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Quote from: Publictalk792 on August 08, 2024, 07:19:23 PM

Quote from: ZAINmalik75 on August 08, 2024, 03:16:46 PM

Yeh it's true that south African team has decent bowling and batting lineup while according to west indies previous matches performances against Australia and england it's very hard to say they will show decent performance and will give tough time to thier opponent but it's game of challenge may be mericale really catch them, anyway south African team has done his job as they already scored 270 while lost his 6th wicket so I believe at least they will scored 320 which will be a fair enough target for south African bowling to catch up thier opponent also west indies hasn't any quality batter which can assure to catch up required target as in previous matches they can't even filled the 250 around target so it will be a tough challenge let see how well they improve thier team strength and structure

In my point of view South Africa didn't make a good score but when I look at the opposite team so this score is looking big. Because West Indies has played a series with England recently and we have seen that how they performed in that series they didn't win a single test match.
And for now South Africa has made 344 runs and they have lost 8 wickets and I think they will reach almost 370 runs. And if we take a look on batsmen of the South African team so we will see two shining stars in the squad first is Temba Bavuma the captain who made 86 runs and second is Tony de Zorzi he made 78 runs. Let's see where the South Africa will stop and what will the West Indies do.?

Comparatively, the South African team did not score much but the runs they have currently scored against the West Indies is a huge score. The West Indies team is currently not that strong in Test matches and they are not that experienced before they lost the match badly against England and lost the series.South Africa batsman Temba Bavuma batted brilliantly, he scored 86 runs off 182 balls but unfortunately he could not reach the century. Also Tony de Zorzi also batted and got out for 78 runs, however these two were the only good batting performances. As they lost eight wickets batting on the second day and scored 344 runs, they may not score too many runs today but I think this score will be big for West Indies.

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Quote from: ZAINmalik75 on August 08, 2024, 03:16:46 PM

Yeh it's true that south African team has decent bowling and batting lineup while according to west indies previous matches performances against Australia and england it's very hard to say they will show decent performance and will give tough time to thier opponent but it's game of challenge may be mericale really catch them, anyway south African team has done his job as they already scored 270 while lost his 6th wicket so I believe at least they will scored 320 which will be a fair enough target for south African bowling to catch up thier opponent also west indies hasn't any quality batter which can assure to catch up required target as in previous matches they can't even filled the 250 around target so it will be a tough challenge let see how well they improve thier team strength and structure

In my point of view South Africa didn't make a good score but when I look at the opposite team so this score is looking big. Because West Indies has played a series with England recently and we have seen that how they performed in that series they didn't win a single test match.
And for now South Africa has made 344 runs and they have lost 8 wickets and I think they will reach almost 370 runs. And if we take a look on batsmen of the South African team so we will see two shining stars in the squad first is Temba Bavuma the captain who made 86 runs and second is Tony de Zorzi he made 78 runs. Let's see where the South Africa will stop and what will the West Indies do.?

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 08, 2024, 07:01:53 AM

Well.. this is a very strange statistic. Normally one would expect a higher average first innings score compared to the second innings. Anyway, South Africa will be the strong favorites to win this match, especially in case they are able to score at least 250 runs in the first innings. They have high quality bowling attack, comprising of experienced players such as Kagiso Rabada, Lungi Ngidi and Keshav Maharaj. And also, remember that apart from Jason Holder, West Indies doesn't have a great number of experienced players.

Yeh it's true that south African team has decent bowling and batting lineup while according to west indies previous matches performances against Australia and england it's very hard to say they will show decent performance and will give tough time to thier opponent but it's game of challenge may be mericale really catch them, anyway south African team has done his job as they already scored 270 while lost his 6th wicket so I believe at least they will scored 320 which will be a fair enough target for south African bowling to catch up thier opponent also west indies hasn't any quality batter which can assure to catch up required target as in previous matches they can't even filled the 250 around target so it will be a tough challenge let see how well they improve thier team strength and structure

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 08, 2024, 10:36:35 AM

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Tony de Zorzi is batting very responsibly. Tristan Stubbs and Marakram's innings was not great. Marakram managed to collect only 9 runs and Tristan Stubbs managed to collect 20 runs. But Zorzi is batting very well. South Africa team managed to collect 122 runs by losing 2 wickets. And Zorzi's collection is 66 runs. Zorzi is unbeaten with 66 runs and Temba Bavuma remains unbeaten with 14 runs.

It doesn't look like the South African team will have too much trouble in collecting more than 250 in the first innings. There are several talented batsmen in the South African squad. On the other hand, the performance of the West Indies bowlers is very erratic. Despite having two experienced bowlers like Kemar Roach and Holder in the West Indies squad, the West Indies bowlers are not able to perform well.

He is still going strong. Tony de Zorzi is batting at 72, with Temba Bavuma at the other end. Gudakesh Motie has so far got a lot of stick from de Zorzi. At some point they need to think about introducing the other spin bowler (Jomel Warrican). The captain maybe a bit scared to test him out, given how comfortable the South African batsmen seems to be, against their front-line spinner (Motie). The first priority for West Indies is to get de Zorzi out. But then they also need to deal with David Bedingham, Ryan Rickelton and Kyle Verreynne.

South Africa team heading towards big collection. South Africa collected 230 runs after losing 4 wickets in 76 overs. This is a really good collection. Because the South African team can collect close to 400 if they do not lose wickets quickly.

Zorzi was able to make an excellent start. While Marakram and Stubbs did not bat well, Zorzi played very well. And he managed to add 78 runs on the scoreboard. Now Bavuma is also batting very well. Unbeaten Bavuma collected 70 runs. The way Bavuma is batting, this innings is likely to be longer. If Bavuma scores a century, the South African team's chances of collecting 400 runs will increase. West Indies bowlers are not able to take any advantage now. The West Indies bowlers will have to try to break the pair of Bavuma and Ryan Rickelton quickly.

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Quote from: Out of mind on August 08, 2024, 10:50:12 AM

The South African team is currently batting on the second day, and they have lost only two wickets. But the great partnership they have built up at the moment will score huge if it can last till the end. The partnership of Temba Bavuma and Tony de Zorzi has produced a big score in today's South Africa team. Tony de Zorzi is batting brilliantly, and he might score a century in today's match. Although the bowling performance of the West Indies team is trying to strengthen a lot at the moment, if they do not take wickets, they may not be able to stop South Africa in this test match

South Africa won the toss and batted first in the first test game. South Africa team lost four wickets on 210 runs, and the second session went on on Day two. An Excellent batting by south Africa team Tony de Zorzi played 78 runs innings while captain Temba Bavuma with 58 runs on the crease West indies bowlers could not create pressure on south Africa team their bowlers did not take wickets early. West indies bowlers need to put pressure on south Africa team to get a result of this match because rain disturbs opening day of the match only 15 overs bowls on 1st day then rain started and the whole day was washed out so there will be a chances of draw this game South Africa batsmen needs to play fast to gave a good total on second Day. West indies was playing on his home ground so they got a little bit of benefit which helps them to bowled south Africa team as soon as possible in first innings

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Quote from: JSRAW on August 08, 2024, 12:39:58 PM

In white ball or in general, Buvama is a meme cricketer but at the same time, he's not a bad cricketer in red ball cricket, at least from Proteas' POV.

Saying it because, in the last decade, test batting standards have been so low over there and Buvama somehow showed some consistency with the bat, despite his mid 30s batting average.

Well.. looks like he is going to get a boost to his batting average. At the moment, he is batting on 59, with South Africa at 213/4. Apart from Bavuma and de Zorzi, none of the other batsmen could convert their good starts to 50s. David Bedingham was looking good out there, but then he was nabbed by Jayden Seales. The keeper Ryan Rickelton has joined Bavuma now, with the total still being far from 300. After Rickelton, it is going to be Kyle Verreynne and Wiaan Mulder. Verreynne just played 3 tests during the last two years, while Mulder ahs only 1 to his name.

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Well.. if you are so much optimistic about Bavuma, what can I say? At the moment, he is batting on 32. If he can stay there for a couple of hours, then it will wear out the West Indian pacers. Then they can use the last session to score some quick runs. A total of 300 or so won't be too bad in this surface. I can see that both the spinners, as well as the pacers are getting decent support from the track. Also, the next three players to come (Rickelton, Verreynne and Mulder) doesn't have a lot of recent international experience.

In white ball or in general, Buvama is a meme cricketer but at the same time, he's not a bad cricketer in red ball cricket, at least from Proteas' POV.

Saying it because, in the last decade, test batting standards have been so low over there and Buvama somehow showed some consistency with the bat, despite his mid 30s batting average.

I never liked Buvama's performance. I have seen Buvama perform well in very few matches. The performance of this South African batsman is very erratic. However, the South African Cricket Board gave Buvama the responsibility of captaining the team.

But Buvama is trying to bat responsibly in today's match. But we don't know how long his innings will be. At the moment, Buvama is unbeaten with 52 runs. A good enough innings. And the South African team currently collects 202/4. As South Africa have lost just 4 wickets, Buvama is able to bat very responsibly. So it is possible for South Africa to collect 320-350 runs in the first innings.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 08, 2024, 12:19:52 PM

Well.. if you are so much optimistic about Bavuma, what can I say? At the moment, he is batting on 32. If he can stay there for a couple of hours, then it will wear out the West Indian pacers. Then they can use the last session to score some quick runs. A total of 300 or so won't be too bad in this surface. I can see that both the spinners, as well as the pacers are getting decent support from the track. Also, the next three players to come (Rickelton, Verreynne and Mulder) doesn't have a lot of recent international experience.

In white ball or in general, Buvama is a meme cricketer but at the same time, he's not a bad cricketer in red ball cricket, at least from Proteas' POV.

Saying it because, in the last decade, test batting standards have been so low over there and Buvama somehow showed some consistency with the bat, despite his mid 30s batting average.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on August 08, 2024, 12:01:37 PM

Tony de Zorzi played a good innings of 78 but he missed his century. All eyes on Temba Bavuma as he is looking set and is also playing at a slow run rate. South Africa team should have this in the back of their minds that they need to bowl West Indies out twice and they have only four days in the test. They need to play a bit fast so that their bowlers have enough time to bowl to West Indies.
On the other hand, if West Indies show some resistance while batting, then we are heading towards a draw.

Well.. if you are so much optimistic about Bavuma, what can I say? At the moment, he is batting on 32. If he can stay there for a couple of hours, then it will wear out the West Indian pacers. Then they can use the last session to score some quick runs. A total of 300 or so won't be too bad in this surface. I can see that both the spinners, as well as the pacers are getting decent support from the track. Also, the next three players to come (Rickelton, Verreynne and Mulder) doesn't have a lot of recent international experience.

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Quote from: Minor Miner on August 08, 2024, 01:17:40 AM

The match was delayed due to rain. The South African team got the opportunity to bat only 15 overs on the first day. South Africa collected 45 runs for the loss of 1 wicket in 15 overs. Experienced batsmen like Aiden Markram were expected to see big innings. But Aiden Markram's innings stopped at just 9 runs.

We lost almost a full day's play yesterday as only 15 overs were bowled that day. This means that it is effectively a four-day test (provided we do not have more rain interruptions).

Tony de Zorzi played a good innings of 78 but he missed his century. All eyes on Temba Bavuma as he is looking set and is also playing at a slow run rate. South Africa team should have this in the back of their minds that they need to bowl West Indies out twice and they have only four days in the test. They need to play a bit fast so that their bowlers have enough time to bowl to West Indies.
On the other hand, if West Indies show some resistance while batting, then we are heading towards a draw.

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Clear picture is still not available. South Africa are at mid-way, and they have got themselves to a total of 152/3. But the bad news is that Tony de Zorzi got out even before he could get to a well deserved century. And West Indies captain did the mistake by delaying the introduction of Jomel Warrican. He has bowled a total of 5 overs till now (and picked up the crucial wicket of de Zorzi). On the other hand, Gudakesh Motie ahs bowled a total of 17 wicketless overs so far. Do they have anymore (part-time) spin options? Kavem Hodge can bowl left arm orthodox, if I am not mistaken.

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Quote from: Out of mind on August 08, 2024, 10:50:12 AM

The South African team is currently batting on the second day, and they have lost only two wickets. But the great partnership they have built up at the moment will score huge if it can last till the end. The partnership of Temba Bavuma and Tony de Zorzi has produced a big score in today's South Africa team. Tony de Zorzi is batting brilliantly, and he might score a century in today's match. Although the bowling performance of the West Indies team is trying to strengthen a lot at the moment, if they do not take wickets, they may not be able to stop South Africa in this test match, they will make big scores. However, in the match, the South African team has scored 137 runs in 49 overs with the loss of 2 wickets.

Now is the lunch break. Before the lunch break, South Africa managed to collect 152 runs in 53 overs, and the South African team lost three batsmen. Tony de Zorzi returned to the dressing room with 78 runs. It was a much needed innings for South Africa. The South African team lost two wickets very quickly. Without Tony de Zorzi batting responsibly, South Africa would have surely failed to collect big.

Captain Temba Bavuma and David Bedingham are now at the crease. Bavuma scored 30 runs and David Bedingham collected 12 runs. If Bavuma and Bedingham bat carefully, South Africa can muster more than 300 in their first innings. I think if they collect less than 300 it may not be possible for South Africa to win this match. But the match is most likely to be a draw. Because the first day's play was delayed due to rain. South Africa team got the opportunity to bat only 15 overs.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 07, 2024, 11:39:21 PM

Tony de Zorzi got a good start. Let's see how he will convert it to a century. South African selectors would be happy as well. De Zorzi represents a limited pool of colored batsmen available for selection, along with Bavuma, Keegan Petersen and Reeza Hendricks. For meeting the transformation targets, it is essential for CSA to find more quality colored batsmen. The experiment with Bavuma has failed, as he doesn't have the ability to score runs against quality opponents in the longer version of the game.

Unfortunately,Tony de Zorzi Out didn't score a well-deserved century. Tony de Zorzi is Very close to his century but Out after scoring 78 runs, he just missed his well-deserved hundred by 22 runs short. Jomel Warrican picked the most important wicket of Tony de Zorzi in his just 4th over of his bowling spell. Today in the first session South Africa Outstanding batting performance scored 137 runs in a loss of 3 wickets. Temba Bavuma is playing well at 27 runs not out alongside with David Bedingham. This partnership is very important between Temba Bavuma and David Bedingham. of South Africa scored a huge total in first inning of test match.

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Quote from: ThemePen on August 07, 2024, 07:30:44 PM

Yes I am also worried about the remaining 4 days because there can be the rain again.
By the way South Africa has played 15 overs and I am surprised when I saw that Aiden Markram got out on 9 runs. Well Tony de Zorzi is fulfilling his spot and he was playing little well and he made 32 runs and in which he hit 4 boundaries 2 sixes and 2 fours. If he will have the chayto play today so I hope he will play more well today.

Many were worried when South Africa's opening batsman Aiden Markram was dismissed for nine runs in the first Test against the West Indies, but another of their openers, Tony De Zorzi, performed brilliantly today even as he completed the second half-century of his Test career. Tony De Zorzi played a very patient and conservative innings today, he managed to collect 78 runs off 145 balls in this match. He missed his first Test century by a few runs in this match, maybe if he had played a more patient innings he would have tasted his first Test century.

South Africa team is currently batting in the first session of their first innings, currently their team collection is 145 runs for 3 wickets in exchange. South Africa's batsmen are scoring runs very slowly with their current average of 2.86 per over.

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The South African team is currently batting on the second day, and they have lost only two wickets. But the great partnership they have built up at the moment will score huge if it can last till the end. The partnership of Temba Bavuma and Tony de Zorzi has produced a big score in today's South Africa team. Tony de Zorzi is batting brilliantly, and he might score a century in today's match. Although the bowling performance of the West Indies team is trying to strengthen a lot at the moment, if they do not take wickets, they may not be able to stop South Africa in this test match, they will make big scores. However, in the match, the South African team has scored 137 runs in 49 overs with the loss of 2 wickets.

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Quote from: Minor Miner on August 08, 2024, 10:14:20 AM

Tony de Zorzi is batting very responsibly. Tristan Stubbs and Marakram's innings was not great. Marakram managed to collect only 9 runs and Tristan Stubbs managed to collect 20 runs. But Zorzi is batting very well. South Africa team managed to collect 122 runs by losing 2 wickets. And Zorzi's collection is 66 runs. Zorzi is unbeaten with 66 runs and Temba Bavuma remains unbeaten with 14 runs.

It doesn't look like the South African team will have too much trouble in collecting more than 250 in the first innings. There are several talented batsmen in the South African squad. On the other hand, the performance of the West Indies bowlers is very erratic. Despite having two experienced bowlers like Kemar Roach and Holder in the West Indies squad, the West Indies bowlers are not able to perform well.

He is still going strong. Tony de Zorzi is batting at 72, with Temba Bavuma at the other end. Gudakesh Motie has so far got a lot of stick from de Zorzi. At some point they need to think about introducing the other spin bowler (Jomel Warrican). The captain maybe a bit scared to test him out, given how comfortable the South African batsmen seems to be, against their front-line spinner (Motie). The first priority for West Indies is to get de Zorzi out. But then they also need to deal with David Bedingham, Ryan Rickelton and Kyle Verreynne.

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The match was delayed due to rain. The South African team got the opportunity to bat only 15 overs on the first day. South Africa collected 45 runs for the loss of 1 wicket in 15 overs. Experienced batsmen like Aiden Markram were expected to see big innings. But Aiden Markram's innings stopped at just 9 runs.

Tony de Zorzi and Tristan Stubbs will start tomorrow. There is no doubt that these two are very talented batsmen. But it is not easy to collect big on this pitch. Although you can bat well on this pitch in the first two innings, it is very difficult to bat well in the last two innings. The average score of this pitch in the first innings is 303 runs and the average score of the second innings is 313 runs. So if the South African team wants to win, then they must bat well in the first innings.

Well.. this is a very strange statistic. Normally one would expect a higher average first innings score compared to the second innings. Anyway, South Africa will be the strong favorites to win this match, especially in case they are able to score at least 250 runs in the first innings. They have high quality bowling attack, comprising of experienced players such as Kagiso Rabada, Lungi Ngidi and Keshav Maharaj. And also, remember that apart from Jason Holder, West Indies doesn't have a great number of experienced players.

Tony de Zorzi is batting very responsibly. Tristan Stubbs and Marakram's innings was not great. Marakram managed to collect only 9 runs and Tristan Stubbs managed to collect 20 runs. But Zorzi is batting very well. South Africa team managed to collect 122 runs by losing 2 wickets. And Zorzi's collection is 66 runs. Zorzi is unbeaten with 66 runs and Temba Bavuma remains unbeaten with 14 runs.

It doesn't look like the South African team will have too much trouble in collecting more than 250 in the first innings. There are several talented batsmen in the South African squad. On the other hand, the performance of the West Indies bowlers is very erratic. Despite having two experienced bowlers like Kemar Roach and Holder in the West Indies squad, the West Indies bowlers are not able to perform well.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 08, 2024, 07:01:53 AM

Well.. this is a very strange statistic. Normally one would expect a higher average first innings score compared to the second innings. Anyway, South Africa will be the strong favorites to win this match, especially in case they are able to score at least 250 runs in the first innings. They have high quality bowling attack, comprising of experienced players such as Kagiso Rabada, Lungi Ngidi and Keshav Maharaj. And also, remember that apart from Jason Holder, West Indies doesn't have a great number of experienced players.

Due to internal issues we are having still slow batting from South African in test format with they are trying to bring coloured batsmen which are not having enough quality to do things on aggressive mod I am really upset with their domestic system because they are having still problems and things are not going as they needed to be after their re-entry into game they are having enough sources, but their political system is not good enough to bring things on good quality and merit.

Start of this test and series sounds not good because we lost all first day of game and today most chances we will have batting from South African and their approach is not good enough to have some quick runs so most chances we will have this game ended as draw.

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Quote from: fuguebtc on August 07, 2024, 06:28:40 AM

Of course, the best players are going to be interested in playing franchisee cricket when the money that they get from those franchisee leagues are so much more compared to what they are getting from the cricket board. And it was understandable if the board was unable to give them the money that they wanted. The board was fully able to give them the money that they were asking for as far as I know. it just did not happen because of the corruption in the cricket board. And when players are not happy, they are most probably not going to perform very well.

But on the other hand, the South Africa cricket board has a good relationship and understanding with the players. If I remember correctly, the South Africa Cricket Board also had some problems a few years ago. But it’s good to see that they have been able to fix that.

Yes ,you are right. SA cricket board solved all the issues and that's why players are free of any financial pressure from their family. They are supporting their families. Today living expenses are very high and West Indies cricket board should change the change the decision and they should pay good to the players. Indian cricket board is paying best to tgr the players,So talented players joined Indian team and Indian is at top. Before few years, when Pollard ,Sammy and Samules were part of West Indies team ,West Indies teams were favorite of fans. Then issue of pay and match fee arose and then West Indies team could not qualify for semi final in last two World cups.

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Quote from: Minor Miner on August 08, 2024, 01:17:40 AM

The match was delayed due to rain. The South African team got the opportunity to bat only 15 overs on the first day. South Africa collected 45 runs for the loss of 1 wicket in 15 overs. Experienced batsmen like Aiden Markram were expected to see big innings. But Aiden Markram's innings stopped at just 9 runs.

Tony de Zorzi and Tristan Stubbs will start tomorrow. There is no doubt that these two are very talented batsmen. But it is not easy to collect big on this pitch. Although you can bat well on this pitch in the first two innings, it is very difficult to bat well in the last two innings. The average score of this pitch in the first innings is 303 runs and the average score of the second innings is 313 runs. So if the South African team wants to win, then they must bat well in the first innings.

Well.. this is a very strange statistic. Normally one would expect a higher average first innings score compared to the second innings. Anyway, South Africa will be the strong favorites to win this match, especially in case they are able to score at least 250 runs in the first innings. They have high quality bowling attack, comprising of experienced players such as Kagiso Rabada, Lungi Ngidi and Keshav Maharaj. And also, remember that apart from Jason Holder, West Indies doesn't have a great number of experienced players.

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