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Quote from: fuguebtc on August 07, 2024, 06:28:40 AM

Of course, the best players are going to be interested in playing franchisee cricket when the money that they get from those franchisee leagues are so much more compared to what they are getting from the cricket board. And it was understandable if the board was unable to give them the money that they wanted. The board was fully able to give them the money that they were asking for as far as I know. it just did not happen because of the corruption in the cricket board. And when players are not happy, they are most probably not going to perform very well.

But on the other hand, the South Africa cricket board has a good relationship and understanding with the players. If I remember correctly, the South Africa Cricket Board also had some problems a few years ago. But it’s good to see that they have been able to fix that.

Yes ,you are right. SA cricket board solved all the issues and that's why players are free of any financial pressure from their family. They are supporting their families. Today living expenses are very high and West Indies cricket board should change the change the decision and they should pay good to the players. Indian cricket board is paying best to tgr the players,So talented players joined Indian team and Indian is at top. Before few years, when Pollard ,Sammy and Samules were part of West Indies team ,West Indies teams were favorite of fans. Then issue of pay and match fee arose and then West Indies team could not qualify for semi final in last two World cups.

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Quote from: Minor Miner on August 08, 2024, 01:17:40 AM

The match was delayed due to rain. The South African team got the opportunity to bat only 15 overs on the first day. South Africa collected 45 runs for the loss of 1 wicket in 15 overs. Experienced batsmen like Aiden Markram were expected to see big innings. But Aiden Markram's innings stopped at just 9 runs.

Tony de Zorzi and Tristan Stubbs will start tomorrow. There is no doubt that these two are very talented batsmen. But it is not easy to collect big on this pitch. Although you can bat well on this pitch in the first two innings, it is very difficult to bat well in the last two innings. The average score of this pitch in the first innings is 303 runs and the average score of the second innings is 313 runs. So if the South African team wants to win, then they must bat well in the first innings.

Well.. this is a very strange statistic. Normally one would expect a higher average first innings score compared to the second innings. Anyway, South Africa will be the strong favorites to win this match, especially in case they are able to score at least 250 runs in the first innings. They have high quality bowling attack, comprising of experienced players such as Kagiso Rabada, Lungi Ngidi and Keshav Maharaj. And also, remember that apart from Jason Holder, West Indies doesn't have a great number of experienced players.

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Yes I am also worried about the remaining 4 days because there can be the rain again.
By the way South Africa has played 15 overs and I am surprised when I saw that Aiden Markram got out on 9 runs. Well Tony de Zorzi is fulfilling his spot and he was playing little well and he made 32 runs and in which he hit 4 boundaries 2 sixes and 2 fours. If he will have the chayto play today so I hope he will play more well today.

Tony de Zorzi got a good start. Let's see how he will convert it to a century. South African selectors would be happy as well. De Zorzi represents a limited pool of colored batsmen available for selection, along with Bavuma, Keegan Petersen and Reeza Hendricks. For meeting the transformation targets, it is essential for CSA to find more quality colored batsmen. The experiment with Bavuma has failed, as he doesn't have the ability to score runs against quality opponents in the longer version of the game.
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The match was delayed due to rain. The South African team got the opportunity to bat only 15 overs on the first day. South Africa collected 45 runs for the loss of 1 wicket in 15 overs. Experienced batsmen like Aiden Markram were expected to see big innings. But Aiden Markram's innings stopped at just 9 runs.

Tony de Zorzi and Tristan Stubbs will start tomorrow. There is no doubt that these two are very talented batsmen. But it is not easy to collect big on this pitch. Although you can bat well on this pitch in the first two innings, it is very difficult to bat well in the last two innings. The average score of this pitch in the first innings is 303 runs and the average score of the second innings is 313 runs. So if the South African team wants to win, then they must bat well in the first innings.

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Quote from: ThemePen on August 07, 2024, 07:30:44 PM

Yes I am also worried about the remaining 4 days because there can be the rain again.
By the way South Africa has played 15 overs and I am surprised when I saw that Aiden Markram got out on 9 runs. Well Tony de Zorzi is fulfilling his spot and he was playing little well and he made 32 runs and in which he hit 4 boundaries 2 sixes and 2 fours. If he will have the chayto play today so I hope he will play more well today.

Tony de Zorzi got a good start. Let's see how he will convert it to a century. South African selectors would be happy as well. De Zorzi represents a limited pool of colored batsmen available for selection, along with Bavuma, Keegan Petersen and Reeza Hendricks. For meeting the transformation targets, it is essential for CSA to find more quality colored batsmen. The experiment with Bavuma has failed, as he doesn't have the ability to score runs against quality opponents in the longer version of the game.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 07, 2024, 01:33:43 PM

Very heavy rains at the Queen's Park Oval in Port of Spain. I don't think that anymore overs will be possible today. We were lucky to get 15 overs, and that's going to be it for today. I am more worried about the next 4 days. If there are further rain interruptions, then the chances of getting a definite outcome may come down to zero. Till now, Tony de Zorzi looked to be in fine form. He took on the best bowler in West Indies team (Gudakesh Motie), who went for 22 in his 3 overs.

Yes I am also worried about the remaining 4 days because there can be the rain again.
By the way South Africa has played 15 overs and I am surprised when I saw that Aiden Markram got out on 9 runs. Well Tony de Zorzi is fulfilling his spot and he was playing little well and he made 32 runs and in which he hit 4 boundaries 2 sixes and 2 fours. If he will have the chayto play today so I hope he will play more well today.

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Very heavy rains at the Queen's Park Oval in Port of Spain. I don't think that anymore overs will be possible today. We were lucky to get 15 overs, and that's going to be it for today. I am more worried about the next 4 days. If there are further rain interruptions, then the chances of getting a definite outcome may come down to zero. Till now, Tony de Zorzi looked to be in fine form. He took on the best bowler in West Indies team (Gudakesh Motie), who went for 22 in his 3 overs.

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Quote from: Out of mind on August 07, 2024, 09:25:07 AM

The South African team is batting on the first day of the Test match, and they already have two experienced batsmen, Tony de Zorzi and Aiden Markram in the opening pair. However, West Indies will try to play well in today's match and keep South Africa under pressure so that they don't score too many runs. But I think South Africa team is more experienced in Test matches than West Indies, so maybe South Africa will make a good score in this match. If the South African team can give the West Indies a target of 350 plus runs on the first day, then the first Test match may be in the hands of South Africa to win.

Right now, Game was delayed due to rain and South Africa team batsman is continuing their batting lineup in pitch and in start of game, South Africa team won the toss and got a habe chance to take first right decision and SA team elected bat first. Markam great player of South Africa came as opener batsman with T.Zorzi but unfortunately, he was dismissed and made only 9 runs and hit one 4s. T.zrozi effort is going very good and hope this player will full help to team for win game by making brilliant century at end of inning. T.Zorzi made 32 runs in 52 balls and hitted two 4s and two 6s not dismissal. Other batsman T.Stubbs scored 2 runs now and hope this batsman also help T.Zorzi batsman for making good for runs in 1 st Inning. What you think brother which team will win this test game.

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The South African team is batting on the first day of the Test match, and they already have two experienced batsmen, Tony de Zorzi and Aiden Markram in the opening pair. However, West Indies will try to play well in today's match and keep South Africa under pressure so that they don't score too many runs. But I think South Africa team is more experienced in Test matches than West Indies, so maybe South Africa will make a good score in this match. If the South African team can give the West Indies a target of 350 plus runs on the first day, then the first Test match may be in the hands of South Africa to win.

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Quote from: Compromise me on August 07, 2024, 05:11:53 AM

Yes ,you are right. West Indies players are not quality players. West Indies team did not play well in last few years. The reason is WCB did not pick best players from the country. Best players are playing the franchise leagues,they are interested to play in the PSL ,IPL and BBL but they don't prefer International matches. West Indies government didn't give deserved facilities to the players due to which they did agreement with the franchise leagues teams owner. There is no chance of Improvement in West Indies cricket because nobody will change that and we will see the same result. If result will be same ,then we Will see West Indies team at the lower end. While SA team is performing well in all format because SA government is cooperative with the players. SA team will be successful in this series.

Of course, the best players are going to be interested in playing franchisee cricket when the money that they get from those franchisee leagues are so much more compared to what they are getting from the cricket board. And it was understandable if the board was unable to give them the money that they wanted. The board was fully able to give them the money that they were asking for as far as I know. it just did not happen because of the corruption in the cricket board. And when players are not happy, they are most probably not going to perform very well.

But on the other hand, the South Africa cricket board has a good relationship and understanding with the players. If I remember correctly, the South Africa Cricket Board also had some problems a few years ago. But it’s good to see that they have been able to fix that.

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Quote from: Out of mind on August 06, 2024, 08:24:58 PM

West Indies vs South Africa first test match is going to be held today and South Africa is far ahead as the favorite team in this match. We have seen West Indies lose very badly against England, so it is difficult to say how well they will perform against West Indies. However, although West Indies were once a very strong team, South Africa are currently the dominant force in cricket, and they seem to play well enough to beat West Indies. Moreover, according to the betting odds of today's test match, West Indies may not win, but South Africa is likely. Although it is difficult to predict which team will win the test match, but I think South Africa as the favorite team is definitely ahead in the race to win the test match.

Yes ,you are right. West Indies players are not quality players. West Indies team did not play well in last few years. The reason is WCB did not pick best players from the country. Best players are playing the franchise leagues,they are interested to play in the PSL ,IPL and BBL but they don't prefer International matches. West Indies government didn't give deserved facilities to the players due to which they did agreement with the franchise leagues teams owner. There is no chance of Improvement in West Indies cricket because nobody will change that and we will see the same result. If result will be same ,then we Will see West Indies team at the lower end. While SA team is performing well in all format because SA government is cooperative with the players. SA team will be successful in this series.

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Quote from: Out of mind on August 06, 2024, 08:24:58 PM

West Indies vs South Africa first test match is going to be held today and South Africa is far ahead as the favorite team in this match. We have seen West Indies lose very badly against England, so it is difficult to say how well they will perform against West Indies. However, although West Indies were once a very strong team, South Africa are currently the dominant force in cricket, and they seem to play well enough to beat West Indies. Moreover, according to the betting odds of today's test match, West Indies may not win, but South Africa is likely. Although it is difficult to predict which team will win the test match, but I think South Africa as the favorite team is definitely ahead in the race to win the test match.

Yes, the first Test match of the two-match Test series between West Indies and South Africa begins today. The two teams played a warm-up match between themselves before the main Test match, but that match ended in a draw. Let's see how significant the performance of both the teams is in today's match, but the performance of the recent West Indies team in the Test format is not satisfactory. As a result, many feel that they may play as badly in this series as they did against England. But I think because cricket is a game of glorious uncertainty, we may not be able to say anything precisely in advance. Maybe West Indies can play well in this series even win against South Africa. What the West Indies players need now is to learn from their failure in the series against England and try to improve themselves and reflect on that.

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I agree with you. West Indies are not made for test matches and they have long body and long chest and they are powerful persons and that like to hit a long sixes . But in test cricket that team is successful which is patient like Australia, England and South Africa. England is my favorite team for test matches because England players always play with situation and they play cricket mind and they rarely use their power. They always use the technique and mind and that's why they are successful in the test cricket. They always play with patience and South African team is also good team with patience. I salute to retired players of South Africa because they gave many new shorts to the world. Especially Ab De Villiers who is 360 player .West Indies players should keep patience if they want to be successful in test cricket.

Basically the main reason is that means which I think that is they play fast and they can't play slowly so that's why they are not good for test cricket. But if West Indies will focus on the test cricket so I think they can play well. Because they have ability to beat the top teams. But they need practice more. Their players don't have the consistency. If they will practice more so they can be good. By the at this West Indies performance for Test Cricket is not good they have lost a test series against England and now they are not playing well against South African team.

Hmmmm... That's a valid point I think. Because we mostly see that these West Indies players play fast. And I think therefore the fans mostly like them in T20 matches like in IPL PSL or in other leagues. They play fast and they have ability to change the situation of the Match. And that is the main reason that they are not playing well in the Test Cricket. And you mentioned the England vs West Indies Test match series in that series West Indies was trying to play well but they didn't. At a one point their players played well but due to lack of consistency they didn't played in the next innings. It is showing that they have ability but they need some practice.

We Caribbean cricketers think they will bat devastatingly and score a lot of runs off fewer balls. In all the domestic league tournaments we see West Indies players taking the field. For the West Indies players, performing in the domestic league is more important than playing for the national team. Basically, West Indies Cricket Board is not able to pay the cricketers regularly due to not being wealthy, so when a cricketer is made in West Indies, his main aim is to earn money by playing various domestic league tournaments, so they never evaluate the national team's performance. There was a time when West Indies was one of the best teams in Tests, ODIs and T20Is but since the day greed for money was created among the players, the team's condition has deteriorated. No West Indies player now wants to play five-day Test cricket is also a big problem behind the lack of success in Test cricket.

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West Indies vs South Africa first test match is going to be held today and South Africa is far ahead as the favorite team in this match. We have seen West Indies lose very badly against England, so it is difficult to say how well they will perform against West Indies. However, although West Indies were once a very strong team, South Africa are currently the dominant force in cricket, and they seem to play well enough to beat West Indies. Moreover, according to the betting odds of today's test match, West Indies may not win, but South Africa is likely. Although it is difficult to predict which team will win the test match, but I think South Africa as the favorite team is definitely ahead in the race to win the test match.

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I agree with you. West Indies are not made for test matches and they have long body and long chest and they are powerful persons and that like to hit a long sixes . But in test cricket that team is successful which is patient like Australia, England and South Africa. England is my favorite team for test matches because England players always play with situation and they play cricket mind and they rarely use their power. They always use the technique and mind and that's why they are successful in the test cricket. They always play with patience and South African team is also good team with patience. I salute to retired players of South Africa because they gave many new shorts to the world. Especially Ab De Villiers who is 360 player .West Indies players should keep patience if they want to be successful in test cricket.

Basically the main reason is that means which I think that is they play fast and they can't play slowly so that's why they are not good for test cricket. But if West Indies will focus on the test cricket so I think they can play well. Because they have ability to beat the top teams. But they need practice more. Their players don't have the consistency. If they will practice more so they can be good. By the at this West Indies performance for Test Cricket is not good they have lost a test series against England and now they are not playing well against South African team.

Hmmmm... That's a valid point I think. Because we mostly see that these West Indies players play fast. And I think therefore the fans mostly like them in T20 matches like in IPL PSL or in other leagues. They play fast and they have ability to change the situation of the Match. And that is the main reason that they are not playing well in the Test Cricket. And you mentioned the England vs West Indies Test match series in that series West Indies was trying to play well but they didn't. At a one point their players played well but due to lack of consistency they didn't played in the next innings. It is showing that they have ability but they need some practice.

West Indies International cricket players prefer Leagues as comparison to International matches. They get more money from league matches because country pay them a little. In this way , West Indies players are correct because government should provide them facilities and good pay . But government didn't do that ,that's why West Indies cricket team is not at good position. West Indies team played very bad in T20 World Cup and could not qualify for super 8 . After we saw bad performance in test matches and back to back lose. They should learn but they are doing same mistakes again and again and I think they are crazy people and have no mind . Only wide chest could not do anything,mind is also important in cricket.

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Quote from: Publictalk792 on August 05, 2024, 07:24:42 PM

Hmmmm... That's a valid point I think. Because we mostly see that these West Indies players play fast. And I think therefore the fans mostly like them in T20 matches like in IPL PSL or in other leagues. They play fast and they have ability to change the situation of the Match. And that is the main reason that they are not playing well in the Test Cricket. And you mentioned the England vs West Indies Test match series in that series West Indies was trying to play well but they didn't. At a one point their players played well but due to lack of consistency they didn't played in the next innings. It is showing that they have ability but they need some practice.

They played well and fast which is good in T20 and we can say in ODI too but as you said they are not playing slow in test matches that is the main reason they lost the match. You are completely right in your analysis here.

The selectors of the West Indies are not focusing on this and they are fully satisfied that they have power hitters and they are fast but they are not doing it in the test match.
By the way, now also the West Indies team has no good record from the last few years, after the 2016 World Cup which they won, they do not qualify for even the playoff matches. Chris Gayle was the last player they produced that could single-handedly win many matches for West Indies.

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I agree with you. West Indies are not made for test matches and they have long body and long chest and they are powerful persons and that like to hit a long sixes . But in test cricket that team is successful which is patient like Australia, England and South Africa. England is my favorite team for test matches because England players always play with situation and they play cricket mind and they rarely use their power. They always use the technique and mind and that's why they are successful in the test cricket. They always play with patience and South African team is also good team with patience. I salute to retired players of South Africa because they gave many new shorts to the world. Especially Ab De Villiers who is 360 player .West Indies players should keep patience if they want to be successful in test cricket.

Basically the main reason is that means which I think that is they play fast and they can't play slowly so that's why they are not good for test cricket. But if West Indies will focus on the test cricket so I think they can play well. Because they have ability to beat the top teams. But they need practice more. Their players don't have the consistency. If they will practice more so they can be good. By the at this West Indies performance for Test Cricket is not good they have lost a test series against England and now they are not playing well against South African team.

Hmmmm... That's a valid point I think. Because we mostly see that these West Indies players play fast. And I think therefore the fans mostly like them in T20 matches like in IPL PSL or in other leagues. They play fast and they have ability to change the situation of the Match. And that is the main reason that they are not playing well in the Test Cricket. And you mentioned the England vs West Indies Test match series in that series West Indies was trying to play well but they didn't. At a one point their players played well but due to lack of consistency they didn't played in the next innings. It is showing that they have ability but they need some practice.

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Quote from: Compromise me on August 05, 2024, 02:47:02 PM

I agree with you. West Indies are not made for test matches and they have long body and long chest and they are powerful persons and that like to hit a long sixes . But in test cricket that team is successful which is patient like Australia, England and South Africa. England is my favorite team for test matches because England players always play with situation and they play cricket mind and they rarely use their power. They always use the technique and mind and that's why they are successful in the test cricket. They always play with patience and South African team is also good team with patience. I salute to retired players of South Africa because they gave many new shorts to the world. Especially Ab De Villiers who is 360 player .West Indies players should keep patience if they want to be successful in test cricket.

Basically the main reason is that means which I think that is they play fast and they can't play slowly so that's why they are not good for test cricket. But if West Indies will focus on the test cricket so I think they can play well. Because they have ability to beat the top teams. But they need practice more. Their players don't have the consistency. If they will practice more so they can be good. By the at this West Indies performance for Test Cricket is not good they have lost a test series against England and now they are not playing well against South African team.

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There was no result of this match and no team could win this match. West Indies team made 397 runs in first inning and after that we saw batting of SA team and SA team played very well and made more runs as comparison to WC - XI team. SA team made 408 runs and after that they declare . There were two players from WI team wio made centuries for the team . Jeremy made 111 runs in 211 balls and he hit 16 fours and 1 six. Shamar made 131 runs in 212 balls and Bishop made half century for the team . Match was draw due to rain and both teams got equal points. SA team could win this match and they were ahead in many things and they were doing well.That match has no importance but it will give confidence to the team but we didn't see any result due to rain.

Exactly the South Africa has the chances to win this test match. But due to rain there is no result of this match and match has drawn. South Africa was good and they were playing well and the have the ability to win this match but unfortunately there is no result. And West Indies was not good in batting and bowling both. Because we already have seen them in the series of England Vs West Indies. West Indies still need much practice because their players don't have the consistency in the test cricket.

South Africa declared the innings with 400 plus runs in the first innings, on the other hand, West Indies were all out for 397 in their first innings and once again invited the West Indies to bat. So in the second innings it was clear that West Indies could not have reached a level that would have resulted in a very low target for South Africa but that was not the case due to rain and the result of this match remained undecided. But considering the first innings, I would say that South Africa did much better in the first innings compared to West Indies' two innings.

I agree with you. West Indies are not made for test matches and they have long body and long chest and they are powerful persons and that like to hit a long sixes . But in test cricket that team is successful which is patient like Australia, England and South Africa. England is my favorite team for test matches because England players always play with situation and they play cricket mind and they rarely use their power. They always use the technique and mind and that's why they are successful in the test cricket. They always play with patience and South African team is also good team with patience. I salute to retired players of South Africa because they gave many new shorts to the world. Especially Ab De Villiers who is 360 player .West Indies players should keep patience if they want to be successful in test cricket.

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West Indies is generally not that good when it comes to test cricket. West Indies generally plays really well in T20 cricket. But in the other two formats of cricket, they are not that good. But recently they have shown a decent performance against England, especially in the second test match. But we can still say that England was able to win all of those test matches very convincingly. It is going to be hard for them to win against South Africa. There is a chance that the matches are still going to be competitive. But as we all know in test cricket, if one team gets out cheaply once, it becomes a very big problem for them to make a comeback. And we have seen West Indies getting all out cheaply Against England multiple times.

The match between West Indies Championship XI and South Africa has finished. Otherwise, if it will be pure match then the West Indies team lose it without a doubt.
As in the second innings, they were losing the wickets back-to-back and lost 4 wickets on 46 score then if the game had not finished (if we had more overs) then might be under 100 the team of West Indies Championship XI could be all out and then South Africa will chase it easily but no problem because it was not the match of World Cup final, in which, they were needy of 30 in 30 balls but then David Miller out by the wonderful catch of Surya Kumar Yadav. History Tongue

If you ask me about their perform I have no idea about their perform. I have mostly seen the West Indies team weak. And you are also saying that this match will be lost. Yes West Indies play well in the first innings but in the second innings they lost wickets and scored only 46 runs. As for South Africa they were play very well. But eventually they will be under pressure. West Indies have never had a match winning perform. If they work hard and struggle with fun they can match. If you see the perform of their batsmen there will be no good perform anywhere. Because the first innings target was 397 which is very common. And turning to South Africa their debut English perform is impressive.

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There was no result of this match and no team could win this match. West Indies team made 397 runs in first inning and after that we saw batting of SA team and SA team played very well and made more runs as comparison to WC - XI team. SA team made 408 runs and after that they declare . There were two players from WI team wio made centuries for the team . Jeremy made 111 runs in 211 balls and he hit 16 fours and 1 six. Shamar made 131 runs in 212 balls and Bishop made half century for the team . Match was draw due to rain and both teams got equal points. SA team could win this match and they were ahead in many things and they were doing well.That match has no importance but it will give confidence to the team but we didn't see any result due to rain.

Exactly the South Africa has the chances to win this test match. But due to rain there is no result of this match and match has drawn. South Africa was good and they were playing well and the have the ability to win this match but unfortunately there is no result. And West Indies was not good in batting and bowling both. Because we already have seen them in the series of England Vs West Indies. West Indies still need much practice because their players don't have the consistency in the test cricket.

South Africa declared the innings with 400 plus runs in the first innings, on the other hand, West Indies were all out for 397 in their first innings and once again invited the West Indies to bat. So in the second innings it was clear that West Indies could not have reached a level that would have resulted in a very low target for South Africa but that was not the case due to rain and the result of this match remained undecided. But considering the first innings, I would say that South Africa did much better in the first innings compared to West Indies' two innings.

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