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Quote from: erikalui on September 03, 2019, 05:17:29 AM

They did not choose any man of the series even though the series got over. They could have chosen Rahane who performed well in both matches.

Virat is now on the 2nd position and Smith after a year ban is on the first with just 1 point more. Hope Virat can perform better against SA as his performance was not so consistent in both matches.

At least against weak sides such as West Indies, other batsmen like Ajinkya Rahane are contributing and so they are not overly dependent on Virat Kohli. But I don't know what will happen against South Africa, as they have a good pace attack. Perhaps the Indian batsmen can do better, as flat subcontinental pitches don't offer much seam movement and bounce.

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Quote from: erikalui on September 03, 2019, 05:17:29 AM

They did not choose any man of the series even though the series got over. They could have chosen Rahane who performed well in both matches.

Virat is now on the 2nd position and Smith after a year ban is on the first with just 1 point more. Hope Virat can perform better against SA as his performance was not so consistent in both matches.

Smith has come back strongly after the ban and continuing his best performance. Virat would definitely want to get back his top form against deadly SA as it would be a tough series for India. WI would have thought of better cricket but just did not deliver it .

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Love their reactions towards the bad crowd. The Kohli and Bumrah combo is epic. The best batsman and bowler of the Indian team currently have been delivering consistently from quite sometime now and I am hoping that they continue doing so in the upcoming SA series.

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They did not choose any man of the series even though the series got over. They could have chosen Rahane who performed well in both matches.

Virat is now on the 2nd position and Smith after a year ban is on the first with just 1 point more. Hope Virat can perform better against SA as his performance was not so consistent in both matches.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 02, 2019, 09:02:09 PM

Anyway, India won the match and I don't want to complain too much about Kohli's decision. But he should be more careful in the future. Throughout the series, Indians treated the WI like some club side. It is partially true, as a West Indies team without players such as Dre Russell, Kieron Pollard and Chris Gayle is even worse than an associate side such as the Netherlands. Kemar Roach was the sole international quality player in the entire XI. When they give chances to Rahkeem Cornwall and Shamarh Brooks, you know there is something wrong with the team.

See even Indian cricket has faced many challenges like this before when the team don't have a proper batsman in the past. It doesn't mean that WI is not strong, International games will always have a proper selection team behind every cricket nation. Some time, every country will face this type of challenges so we shouldn't blame WI.

By the time we also need to be clear about the support the West Indies team have got from their own board. From my view they've got big players, but the board and players have some misunderstanding which has gone into controversy several times. This will surely cause some drawback while the player selection is done.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 02, 2019, 09:02:09 PM

Anyway, India won the match and I don't want to complain too much about Kohli's decision. But he should be more careful in the future. Throughout the series, Indians treated the WI like some club side. It is partially true, as a West Indies team without players such as Dre Russell, Kieron Pollard and Chris Gayle is even worse than an associate side such as the Netherlands.

The players that you mentioned are excellent T20 cricketers and are decent ODI players. They are not great test players which is why I can understand their omission.

Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 02, 2019, 09:02:09 PM

Kemar Roach was the sole international quality player in the entire XI. When they give chances to Rahkeem Cornwall and Shamarh Brooks, you know there is something wrong with the team.

Jason Holder? Roston Chase? You need to understand that the West Indian team has been performing badly for quite sometime now. Also, Cornwall took the important wicket of Pujara and his economy was good which is why he was a good selection.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 02, 2019, 09:02:09 PM

Anyway, India won the match and I don't want to complain too much about Kohli's decision. But he should be more careful in the future. Throughout the series, Indians treated the WI like some club side. It is partially true, as a West Indies team without players such as Dre Russell, Kieron Pollard and Chris Gayle is even worse than an associate side such as the Netherlands. Kemar Roach was the sole international quality player in the entire XI. When they give chances to Rahkeem Cornwall and Shamarh Brooks, you know there is something wrong with the team.

See even Indian cricket has faced many challenges like this before when the team don't have a proper batsman in the past. It doesn't mean that WI is not strong, International games will always have a proper selection team behind every cricket nation. Some time, every country will face this type of challenges so we shouldn't blame WI.

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Quote from: Indymoney on September 02, 2019, 03:01:27 PM

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India is going to play two series at home against South Africa and Bangladesh and then one away series against New Zealand this is very good time for them to widening gape from tough competitors as they can won these all three and two are two tests and one is three tests against South Africa in my view they can go through 3 - 0 so they will lead for some long time.

No doubt India is fav against the visiting teams. SA lost her charm after the departure of many players but who knows if any new player perform exceptionally and stand out in the series. Bangladesh is a good team, but their record is not excellent against India, so there are some chances to seize some points.

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Anyway, India won the match and I don't want to complain too much about Kohli's decision. But he should be more careful in the future. Throughout the series, Indians treated the WI like some club side. It is partially true, as a West Indies team without players such as Dre Russell, Kieron Pollard and Chris Gayle is even worse than an associate side such as the Netherlands. Kemar Roach was the sole international quality player in the entire XI. When they give chances to Rahkeem Cornwall and Shamarh Brooks, you know there is something wrong with the team.

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Quote from: JSRAW on September 02, 2019, 02:38:01 PM

^ lol this meme is funny.

And it's not the first time when Kohli took this decision.

@indy : Indian team made it look easy, the only time windies were in the game --first day first session-- After this they gave up against Indian middle-lower order and Indian bowlers. was expecting at least some fight in the final inning.

Yeah, i was checking the point table and as of now it's look weird TBH.

India won 2 match series and got 120 points
SL and NZ both won 1-1 game and have 60 points each
AUS and ENG both won 1-1 and 1 draw, they have 32 points each.

Soon India is going to have 4-5 match series as well. Less win in 4-5 match series - less points. So plenty of chances for every team to comeback, teams playing less game got extra edge IMO.

India is going to play two series at home against South Africa and Bangladesh and then one away series against New Zealand this is very good time for them to widening gape from tough competitors as they can won these all three and two are two tests and one is three tests against South Africa in my view they can go through 3 - 0 so they will lead for some long time.

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^ lol this meme is funny.

And it's not the first time when Kohli took this decision.

@indy : Indian team made it look easy, the only time windies were in the game --first day first session-- After this they gave up against Indian middle-lower order and Indian bowlers. was expecting at least some fight in the final inning.

Yeah, i was checking the point table and as of now it's look weird TBH.

India won 2 match series and got 120 points
SL and NZ both won 1-1 game and have 60 points each
AUS and ENG both won 1-1 and 1 draw, they have 32 points each.

Soon India is going to have 4-5 match series as well. Less win in 4-5 match series - less points. So plenty of chances for every team to comeback, teams playing less game got extra edge IMO.

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Even Virat did not knew why he did not took the follow ON Cheesy

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on September 02, 2019, 11:23:55 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on September 02, 2019, 08:40:48 AM

^^ Bhai no one saying that windies going to win according to current scenario. But we were arguing about why Kohli didn't opt for follow on. We are trying to make sense or looking for at least one logical reason behind this decision.

Logically there is no reason on why Kholi did not took follow on.
Tell me one thing, which is considered as a more big win in test cricket ?

Wining a test match by 200 Runs and an innings ?
OR winning a test match by 600 runs Tongue

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Kholi must be out of his mind.

Kohli out of his mind its not problem for India as now they are 120 points and leading World Test Championship table after winning second test by big margin and now they have some good edge against all teams and in very strong position to win this inaugural World Test Championship congrats to them for this big and good win.

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Quote from: JSRAW on September 02, 2019, 08:40:48 AM

^^ Bhai no one saying that windies going to win according to current scenario. But we were arguing about why Kohli didn't opt for follow on. We are trying to make sense or looking for at least one logical reason behind this decision.

Logically there is no reason on why Kholi did not took follow on.
Tell me one thing, which is considered as a more big win in test cricket ?

Wining a test match by 200 Runs and an innings ?
OR winning a test match by 600 runs Tongue

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Kholi must be out of his mind.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on September 02, 2019, 05:21:27 AM

This did not make sense to me. Did Kohli think that they were only 168 runs short with the lead they had in the first innings? It seems like they wasted the 2nd innings. They could ask WI to follow on and can win the match from there. If needed then they could bat later but now it's impossible (assuming WI will not able to chase the run).

Imagine somehow WI managed to chase this run (Yeah, we all know it's not likely to happen but still)?

May be he wanted to put up a score of 400+ but still it's not logical when you can chase it down. Now if by any chance WI chase it down (highly impossible looking at WI's state), India will lose the match.

But here's an interesting record:

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Moving over to the longest format, India have not lost a Test series against West Indies since 2002 even though the number-one ranked team is still behind in the head-to-head series records.

https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/cricket/story/west-indies-vs-india-test-series-stats-preview-ind-look-to-maintain-17-year-unbeaten-streak-in-tests-vs-wi-1587261-2019-08-21

And again some weird decisions made by India in 2016 and 17:

2016-2017 India v New Zealand
2016-2017 India v Bangladesh

India declared their first innings after getting 587, 687 runs and then chose not to follow on after having 250-280+ runs for the other team to defend. They ultimately won both the matches by 321 and 208 runs respectively.

It's been only twice that a team who chose not to follow on have lost the match.

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Quote from: Haunebu on September 02, 2019, 08:15:18 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on September 02, 2019, 06:08:51 AM

Windies need 3 big innings to pull this off. If they win then will criticise virat Kohli's decision Grin

and more importantly every one will go gaga ( including me ) and say finally cricket won.

I agree. Kohli has done an amazing job thus far and I don't really care about small stuff like follow on etc. He must have carefully thought about it which is why it is best to trust his judgement.

Quote from: AB de Royse777 on September 02, 2019, 06:17:49 AM

But adding only 168 and then to declare did not make sense to me. Was he worried about not getting much time to all out WI 2nd innings, or he was worried that rain could interrupt the match?

Do you guys actually think that West Indies can actually pull this off just like England? I don't get why people tend to focus on the pointless stuff like follow on etc when India has pretty much wrapped this up. My guess is that West Indies will wrap up their innings within 150.

It is a big target for West Indies to defend, also it is important to think about the day at which match is being played. West Indies too performs good, and a strong partnership could change the match. Though there is no one to stand big partnership this time West Indies will surely score above 250 runs.

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^^ Bhai no one saying that windies going to win according to current scenario. But we were arguing about why Kohli didn't opt for follow on. We are trying to make sense or looking for at least one logical reason behind this decision.

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Quote from: JSRAW on September 02, 2019, 06:08:51 AM

Windies need 3 big innings to pull this off. If they win then will criticise virat Kohli's decision Grin

and more importantly every one will go gaga ( including me ) and say finally cricket won.

I agree. Kohli has done an amazing job thus far and I don't really care about small stuff like follow on etc. He must have carefully thought about it which is why it is best to trust his judgement.

Quote from: AB de Royse777 on September 02, 2019, 06:17:49 AM

But adding only 168 and then to declare did not make sense to me. Was he worried about not getting much time to all out WI 2nd innings, or he was worried that rain could interrupt the match?

Do you guys actually think that West Indies can actually pull this off just like England? I don't get why people tend to focus on the pointless stuff like follow on etc when India has pretty much wrapped this up. My guess is that West Indies will wrap up their innings within 150.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on September 02, 2019, 07:44:31 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on September 02, 2019, 07:26:37 AM

He might be thinking of giving seamers little more rest because it's hot and India playing with 3 seamers.

The bowling team bowled only 47.1 overs before the wrapping up the WI first innings LOL
This excuse also does not adds up :-P

Well was watching match live and Ishant -bumrah were looking uncomfortable. Bumrah went out when he got cramp and Ishant was taking fluid all the time with ice pack.

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Quote from: JSRAW on September 02, 2019, 07:26:37 AM

He might be thinking of giving seamers little more rest because it's hot and India playing with 3 seamers.

The bowling team bowled only 47.1 overs before the wrapping up the WI first innings LOL
This excuse also does not adds up :-P

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