, financial institutions are all in then it's no close book that everyone who have been staking or holding and then able to profit after selling will have to pay their obligations with the government through taxes. Well, every move we do then we have to take actions and part of it. Soon, we'll just talk about how people have been happy before on the early days of crypto when no government intervention, no bans, no taxes, no financial institutions are intervening but it can't be stopped.

that's also very true. its always an obligation to pay tax when you are a citizen of a country. we all have been paying our government but if i have to, i will really be happy to send money more than what is needed especially if we can see they build bridges and roads and infrastructures that will make the citizens comfortable. 

i'm not from US though. but here's what i heard from those guys who were paying diligently, the tax money should be going back to the community and not to the people crossing borders.

Maybe make sense Id hope this only applies to those who are sovereign by the US and not on Asian region. Its really hurt that government doing a lot of nasty stuff on crypto community. Does really staking reward needed a tax cause its an income from staking then thats mean they are considering it as investment? Well im not a lawyer as well and kinda have some buggy thoughts on this kind of matter but isnt it we are having a worse effect in the long run if this is the case?

Sad to see such stuffs in crypto world world, i mean some of you might disagree with me but I think it's something which we already knew and we were aware that centralized Exchanges and it's staking systems will will soon have taxes on all the crypto related profits or earnings through centralized exchanges and it's schemes. We cannot do much  but rather stay away from such stuffs and try to be on DEC as much as possible but due to lack of features and UI in DEX we are using CEX. Even I need to figure out a way to avoid such things in the future.

uhh you shouldn't be surprised at having to pay taxes on your staking rewards. Everyone knows you have to pay taxes on staking rewards. You owe taxes based on the price it was when you received it. Coinbase provides you with exactly how much you earn in both ETH and dollars every time they give you staking rewards. So all you have to do each year is get the report on Coinbase from the Account section or wherever, add up the dollar value for all your rewards for that year, and put that income on your taxes. It's real easy.

And yes you've had to do it since whenever ETH rewards became unlocked, I was thinking that was the merge back in 2022, but maybe it was the next update in April 2023 as you say. I paid taxes for 2022 based on the Sept 2022 price for all my previously earned staking rewards, plus the earnings the rest of the year after that, since that's when the ETH rewards were actually added to my account and Coinbase started stating how much I was earning in dollars, but I suppose maybe technically the April 2023 event was perhaps the actual taxable event if that's when unlocking was actually allowed.


I have no idea why you would think that you don't owe taxes on your previous staking rewards. IRS has long made clear that any staking rewards count as income for tax purposes and the taxable event is when you gain access to those rewards. So yeah, if April 2023 was when the stuff got unlocked, then that is the taxable event. So for 2023 taxes, your income as of April 2023 is ALL your staking rewards up to that point multiplied by the ETH price at that point, plus the dollar value of your staking rewards the rest of the year as you received them.

So no you aren't wrong. This is the case. I guess sucks that you didn't know this before but this tax policy has been publicly known for years. Shouldn't be a big deal, considering price in April 2023 was much lower than it is today and it's super easy to figure out your taxable income on Coinbase.

I don't know much about whether it's true or not but I want it to be true. Every sector in the US has taxes on it and I don't get why people in crypto want tax free earning. The governments have the complete right to impose taxes on each and everything they want because of the facilities they are giving you.As a citizen you are compelled to pay taxes.

The other side of the coin is that governments should provide security and insurance that whenever there will be a scam or something like that we have your back and we'll try to track the criminals behind that. In the past days a couple of blockchains owners were sentenced for some time and that's a positive sign too.

I have no idea how taxation goes there in the US but obviously, your country is one of the most strict in terms of implementing rules of it.

Coinbase is a registered company and that's why it has to send reports to the IRS and your government for most of the users. This is one of the reasons why KYC is implemented, not just to avoid money laundering but also for tax compliance.

You're free to withdraw your funds there for staking and it's not advisable to stake into centralized platforms if ever Coinbase has it. There are multicurrency wallets that where you can stake and it won't require you any kyc at least for now.

Indeed, this seems to be the case. If Coinbase issues a 1099-MISC form "earned" money in US dollars, who am I to argue (or even if I have any means at all to do so)? That's despite the gains not being realized in any way, shape, or form.

Could you go absolutely broke this way? Say, ETH is pumped up one instant to $1B and you get your 0.1% staking reward to the tune of $10M USD. Lucky you!

Except ETH craps down back to its usual pricing of $3K or so. Nonetheless, you gained $10M in terms of IRS taxable income. Just for that one instant.

So you better have a real good checking account of $3M or so in order to give the government what it rightfully deserves from you. Right?

You have to accept the obvious, if your government decides to tax you for income earned then you have little choice but pay it because they always win, if you don't, then you're breaking the law and you know the implications of that. So to be on the safe side of the law, give you government what belongs to it and have your peace, so better to remit tax on eth staking reward as demanded by them. Governments especially the US have been trying to regulate every crypto transactions, so it's no surprising that they'll unjustly go way back to demand taxations.

This isn't the first time, staking or any form of profits will comes under capital gains taxes as per US laws so you have to pay taxes even before 2023 but this could be your first time that's why you are wondering why should you have to pay taxes even when you hold as cryptos not converted into fiat.

coinbase IPO was 2021. the staking rewards back in 2020 shouldn't be taxed for this fact, correct?

if it's fair to say pay up your tax after all you are a citizen then they have to pay. most US citizens i think is on coinbase, it's a large sum to collect. Armstrong really did a big favor to the IRS for doing all this. he should win the highest medal for a civilian to have helped the country.

Coinbase is stock market listed company in US. So as per the local law, they are bound to report everything to IRS and other related departments. So they are doing what is expected.

Secondly, staking is your income. So you must have to pay your taxes as per the local law. That should be seen as a surprise at all. If you aren't sure about these things or not sure about the dollar value to consider, always take professional help. I am sure there are multiple tax law firms available in your country who knows how to deal with such things. Pay your taxes diligently because you wouldn't want regulatory hassles in your life.