Tea Party explained: a religious movement

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Quote from: Spendulus on July 19, 2014, 03:01:57 PM

PS. The Koch brothers, almighty Left effort to make them out as the New Evil Force, are libertarian in orientation. So if that's evil count me in.

Ya, I didn't realize how cool the Koch brothers were until I watched a Chris Hayes (is that the MSNBC liberal dude's name?) hit piece on them telling about their history. Talked about his time in the Libertarian Party, their fight for free market economics, etc.

I used to think they were two rich douches trying to take over Ron Paul's Tea Party movement.

I will still reserve judgement until I do my own research but they don't really affect me so there's no need.

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Quote from: Spendulus on July 19, 2014, 03:01:57 PM

Quote from: noviapriani on July 19, 2014, 07:10:34 AM

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Republican voters here who think or pretend the tea party is something special, separate from republicans are ignorant, or aware of the plan, as evidenced by the nitwits we see posting here. Rand Paul is the only one who seems different from tea party/ republican, and like his father will be cast aside

Apparently the Tea Party is special enough to cause 10% of the donors to get audited. Like me.

This thread has just convinced me to donate to the Tea Party again.

Thanks.

PS. The Koch brothers, almighty Left effort to make them out as the New Evil Force, are libertarian in orientation. So if that's evil count me in.

yeah, let's just take them for their labels, and cast aside all the shit they've done. that makes a whole lot of sense.

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Quote from: noviapriani on July 19, 2014, 07:10:34 AM

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Titus Oates, late in the reign of Charles II, is famed for having ginned up a wild conspiracy of Catholics to assassinate the King and install a regime of "popery" on the nation. His accusations were beyond absurd, Charles himself questioned him and laughed at him as an idiot, but the fears and hysteria of the arch-protestants made them willing to believe anything, no matter how idiotic, due to their fears of Catholicism.

Sound familiar? Look at how the 'baggers today view Washington, with that same ultimate paranoia that makes them willing to believe anything they are fed by the modern day Titus Oates--whether they be the Limbaughs, the Becks, the Fox News, no matter how hysterical or outlandish the accusations get, the fanatics--whether 'baggers or archprotestants, are willing to believe them.

I think the psychology between the 'baggers and the archreligious is the same, the only difference really is the object of their hatred and fear.

That does certainly seem to be the case regarding the mainstream media, some of these folks and their accusations against the tea party movement. Thanks, Umair. I didn't think you had it in you to be rational. Well done.

What you believe as a tea party person and what the national tea party lead by the Kock brothers is totally different than your view. They are not interested in making this country better for you and me. They don't give a shit about your freedoms. Their goal is to make more money for themselves and are more than willing to use the tea party to obtain their goal. Just as many politicians try and use the church for political gai

. Rand Paul is the only one who seems different from tea party/ republican, and like his father will be cast aside

I'm not saying the attacks on him won't come as they catch up to everyone especially when they're booming in the polls closing in on elections. But, he is amassing quite a cast of characters for his national and state staffing positions as well as meeting w/ large donors on a regular basis. Frankly, he's currently in the position Romney was in early on prior to him running this last time. He was well known, got plenty of allies in the party as well as having big donors in his back pocket. Rand has all of that plus a country and a party coming in his libertarian populist direction on many big fronts.

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Quote from: noviapriani on July 19, 2014, 07:10:34 AM

Racists have always been a part of the republican party helping them win elections.

Nope, but thanks for playing revisionist history bingo.

http://www.history.com/topics/ku-klux-klan

Nice! Careful their leftist heads may explode.

Then there's this gem: http://www.martindurkin.com/blogs/nazi-greens-inconvenient-history

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Quote from: noviapriani on July 19, 2014, 07:10:34 AM

Racists have always been a part of the republican party helping them win elections.

Nope, but thanks for playing revisionist history bingo.

http://www.history.com/topics/ku-klux-klan

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Quote from: noviapriani on July 19, 2014, 07:10:34 AM

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Republican voters here who think or pretend the tea party is something special, separate from republicans are ignorant, or aware of the plan, as evidenced by the nitwits we see posting here. Rand Paul is the only one who seems different from tea party/ republican, and like his father will be cast aside

Apparently the Tea Party is special enough to cause 10% of the donors to get audited. Like me.

This thread has just convinced me to donate to the Tea Party again.

Thanks.

PS. The Koch brothers, almighty Left effort to make them out as the New Evil Force, are libertarian in orientation. So if that's evil count me in.

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Tea party groups' suit against IRS moves forward
Tea party groups' lawsuit against IRS over reported extra scrutiny moves forward

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CINCINNATI (AP) -- A federal judge has allowed a lawsuit by 10 tea party groups to move forward against the Internal Revenue Service, rejecting a request by the federal government to dismiss all the allegations that the agency subjected conservative groups to additional, often burdensome scrutiny.

In her ruling Thursday, Judge Susan Dlott allowed two of the tea party groups' claims — including that the IRS discriminated and retaliated against them based on their views in violation of their free speech rights — to survive to trial.

The Cincinnati-based Dlott did dismiss a third claim, ruling the tea party groups could not pursue allegations of privacy violations on behalf of their individual members. The individuals themselves have to do that, she said.

Edward Greim, the lead attorney for the tea party groups, said Friday he is pleased the case will move forward.

More details...http://news.yahoo.com/tea-party-groups-suit-against-185614227.html

Despite what one's take on the different tea party groups is (yes there are hundreds throughout the country w/ a few monolithic ones), they were persecuted by corrupt progressive government officials at the IRS and that should speak volumes by itself.

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Quote from: umair127 on July 18, 2014, 12:25:19 PM

Quote from: noviapriani on July 18, 2014, 12:17:32 PM

Quote from: umair127 on July 18, 2014, 11:43:13 AM

Titus Oates, late in the reign of Charles II, is famed for having ginned up a wild conspiracy of Catholics to assassinate the King and install a regime of "popery" on the nation. His accusations were beyond absurd, Charles himself questioned him and laughed at him as an idiot, but the fears and hysteria of the arch-protestants made them willing to believe anything, no matter how idiotic, due to their fears of Catholicism.

Sound familiar? Look at how the 'baggers today view Washington, with that same ultimate paranoia that makes them willing to believe anything they are fed by the modern day Titus Oates--whether they be the Limbaughs, the Becks, the Fox News, no matter how hysterical or outlandish the accusations get, the fanatics--whether 'baggers or archprotestants, are willing to believe them.

I think the psychology between the 'baggers and the archreligious is the same, the only difference really is the object of their hatred and fear.

That does certainly seem to be the case regarding the mainstream media, some of these folks and their accusations against the tea party movement. Thanks, Umair. I didn't think you had it in you to be rational. Well done.

What you believe as a tea party person and what the national tea party lead by the Kock brothers is totally different than your view. They are not interested in making this country better for you and me. They don't give a shit about your freedoms. Their goal is to make more money for themselves and are more than willing to use the tea party to obtain their goal. Just as many politicians try and use the church for political gai

Really? Is that why they donated, what was it? a hundred million to a hospital? And is that why they donated 25 million to the United Negro College fund? Because they don't care about anyone's freedoms? How do you think they made money on just those two donations?

Do tell, please.

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Quote from: umair127 on July 18, 2014, 12:25:19 PM

Quote from: noviapriani on July 18, 2014, 12:17:32 PM

Quote from: umair127 on July 18, 2014, 11:43:13 AM

Titus Oates, late in the reign of Charles II, is famed for having ginned up a wild conspiracy of Catholics to assassinate the King and install a regime of "popery" on the nation. His accusations were beyond absurd, Charles himself questioned him and laughed at him as an idiot, but the fears and hysteria of the arch-protestants made them willing to believe anything, no matter how idiotic, due to their fears of Catholicism.

Sound familiar? Look at how the 'baggers today view Washington, with that same ultimate paranoia that makes them willing to believe anything they are fed by the modern day Titus Oates--whether they be the Limbaughs, the Becks, the Fox News, no matter how hysterical or outlandish the accusations get, the fanatics--whether 'baggers or archprotestants, are willing to believe them.

I think the psychology between the 'baggers and the archreligious is the same, the only difference really is the object of their hatred and fear.

That does certainly seem to be the case regarding the mainstream media, some of these folks and their accusations against the tea party movement. Thanks, Umair. I didn't think you had it in you to be rational. Well done.

What you believe as a tea party person and what the national tea party lead by the Kock brothers is totally different than your view. They are not interested in making this country better for you and me. They don't give a shit about your freedoms. Their goal is to make more money for themselves and are more than willing to use the tea party to obtain their goal. Just as many politicians try and use the church for political gai

The religious right has always been a part of the republican party helping them win elections. Racists have always been a part of the republican party helping them win elections. The rich have always been a part of the republican party helping them win elections

The tea party is the republican base made out to be something different, because hardly anyone defines themselves as being a republican anymore. If you want the tea party to go away then republicans will have to regain power so their base is no longer needed to hold the fort

Republican voters here who think or pretend the tea party is something special, separate from republicans are ignorant, or aware of the plan, as evidenced by the nitwits we see posting here. Rand Paul is the only one who seems different from tea party/ republican, and like his father will be cast aside

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Quote from: Bimmerhead on July 18, 2014, 09:19:43 PM

Quote from: Rigon on July 17, 2014, 11:35:31 AM

A very interesting post. It does seem to fit what is happening with the tea party today. Sadly it is turning into a religion of hatred.

Why is it the actual haters are always the first to accuse the other side of hatred?

The reason haters accuse the other side of hate is because they think a lot about hate.

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I've always seen the Tea Party as the Occupy Wall Street for the 1%ers. When you've got dirtbags like the Koch brothers supporting a 'movement' then you know it can only be bad thing.

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"What the Tea Party is."
-Author: someone who doesn't know what the Tea Party is but wants you to believe what they think the Tea Party is as to discredit it.

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Quote from: sana8410 on July 18, 2014, 09:24:50 AM

Quote from: Rigon on July 17, 2014, 12:33:08 PM

Quote from: umair127 on July 17, 2014, 12:21:33 PM

It is now a commonplace for Tea Party candidates to vow they won’t sacrifice an iota of their principles. In this light, shutting down the Government rather than bending on legislation becomes a moral imperative. While critics may decry such a tactic as “rule or ruin,” Tea Party brethren celebrate it, rather, as the act of a defiant Samson pulling down the pillars of the temple. For them, this is not demolition but reclamation, cleansing the sanctuary that has been profaned by liberals.

I see the tea party movement as very similar to the jihadist movement in the Muslim religion. Only their way is acceptable. This is the new religion that is sweeping the less intelligent of our people. The Old white men want to take this country back. The real problem is that yes everything looked better when you were young, but as you get older you pine for the good old days when you could walk or run around and you didn't get ackes and pains. Those days won't come back so for god sake quit trying.

It is very much like that. There is real religious fervor underlying this movement (I'm talking about batshit Christian fundamentalism and Dominionists etc)..... and the "libertarian" contingent that likes to present itself as NOT about this, is happy to throw in with them anyway and just ignore the Christian jihadist aspect. Ron and Rand Paul for example are Christianists to the core; they just don't advertise that part.
If you want stark evidence of this, you only have to look at the tree that Ted Cruz fell from...Daddy Rafael.

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Some inconvenient facts about Rafael Cruz

Ted Cruz is not alone. If you want Ted Cruz, you also get his father Rafael Cruz, who currently tours the country, giving outrageous speeches in which he spews hate and lies. His primary target is President Obama, and just a few days ago, some particularly shocking quotes by Rafael Cruz were highlighted by David Corn at Mother Jones, in an article which thankfully received a lot of attention.

Quote from Mother Jones:

In April, Rafael Cruz, the father of Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas), spoke to the tea party of Hood County, which is southwest of Fort Worth, and made a bold declaration: The United States is a "Christian nation." The septuagenarian businessman turned evangelical pastor did not choose to use the more inclusive formulation "Judeo-Christian nation." Insisting that the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution "were signed on the knees of the framers" and were a "divine revelation from God," he went on to say, "yet our president has the gall to tell us that this is not a Christian nation…The United States of America was formed to honor the word of God." Seven months earlier, Rafael Cruz, speaking to the North Texas Tea Party on behalf of his son, who was then running for Senate, called President Barack Obama an "outright Marxist" who "seeks to destroy all concept of God," and he urged the crowd to send Obama "back to Kenya."

Some really disturbing information at this link including video clips.

http://politicalgates.blogspot.com/2013/11/rafael-cruz-father-of-senator-ted-cruz.html

I am no christian in the traidtional sense, but I have to disagree with your assertion. There is no christian "jihad." If they start blowing up buses filled with peple and flying planes into buildings we might have an issue. Aside from being annoying (evangelicals) christians as a group are mostly harmless.

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Quote from: sana8410 on July 18, 2014, 09:34:16 AM

A porn star mom? No kidding? You really need to be a a rubber room somewhere.

Well, I for one am not hold that heritage against him.

We have serious ideological and practical work ethic differences, and in any case, his mom never rose to the level of stardom.

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Quote from: Rigon on July 17, 2014, 11:35:31 AM

A very interesting post. It does seem to fit what is happening with the tea party today. Sadly it is turning into a religion of hatred.

Why is it the actual haters are always the first to accuse the other side of hatred?

You post an article with the sole purpose of slandering a group of people who are trying to bring a semblance of fiscal sanity to the most indebted country in the history or the world and they are haters?

Have you also yet figured out that the article is not saying the TEA Party is an actual religion (Christian fundamentalist) but rather has the characteristics of a religion, as do socialism, atheism, and especially the environmental movement?

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Quote from: Westin Landon Cox on July 18, 2014, 04:31:50 PM

The dumbest people in the world are Obama supporters. Close runner ups are Joe Biden and Harry Reid, but at least they both have the excuse of being brain damaged from medical conditions.

Todd Akin wasn't Tea Party. He's just an idiot liars like to associate with the Tea Party, because that's the kind of thing liars do.

Regardless, I have no qualms being associated with a movement that has as it's motto "Taxed Enough Already" and which does not have a bunch of side issues on social agendas. That's about as simple as it gets, isn't it?

Obviously, we're seeing the orchestration of the beginning (drumroll) of the smear campaign against the fiscal conservatives in the lead up to the 2014 elections.

How about that.

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Get your filthy fiat off me you damn dirty state.

You're jumping to a lot of conclusions, but I suppose that's because you need to keep your worldview simple.

That article says Akin *claimed* to be Tea Party. It also said he beat the candidate Palin endorsed. Does that confuse you?

I'm not a huge Palin fan, but the only evidence that's she's dumb is that she's bad in hostile interviews. Oh, and she has a funny accent. I suppose we'll find out if Obama's bad in hostile interviews if he ever has one.

Bachmann was always more of a Mark Levin type. Levin is sympathetic to the Tea Party, and his book Liberty and Tyranny was a big influence on the start of the Tea Party, but it's not a very direct connection. Yes, I suppose she's Tea Party, but not the best representative. In any case, the Tea Party is quite decentralized (contrary to your Koch fantasies).

There. I commented on all three.

Oh, and the Koch brothers have been part of the liberty/libertarian movement for decades. As far as I'm concerned people who have a problem with the libertarian movement in general should GTFO of Bitcoin and join something more suitable. Maybe an ILoveTheStatecoin.

By the way, I find it amusing to be called a "troll" by anyone who uses the term "teabagger". It's like being called a racist by a klansman.

For Tea Party types reading this, it's because of assholes like this that you need to go dark.

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nice job trolling. i like it how rightwing nuts like you ignore 3 of the examples i give, and then argue against one subject. have fun fear mongering your family and friends about how obama is an autocratic nazi born in kenya to terrorist muslim parents.

oh, and here is information on todd akin, the tea party-backed candidate in 2012. i'm even using your favorite news source as evidence. you'll probably end up interpretting it however you like, since you seem to live in a tea party bubble.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/07/congressman-akins-wins-missouri-gop-senate-primary-to-take-on-sen-mccaskill/

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Get your filthy fiat off me you damn dirty state.

The dumbest people in the world are Obama supporters. Close runner ups are Joe Biden and Harry Reid, but at least they both have the excuse of being brain damaged from medical conditions.

Todd Akin wasn't Tea Party. He's just an idiot liars like to associate with the Tea Party, because that's the kind of thing liars do.

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