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Quote from: pilosopotasyo on July 17, 2021, 08:57:26 AM

Quote from: stadus on July 16, 2021, 10:33:57 AM

That's why people have different religions because have different beliefs, for a country that most populations are Muslims, their laws of the land are based on the law of their God, we can't change that as that's why they believe even from the beginning. For us, gambling is just entertainment, but for them, it's a sin, we just have to respect that.

It is for these reasons that many gamblers are in countries which is not very restrictive like the US, Europe and some part of Asia, let's admit it gambling plays a big part in any countries in terms of taxes and community contribution, our brothers may treat gambling as sin but it's a big help especially in third world countries, this is one of their cash cows.

and the funny thing is that there are also many Arabs who gamble in vegas or Macau just because in their country gambling is prohibited...

taxes from gambling have an important role in building a city if it is managed properly, now it depends on our perception of whether gambling is a sin or not, as long as we don't steal or rob to play gambling then I think it's not a sin.

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Quote from: iv4n on July 16, 2021, 10:02:20 AM

The bottom line, people will find a way to do something they want, legal or illegal, with or without the law of GOD, it doesn't matter. So we have countries where many things are forbidden, we have countries where people can freely enjoy all life pleasures! For me that's crazy, I think this world, the entire world should be open and free for all! Like this, we will have people who will get arrested and go to jail simply because they wanted to enjoy something, without hurting anyone around!

Anyway, I am not sure what God has with gambling... it's just a game, and whoever likes to play should be free to play!

Exactly and I am not someone to speak on religious matters because I am afraid, I might end up upsetting someone but honestly I don't see why some people have a problem with gambling. Being a vegetarian I have more problems with people killing animals than gambling but that doesn't mean I would go on asking others to stop. Doing anything that doesn't bother the society directly and doesn't hurt someone, shouldn't be a problem for anyone.

Taxes on gambling is the right way of stopping people from doing it, in fact. Because you are setting the right example, that people are free to do whatever they want but we don't "encourage" gambling. Simple.

Everyone has the right to agree and disagree on something but banning something because one group doesn't approve it, sounds wrong.

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I always like to compare the whole impose-high-tax and allow precedently illegal activities issue to teenager-parent relations.
Parents can be very strict and prohibit smoking and alcohol, but that will just lead to kids wanting to violate rules even more and sneaking out to hang out and do all that in, possibly, bad companies.

If the parents are acting not as judgemental, on the other hand, the kids will be more straightforward about their activities and at least the parents will know what they're up to and will be able to control things to some extent.

So by imposing high taxes the governments are simply saying "we'll allow it, but we're not very happy about it". As a result, they gain both control and money. I don't think it's false morality, it's actually the opposite

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Quote from: paxmao on July 14, 2021, 05:37:29 PM

However, other countries simply set high taxes to these activities, which I think is a false morality, as if by paying these activities can be less questionable. (Note: I personally do not question regulated gambling).

I definitely agree. I may not call it a false morality, though. In the first place, the state is not saying gambling is now better because it gives more revenue. It is simply implementing a mechanism which will hopefully curb the proliferation of gambling. It simply tries to discourage gambling.

However, I will also question its effectivity. In the end, increasing gambling taxes would only widen the gap between the privileged and the poor. Gambling does not transform into a good thing. It would only become a luxury which only the rich can afford. Is there something wrong with it? I guess it does not sound right to say, "only you can do this bad thing because you've got the money."

I agree.

But I think it is better that only rich people are the ones who could afford to gamble on legal casinos because if poor people that has no stable income would play gambling to earn money, then the problem about poverty would just become worst for the Government to "solve". The reason behind huge amount of taxes of casinos is because the Government want to take advantage of earning huge money on it while they regulate it.

But nevertheless, poor people always make their own way to gamble that also lead to financial crisis because of too much money being spend on illegal gambling.

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Quote from: mindrust on July 17, 2021, 01:10:40 AM

They let these things at the heart of Amsterdam and the place was very close to be a shit hole last time I visited. That's the capital city of the Netherlands. As much as I liked my visit there, I thought about those people who actually live there and I decided that it is probably not a pleasant experience. The place was very crowded, people were pissing on the streets, vomiting, banging them bitchez, people sneaking on you and asking if you need coke... All kinds of shit like this.

Based on what you have shared, I think this is some of the many reasons why taxes, to be used on the distribution of wealth, income and provide better living condition for the nation, must be implemented. Although in this particular scenario, I think that business permit and surveillance and monitoring system to have safe public spaces are crucial. Considering that these are happening on a capital city, and around the communities, such activities must be closely regulated by the authorities.

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Quote from: stadus on July 16, 2021, 10:33:57 AM

That's why people have different religions because have different beliefs, for a country that most populations are Muslims, their laws of the land are based on the law of their God, we can't change that as that's why they believe even from the beginning. For us, gambling is just entertainment, but for them, it's a sin, we just have to respect that.

It is for these reasons that many gamblers are in countries which is not very restrictive like the US, Europe and some part of Asia, let's admit it gambling plays a big part in any countries in terms of taxes and community contribution, our brothers may treat gambling as sin but it's a big help especially in third world countries, this is one of their cash cows.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 14, 2021, 05:37:29 PM

activities that are considered diminishing for the workers or that may harm their health and personal relations (it must be difficult to be an addict to gambling or a prostitute and have a normal life).
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I don't understand why it would be more difficult to have a "normal life" as you say while being addict to gambling than with other addictions. The only danger in gambling addiction is the bankruptcy, but if you haven't a bad money management and don't play at rigged games, it's totally safe.

How safe is it if you become a gambling addict and can easily control gambling when all these temptations are not realized? Even taxes never remind you to pay gambling bills for a month. but you are the one who warns the tax collector to increase the limit.

It's starting to be ridiculous when gambling has to be taxed, even if you are tired of playing, you have to still pay taxes?

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Quote from: pilosopotasyo on July 17, 2021, 08:57:26 AM

our brothers may treat gambling as sin but it's a big help especially in third world countries, this is one of their cash cows.

The reason why some countries (most especially the Muslim countries) deemed gambling as sin is because some people will be addicted to it and lead to depression and what can result to loss of properties. If a lane man see the reason to why gambling is seen as a sin and just have fun with gambling while using only the money he can afford to lose and not affected emotionally by the loss and happy when gains, then gambling is not a sin.

I do not see any reason why you specified about third world country, the western countries are more developed and gain from taxes than the third world countries because they are richer.

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Quote from: robelneo on July 16, 2021, 05:50:16 PM

It is a form of discouraging people from launching a gambling site and for people to stop gambling because of the high cost of setting up and playing in casinos is indeed a false morality you still cannot stop people from gambling, rich people will ignore the cost but those average joes who want to play will have to find ways to sustain their cost of playing in the casinos, they are not punishing the rich players but the average players, who will bear the high cost of playing.

Very true. There are two things going on right now and both have their advantages and disadvantages.
Legalize Gambling but impose high taxes: Makes people gamble legally by paying taxes but it does allow people to gamble and although I don't oppose gambling, we all know overall it brings more harm than good for the gambler.

Ban Gambling: This sets a good example that the government doesn't allow anything that hurts their citizens but at the same time promotes illegal gambling and makes people think like they are being controlled by a dictator.

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Quote from: smyslov on July 17, 2021, 01:19:00 AM

They are lying this is a very bad alibi telling people that they are imposing taxes so people will not gamble, they just want poor people not to play or discourage but richer people can afford that, they cannot keep people from gambling rich or poor they just make it hard for them but stopping people to gamble is just impossible, if the country is under democratic jurisdiction.

That could be the intention and I think that is good, when you say poor, these people are struggling in life financially and they are not living a comfortable life, so why would they still gamble? It's very irresponsible and the government is just trying to solve the poverty problem by discouraging them.

The problem with the poor is that they gamble for income, while the rich who understand the risk and their chances gamble for fun only, so they will still live their life without worrying about their losses.

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They are lying this is a very bad alibi telling people that they are imposing taxes so people will not gamble, they just want poor people not to play or discourage but richer people can afford that, they cannot keep people from gambling rich or poor they just make it hard for them but stopping people to gamble is just impossible, if the country is under democratic jurisdiction.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 14, 2021, 05:37:29 PM

I was thinking that many countries are reluctant to legalise certain activities such as gambling, prostitution, smoking, ... and, apart from countries that have strong social and religious restrictions (I refer to those as the death-by-boredom countries) others simply consider than the state should not profit or allow activities that are considered diminishing for the workers or that may harm their health and personal relations (it must be difficult to be an addict to gambling or a prostitute and have a normal life).

However, other countries simply set high taxes to these activities, which I think is a false morality, as if by paying these activities can be less questionable. (Note: I personally do not question regulated gambling).

When you allow such things (prostitution, smoking, gambling) , people just overdo it (because they get addicted) and the place becomes a shit hole at the end of the day.

Maybe like Las Vegas where it is allowed to gamble, people should build other places like Las Vegas where it is allowed to smoke or bang them bitchez. That would work.

I agree, it is as if people have this innate nature of abusing things that they were given privilege to have and to do. In my opinion, it is possible that when other countries that set high taxes for activities like gambling, smoking and prostitution, they are doing it to discourage people from pursuing it through the use of financial constraint.

They let these things at the heart of Amsterdam and the place was very close to be a shit hole last time I visited. That's the capital city of the Netherlands. As much as I liked my visit there, I thought about those people who actually live there and I decided that it is probably not a pleasant experience. The place was very crowded, people were pissing on the streets, vomiting, banging them bitchez, people sneaking on you and asking if you need coke... All kinds of shit like this.

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Quote from: iv4n on July 16, 2021, 10:02:20 AM

The bottom line, people will find a way to do something they want, legal or illegal, with or without the law of GOD, it doesn't matter. So we have countries where many things are forbidden, we have countries where people can freely enjoy all life pleasures! For me that's crazy, I think this world, the entire world should be open and free for all! Like this, we will have people who will get arrested and go to jail simply because they wanted to enjoy something, without hurting anyone around!

And yet, government still find a way to make those people go to jail if they can't earn money from them but if it is legal then no worries being put to jail as it is legal anyway. Recently, four of my neighbours has been put to jail because of gambling even if it's just outside the house.

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Anyway, I am not sure what God has with gambling... it's just a game, and whoever likes to play should be free to play!

Each country have their own reason why gamble is illegal or legal. In my country, it is illegal to gamble if it is not authorised by the government. That is their way to respect one of the religion in my country as gambling is not legal in the law of God. You can ask other countries that doesn't ban gambling what are their reasons and also ask those who ban or won't accept gambling as legal. You'll see the reasons behind. In Roman Catholic, gambling is a sin in the law of God and government respected the religion but still people are gambling underground or cannot be seen easily unless someone reported them.

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Quote from: Saint-loup on July 16, 2021, 08:37:20 PM

Quote from: paxmao on July 14, 2021, 05:37:29 PM

activities that are considered diminishing for the workers or that may harm their health and personal relations (it must be difficult to be an addict to gambling or a prostitute and have a normal life).
~snip

I don't understand why it would be more difficult to have a "normal life" as you say while being addict to gambling than with other addictions. The only danger in gambling addiction is the bankruptcy, but if you haven't a bad money management and don't play at rigged games, it's totally safe.

I agree with you but that could happen to someone if he played gambling before and always come to the casino.
When he became addicted to gambling, he starts to ruin his "normal life" because all of what he thinks will be only playing gambling and not trying to stop and introspect if what he did is right or wrong.
The bankruptcy will come to that person when he did not see how much money he has already lost.
But I am sure if they realize the danger of playing gambling, that people deserve to have a second chance to change his life.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 14, 2021, 05:37:29 PM

activities that are considered diminishing for the workers or that may harm their health and personal relations (it must be difficult to be an addict to gambling or a prostitute and have a normal life).
~snip

I don't understand why it would be more difficult to have a "normal life" as you say while being addict to gambling than with other addictions. The only danger in gambling addiction is the bankruptcy, but if you haven't a bad money management and don't play at rigged games, it's totally safe.

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Quote from: robelneo on July 16, 2021, 05:50:16 PM

It is a form of discouraging people from launching a gambling site and for people to stop gambling because of the high cost of setting up and playing in casinos is indeed a false morality you still cannot stop people from gambling, rich people will ignore the cost but those average joes who want to play will have to find ways to sustain their cost of playing in the casinos, they are not punishing the rich players but the average players, who will bear the high cost of playing.

Rich gamblers can always play at their own terms. Their least worry maybe the tax.
And it is true, those average joe are the ones who are affected by such high percentage of tax.
But if you are a regular gambler, you usually don't worry about those things.
The important is you are playing. Just like a smoker, he doesn't care if the price per stick is already expensive.
And if you are the owner of the casino, you should have assessed those kind of bottlenecks.
Definitely, tax is one of the aspects you should take care of in order for your business to stay in the industry.

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It is a form of discouraging people from launching a gambling site and for people to stop gambling because of the high cost of setting up and playing in casinos is indeed a false morality you still cannot stop people from gambling, rich people will ignore the cost but those average joes who want to play will have to find ways to sustain their cost of playing in the casinos, they are not punishing the rich players but the average players, who will bear the high cost of playing.

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Quote from: paxmao on July 14, 2021, 05:37:29 PM

I was thinking that many countries are reluctant to legalise certain activities such as gambling, prostitution, smoking, ... and, apart from countries that have strong social and religious restrictions (I refer to those as the death-by-boredom countries) others simply consider than the state should not profit or allow activities that are considered diminishing for the workers or that may harm their health and personal relations (it must be difficult to be an addict to gambling or a prostitute and have a normal life).

However, other countries simply set high taxes to these activities, which I think is a false morality, as if by paying these activities can be less questionable. (Note: I personally do not question regulated gambling).

Op should not expect every country to legalise gambling. Most countries especially the developing countries believe that supporting gambling activities can triggers unethical behavior for their citizens which could result to illegal practices. Some of these countries still end up over tasking gambling companies in the bide of reducing the later effects of gambling on the society. To me, gambling should not been as an evil practices which is the misconceptions of most people towards gambling activities. High revenues are being generated from gambling companies and later the society will frown at it as if the government is not aware of their activities.

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Quote from: stadus on July 16, 2021, 10:33:57 AM

Quote from: iv4n on July 16, 2021, 10:02:20 AM

Quote from: stadus on July 16, 2021, 09:45:25 AM

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That's why people have different religions because have different beliefs, for a country that most populations are Muslims, their laws of the land are based on the law of their God, we can't change that as that's why they believe even from the beginning. For us, gambling is just entertainment, but for them, it's a sin, we just have to respect that.

And you still don't get it? I respect everyone, what you do is your own business, but those Muslims and others made laws that are against our human nature! Why they don't respect us? Why do they seek to punish us because we are doing something we like, something that's just entertainment for us? Why they don't let us be, instead they are trying to change us to look like them? I wish to be free, and to enjoy life... and I bet many people there want's that too, but they can't!

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Quote from: iv4n on July 16, 2021, 10:02:20 AM

Quote from: stadus on July 16, 2021, 09:45:25 AM

In some countries gambling is against the law of the country and against the law of God, these are Muslim countries and they'll stick with what they believe. Despite that, there are still people who gamble but we can't expect that the government will one day regulate gambling because when it's against the law of God, it cannot be changed, that will stay forever.
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The bottom line, people will find a way to do something they want, legal or illegal, with or without the law of GOD, it doesn't matter. So we have countries where many things are forbidden, we have countries where people can freely enjoy all life pleasures! For me that's crazy, I think this world, the entire world should be open and free for all! Like this, we will have people who will get arrested and go to jail simply because they wanted to enjoy something, without hurting anyone around!

Anyway, I am not sure what God has with gambling... it's just a game, and whoever likes to play should be free to play!

That's why people have different religions because have different beliefs, for a country that most populations are Muslims, their laws of the land are based on the law of their God, we can't change that as that's why they believe even from the beginning. For us, gambling is just entertainment, but for them, it's a sin, we just have to respect that.

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