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Quote from: Little Mouse on September 10, 2019, 10:41:20 AM

It would be better if the ICC put the same number of matches for each team.

I feel also the same. I think it is kinda unfair where one team is getting bigger share of points winning in one match in 3 match series than other team which is getting fairly low points winning one match in 5 match series. They should bring it down to same no. of match for each team and same no. of matches to be played against each team as well.

BTW I love that ICC is kinda giving a weight to Test format now.

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I think some of the users are still confused about the World Test Championship with the ICC Cricket World Cup Super League. Not all the test playing nations are taking part in this tournament. Out of the 12 test playing countries (now 11), only 9 are taking part. Ireland and Afghanistan (previously Zimbabwe) as well are part of the Division 2 test championship and don't have the rights to take part in the WTC.

The ICC Cricket World Cup Super League is different. It is an ODI championship and a total of 13 nations are taking part (12 test playing nations + Netherlands). The format is similar to the World Test Championship, with each nation playing against the other at least once during the period. It needs to be seen whether Zimbabwe will be replaced by the 14th ranking team (Scotland?).

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Quote from: erikalui on September 10, 2019, 09:31:28 AM

The other teams are yet to play matches in this test championship and according to the number of matches, their points will be calculated. Regarding how many matches each team will play is inconsistent. I counted that England will play 22 matches, Aus about 19, Ind about 18, NZ 14 so each team gets to play different number of matches then how will they have a fair result. It's all confusing.

Have you checked how much series will each team play? I think each team will have the same amount of series, so matches don't count here as per your previous calculation. It would be better if the ICC put the same number of matches for each team.
By the way, I think Ban vs Afg match is out of the count since this series had only one test.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on September 10, 2019, 08:11:48 AM

So how about SA, Pakistan and Bangladesh who did not play any single test till yet. Also how many test each team will play and when will the winner of ICC test series will be finalized or announced ?

The other teams are yet to play matches in this test championship and according to the number of matches, their points will be calculated. Regarding how many matches each team will play is inconsistent. I counted that England will play 22 matches, Aus about 19, Ind about 18, NZ 14 so each team gets to play different number of matches then how will they have a fair result. It's all confusing.

Quote from: Little Mouse on September 10, 2019, 08:15:56 AM

That's understandable, I was confused with the calculation from wikipedia. They need to update information, whoever contributed, they need to update it. That makes a fair evaluation for fewer matches series.

I couldn't follow that page but am checking this wikipedia page which has all the details about only this test championship.

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Quote from: erikalui on September 10, 2019, 05:16:53 AM

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Each team plays six series, with each series counting for 120 points, distributed over the number of matches in a series. For example, a two-match series will mean 60 points for each Test while a three-match series will give 40 points to each Test match. A tie will be 50% of the points available, whilst a draw will be a 3:1 points ratio.

That's understandable, I was confused with the calculation from wikipedia. They need to update information, whoever contributed, they need to update it. That makes a fair evaluation for fewer matches series.

Quote from: Murat on September 10, 2019, 05:19:19 AM

I think they would be really embarrassed about playing test cricket for 19 years and still lose against new test-playing countries like Afghanistan.

Bangladesh got ODI status at 1997 and beat Pakistan in 1999 world cup, Ireland beat England on 2011 world cup, for your info, shit happens. Also, Bangladesh is barely a very much strong team in test format.

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Quote from: erikalui on September 10, 2019, 05:16:53 AM

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Each team plays six series, with each series counting for 120 points, distributed over the number of matches in a series. For example, a two-match series will mean 60 points for each Test while a three-match series will give 40 points to each Test match. A tie will be 50% of the points available, whilst a draw will be a 3:1 points ratio.

espncricinfo.com/table/series/19430/icc-world-test-championship and https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cricket/icc-world-test-championship-wtc-2019-rules-schedule-fixtures-matches-league-format-points-system-table-streaming-teams-final-result/article28745189.ece

India won the series so got 120 points from 2 matches. SL and NZ played 2 tests where SL and NZ won one-one so 60 points. ENG and Aus are playing 5 tests which means 24 points each for a win and 8 points for a draw. Aus won twice and had a draw once which means 56 points and England won once and had a draw once means 32 points.

As more matches are played, the points calculation would be even more confusing as so many draws, wins, losses. But this time we have seen that most matches had a result while a draw was only because of the weather ruining 1.5 days. Else that match also would have a result and Eng would get those 24 points.

So how about SA, Pakistan and Bangladesh who did not play any single test till yet. Also how many test each team will play and when will the winner of ICC test series will be finalized or announced ?

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So, rain couldn't protect Bangladesh as they lost with big margin of 224 runs. I think they would be really embarrassed about playing test cricket for 19 years and still lose against new test-playing countries like Afghanistan. We must give credit to the Afghanistan team because they played really really well with the bowl and bat. Rashid khan is a gem for Afghanistan, he is full of talent. I am quite happy to see a team like Afghanistan is developing very well and in the future, they can be a threat to every test playing nation. Perhaps, I am anticipating for the T20 Tri-Nation series between Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, and Afghanistan starting from the 13th of this month.

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Each team plays six series, with each series counting for 120 points, distributed over the number of matches in a series. For example, a two-match series will mean 60 points for each Test while a three-match series will give 40 points to each Test match. A tie will be 50% of the points available, whilst a draw will be a 3:1 points ratio.

espncricinfo.com/table/series/19430/icc-world-test-championship and https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cricket/icc-world-test-championship-wtc-2019-rules-schedule-fixtures-matches-league-format-points-system-table-streaming-teams-final-result/article28745189.ece

India won the series so got 120 points from 2 matches. SL and NZ played 2 tests where SL and NZ won one-one so 60 points. ENG and Aus are playing 5 tests which means 24 points each for a win and 8 points for a draw. Aus won twice and had a draw once which means 56 points and England won once and had a draw once means 32 points.

As more matches are played, the points calculation would be even more confusing as so many draws, wins, losses. But this time we have seen that most matches had a result while a draw was only because of the weather ruining 1.5 days. Else that match also would have a result and Eng would get those 24 points.

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Quote from: erikalui on September 09, 2019, 12:18:51 PM

Can't get how these points are being calculated. After winning 2 games and drawn 1, how come Aus has lesser points than SL that has won only one game and drawn 1? Aus has won the first test by 251 runs and the 4th test by 185 runs.

If wikipedia is correct, SL has good test records in the last years, although I am not certain how this calculation has been done. Also, it follows the calculation shown in wikipedia, why teams previous records will be counted? Will not it be over-estimated/under-estimated?

Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 09, 2019, 08:35:11 PM

From what I have heard, Afghanistan receives much lower ICC funding when compared to Zimbabwe.

According to this stats, Zimbabwe will be receiving $94 million throughout 2016-2023, India being top will receive $293 million, England will be receiving $143 million while the rest 7 full members will $132 million each.

Who are the rest 7 full members as per then time? I assume Afghanistan wasn't there.

Again, the associate members will receive a total of $280 million, which includes 92 teams at the moment. If Afghanistan was an associate member, they get a little amount but they are not anymore associate member.
Since they have been promoted to full member, they must be paid $132 m, which is far above than Zimbabwe.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on September 09, 2019, 08:08:30 AM

I think it is worth looking at the ICC World Test Championship table now.

Interesting. This table will see many teams switching positions back and forth for quite a while and I am simply interested in the final results in 2021 which is why I would not pay much attention to these rankings currently.

Quote from: akhjob on September 09, 2019, 09:05:37 AM

I wouldn't say that Luck favoured them, they won because of their exemplary performance. Afghans would have finished the game on the 4th day itself, if the rain didn't interrupt the match.

Luck did favor them and you answered the question yourself. If it would have rained again, Bangladesh could have a better chance at a draw here. Afghanistan truly deserved this win.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on September 09, 2019, 12:53:09 PM

It was like Bangladesh committing suicide by themselves. They made the pitch too friendly for the spinners, disregarding the fact that the Afghan lineup had at least one world class spinner (Rashid Khan). And now they have a loss against their name, and that too at home versus a team that was just promoted as a test playing nation.

It is most common for the home side to make a pitch that suites their bowlers and that came back and bit them hard because the new team in world cricket just happen to have a world class talented spinner in Rashid Khan, it was not a fluke upset but a commanding performance by the Afghan players and they deserve to be in the Test level than Zimbabwe.

Zimbabwe remains suspended from all forms of cricket, and therefore we don't need any comparison with them. For sure, Afghanistan is many times more talented when compared to Zimbabwe. I would like Zimbabwe's membership terminated from the ICC. They were given too many chances and hundreds of millions of USD in ICC revenue have been wasted over them.

From what I have heard, Afghanistan receives much lower ICC funding when compared to Zimbabwe. This needs to change. Better performing teams deserve a bigger slice of the ICC revenues. And any funding given to the ZCB is sure to be stolen, due to the political climate prevailing over there. Tough decisions needs to be taken and unfortunately that is not going to augur well for Zimbabwe.

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Quote from: erikalui on September 09, 2019, 12:18:51 PM

Quote from: UmerIdrees on September 09, 2019, 08:08:30 AM

I think it is worth looking at the ICC World Test Championship table now.

Can't get how these points are being calculated. After winning 2 games and drawn 1, how come Aus has lesser points than SL that has won only one game and drawn 1? Aus has won the first test by 251 runs and the 4th test by 185 runs.

I was thinking the same mate but then I thought that maybe they deduct points for a loss and for a draw. That's the only way this can make sense so it looks like for a loss the team loses 60 points and for a draw its 4 points but then it doesn't make sense for England as they have lost 2 matches and only won 1 so they should be on 0 points? I hope someone can explain how the points are calculated because it doesn't make much sense.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on September 09, 2019, 12:53:09 PM

It was like Bangladesh committing suicide by themselves. They made the pitch too friendly for the spinners, disregarding the fact that the Afghan lineup had at least one world class spinner (Rashid Khan). And now they have a loss against their name, and that too at home versus a team that was just promoted as a test playing nation.

It is most common for the home side to make a pitch that suites their bowlers and that came back and bit them hard because the new team in world cricket just happen to have a world class talented spinner in Rashid Khan, it was not a fluke upset but a commanding performance by the Afghan players and they deserve to be in the Test level than Zimbabwe.

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This time in Africa the government might have declared it a holiday to celebrate the winning against Bangladesh. Earlier when India lost to Bangladesh, the government declared it a holiday to the entire country. This shows the true spirit of Afghanistan doing hard work to progress further. Bangladesh could never expected this to happen, all the above this is a very big win. Winning by 224 runs is a huge difference. Rashid Khan from my view is like kohli in India, he somehow manages to do something and take chance of winning.

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It was like Bangladesh committing suicide by themselves. They made the pitch too friendly for the spinners, disregarding the fact that the Afghan lineup had at least one world class spinner (Rashid Khan). And now they have a loss against their name, and that too at home versus a team that was just promoted as a test playing nation.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on September 09, 2019, 08:08:30 AM

I think it is worth looking at the ICC World Test Championship table now.

Can't get how these points are being calculated. After winning 2 games and drawn 1, how come Aus has lesser points than SL that has won only one game and drawn 1? Aus has won the first test by 251 runs and the 4th test by 185 runs.

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Quote from: JSRAW on September 09, 2019, 07:40:34 AM

let's wait for @Little Mouse he can give his analysis on his team's defeat.

I'm not surprised at all with the performance of Rashid Khan, it's subcontinent and spinner like Rashid Khan will certainly get success. His world cup performance has nothing to do with subcontinent. Outside of subcontinent, spinner barely gets success.
I'm surprised with the success from Afghan batting. They played exceptional. It wasn't expected.
In our team, some changes were made. Some might say Tamim would be better opener but it will create argument. His recent performance talks for himself. The team combination would not be much better, so, at the end, I can't deny Afghan played more better than us.

Looking towards the tri nation t20 series among Bangladesh, Afghan, Zimbabwe. I will probably be watching BD vs AFG match live from Sher-E-Bangla stadium.

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Quote from: Haunebu on September 09, 2019, 08:02:41 AM

Am really happy for Rashid Khan and his team. Luck favored them at last and they decimated Bangladesh which is easily a huge upset in recent times. I thought Shakib could drag the game, but he got out pretty quickly.

A combined total of 11 wickets for Rashid Khan which is simply splendid and it is good to see him back in form. Bangladesh continues to under-perform.

I wouldn't say that Luck favoured them, they won because of their exemplary performance. Afghans would have finished the game on the 4th day itself, if the rain didn't interrupt the match. They have fought against all odds and have finally achieved a massive victory.
They have made few records by winning this match.

Quote from: cricbuzz.com

STATZONE:
>>Rashid Khan is the youngest captain in the history of Test cricket to record a maiden win in the format.
>>The Afghanistan skipper is also the first player to record a fifty and 10-plus wickets in his debut game as captain in Test cricket
>> Bangladesh become the first team to lose a Test against 10 different nations

Number of games to record 2 Test wins
3 Australia
3 Afghanistan**
4 England
9 Pakistan
12 West Indies
13 South Africa
20 Sri Lanka
30 India
31 Zimbabwe
55 New Zealand
60 Bangladesh

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Quote from: Haunebu on September 09, 2019, 08:02:41 AM

Am really happy for Rashid Khan and his team. Luck favored them at last and they decimated Bangladesh which is easily a huge upset in recent times. I thought Shakib could drag the game, but he got out pretty quickly.
A combined total of 11 wickets for Rashid Khan which is simply splendid and it is good to see him back in form. Bangladesh continues to under-perform.

Rashid Khan showed his worth in the team, even though i lost a bet, i am really happy to see their performance and to beat them in their home soil is an outstanding effort, Rahmat Shah and Asghar Afghan played their part in the match but Rashid Khan made the most impact in the entire match by picking up 11 wickets and rightfully earning the man of the match. The margin of victor is outstanding and it is not luck and pure performance Wink

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I think it is worth looking at the ICC World Test Championship table now.

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