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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 17, 2021, 10:40:17 PM

Quote from: galambo on November 17, 2021, 12:48:04 PM

One reason why Indian batting failed specially against Pakistan in UAE is because they used to play fast bowlers with speed of 120 to 130 in IPL but Pakistani pace bowlers used to bowl over 140. This league structure is not good for cricket in the long run, player who can perform good in test or ODI is real cricketer.

Well.. that's strange. In the IPL we have tearaway pacers like Kyle Jamieson, Lockie Ferguson and Anrich Nortje. They normally bowl within the 140-150 kmph range. On top of that, the pitches in the UAE were not very supportive of the pace bowling. The scoring rate plummeted during the 7-15 overs, and during this time it was the medium pacers and spinners who dominated the bowling attack. The top wicket takers were two spinners - Wanindu Hasaranga and Adam Zampa, followed by Trent Boult.

@galambo the real reason was fatigue the Indian player’s were tired, and instead of opting out of the tournament or taking a break from IPL to be fit they decided to turn up and put in a horrible show.

Furthermore the team that played Pakistan could easily play any pace bowler if they were fully fit, but sadly they weren’t hence they lost the match, but going ahead in future test matches I’m sure they’ll do well against any pace bowler.

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Quote from: galambo on November 17, 2021, 12:48:04 PM

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Maybe your logic is right, but I am not feeling in this way because all Indians are not vegetarians, just 50% or 60% many communities are eating meat like Christians. Muslims and some good number of Tamil Nado it's all about system in long run Indian Board authorities were feeling comfortable with spin and batting tracks, but after good thing was happening as they were investing good in MRF Pace Academy now it's giving good dividend, and they have some good number of quality pacers specially after Sri Nath and Prasad due many youngsters doing good for them. Kapil Dev and then we have Zaheer Khan and now Ishant Sharma with over 300+ wickets which is great from them in difficult situations, but now they have some good number of fast bowlers those are doing good in IPL and domestic, so this is bringing big change for them with quality and balanced team.

One reason why Indian batting failed specially against Pakistan in UAE is because they used to play fast bowlers with speed of 120 to 130 in IPL but Pakistani pace bowlers used to bowl over 140. This league structure is not good for cricket in the long run, player who can perform good in test or ODI is real cricketer.

One thing I can agree with you is that T20 format is not real cricket. Your main aim as a batter is to hit the ball out of the ground and as a baller is to take a wicket. ODI and Test cricket require a lot of skills and patience and that is why those who love cricket as a game are always watching these matches. I do not think Pakistani balling was a problem, the biggest problem was losing the toss.

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Quote from: galambo on November 17, 2021, 12:48:04 PM

One reason why Indian batting failed specially against Pakistan in UAE is because they used to play fast bowlers with speed of 120 to 130 in IPL but Pakistani pace bowlers used to bowl over 140. This league structure is not good for cricket in the long run, player who can perform good in test or ODI is real cricketer.

Well.. that's strange. In the IPL we have tearaway pacers like Kyle Jamieson, Lockie Ferguson and Anrich Nortje. They normally bowl within the 140-150 kmph range. On top of that, the pitches in the UAE were not very supportive of the pace bowling. The scoring rate plummeted during the 7-15 overs, and during this time it was the medium pacers and spinners who dominated the bowling attack. The top wicket takers were two spinners - Wanindu Hasaranga and Adam Zampa, followed by Trent Boult.

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Quote from: GbitG on November 15, 2021, 12:11:57 PM

Maybe your logic is right, but I am not feeling in this way because all Indians are not vegetarians, just 50% or 60% many communities are eating meat like Christians. Muslims and some good number of Tamil Nado it's all about system in long run Indian Board authorities were feeling comfortable with spin and batting tracks, but after good thing was happening as they were investing good in MRF Pace Academy now it's giving good dividend, and they have some good number of quality pacers specially after Sri Nath and Prasad due many youngsters doing good for them. Kapil Dev and then we have Zaheer Khan and now Ishant Sharma with over 300+ wickets which is great from them in difficult situations, but now they have some good number of fast bowlers those are doing good in IPL and domestic, so this is bringing big change for them with quality and balanced team.

One reason why Indian batting failed specially against Pakistan in UAE is because they used to play fast bowlers with speed of 120 to 130 in IPL but Pakistani pace bowlers used to bowl over 140. This league structure is not good for cricket in the long run, player who can perform good in test or ODI is real cricketer.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 17, 2021, 07:16:48 AM

Quote from: Iranus on November 17, 2021, 03:27:42 AM

Actually, I don't think Anil Kumble and Ravichandran Ashwin are best suited for pace bowling. Yes, they are tall but not every tall bowler can be a pace bowler. And if we talk about science we all know that consuming meat gives you a lot more protein than only consuming vegetables. I am not saying this is the only reason but I am saying this could be a reason.

The vegetarian diet in India is rich in protein, and I don't think that meat eaters are having an advantage in terms of physical power. I would still persist with my claim that a lot of younger players opt for spin bowling, because the grounds in India doesn't provide adequate support for seam/pace bowling. Only a few grounds like the one at Mohali support pace bowling, and that is the reason why the domestic teams that are based in these grounds have a good supply of pace bowlers.

I have to add one more thing here that a lot of kids are interested in fast bowling from their childhood. But what most often ends up happening is they don't get good enough ground or good coaching as the coaches most often focus on the well-performing ones. And smoking and drug addiction is also a big cause why a lot of young players lose their pace.

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Quote from: Iranus on November 17, 2021, 03:27:42 AM

Actually, I don't think Anil Kumble and Ravichandran Ashwin are best suited for pace bowling. Yes, they are tall but not every tall bowler can be a pace bowler. And if we talk about science we all know that consuming meat gives you a lot more protein than only consuming vegetables. I am not saying this is the only reason but I am saying this could be a reason.

The vegetarian diet in India is rich in protein, and I don't think that meat eaters are having an advantage in terms of physical power. I would still persist with my claim that a lot of younger players opt for spin bowling, because the grounds in India doesn't provide adequate support for seam/pace bowling. Only a few grounds like the one at Mohali support pace bowling, and that is the reason why the domestic teams that are based in these grounds have a good supply of pace bowlers.

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Quote from: GbitG on November 15, 2021, 12:11:57 PM

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Indian Board authorities were feeling comfortable with spin and batting tracks, but after good thing was happening as they were investing good in MRF Pace Academy now it's giving good dividend, and they have some good number of quality pacers specially after Sri Nath and Prasad due many youngsters doing good for them. Kapil Dev and then we have Zaheer Khan and now Ishant Sharma with over 300+ wickets which is great from them in difficult situations, but now they have some good number of fast bowlers those are doing good in IPL and domestic, so this is bringing big change for them with quality and balanced team.

As the Indians are finding more and more pacers the team is looking much more balanced than before. Yes, India has had a few fast bowlers in the past but I am not really convinced that they were absolutely world-class. But I think, in recent times they have found some pace bowlers who can actually complete in that level.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 16, 2021, 04:31:53 AM

Quote from: Iranus on November 15, 2021, 10:25:16 AM

I agree with you on this point. Indians are mostly vegetarian and that's why their hand-eye coordination is really good. And that is the reason why Indians produce so many great batsmen over the years. But when it comes to raw power I think India lacks behind. And the exact opposite has happened with Pakistan where people consume a lot of meat and they also produce a lot of fast bowlers over the years.

This is the most ridiculous logic I have ever heard. Pacers like Kapil Dev, Venkatesh Prasad and Javagal Srinath were vegetarians and Srinath regularly averaged around 90 mph during his prime days. Even among the current bunch of pacers, I guess Ishant Sharma is a vegetarian. So the diet hardly makes any difference, IMO. The main issue is the lack of support offered by the pitches in India. So the majority of the youngsters opt for spin. Good examples are those of Ashwin and Kumble, who are physically more suited for pace bowling.

Actually, I don't think Anil Kumble and Ravichandran Ashwin are best suited for pace bowling. Yes, they are tall but not every tall bowler can be a pace bowler. And if we talk about science we all know that consuming meat gives you a lot more protein than only consuming vegetables. I am not saying this is the only reason but I am saying this could be a reason.

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Quote from: Iranus on November 15, 2021, 10:25:16 AM

I agree with you on this point. Indians are mostly vegetarian and that's why their hand-eye coordination is really good. And that is the reason why Indians produce so many great batsmen over the years. But when it comes to raw power I think India lacks behind. And the exact opposite has happened with Pakistan where people consume a lot of meat and they also produce a lot of fast bowlers over the years.

This is the most ridiculous logic I have ever heard. Pacers like Kapil Dev, Venkatesh Prasad and Javagal Srinath were vegetarians and Srinath regularly averaged around 90 mph during his prime days. Even among the current bunch of pacers, I guess Ishant Sharma is a vegetarian. So the diet hardly makes any difference, IMO. The main issue is the lack of support offered by the pitches in India. So the majority of the youngsters opt for spin. Good examples are those of Ashwin and Kumble, who are physically more suited for pace bowling.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 14, 2021, 11:56:39 AM

Fast bowling was always the weakest sector for Indian cricket. During the 90s, it was Javagal Srinath, who was the sole genuine fast bowler. After him, that position was taken up by Zaheer Khan, with a few medium pacers (Agarkar, Mohanty, Pathan.etc) for company. But then it changed. Look at the current bunch of Indian pacers. There are several genuine pace bowlers, including Shami, Ishant, Umesh, Siraj, Natarajan and Bumrah. India never had such a wide choice of selection as far as pace bowling is concerned.

India strength from day one was his batting not bowling. India has produced tons of great batsman but no remarkable name in the field of bowling. I am surprised you forget to name Venkatesh Prasad along with Javagal Srinath. One reason why India lack fast bowlers is because majority of there population is vegetarian and don't consume any type of meat (meat provides necessary protein required for energy).

I agree with you on this point. Indians are mostly vegetarian and that's why their hand-eye coordination is really good. And that is the reason why Indians produce so many great batsmen over the years. But when it comes to raw power I think India lacks behind. And the exact opposite has happened with Pakistan where people consume a lot of meat and they also produce a lot of fast bowlers over the years.

Maybe your logic is right, but I am not feeling in this way because all Indians are not vegetarians, just 50% or 60% many communities are eating meat like Christians. Muslims and some good number of Tamil Nado it's all about system in long run Indian Board authorities were feeling comfortable with spin and batting tracks, but after good thing was happening as they were investing good in MRF Pace Academy now it's giving good dividend, and they have some good number of quality pacers specially after Sri Nath and Prasad due many youngsters doing good for them. Kapil Dev and then we have Zaheer Khan and now Ishant Sharma with over 300+ wickets which is great from them in difficult situations, but now they have some good number of fast bowlers those are doing good in IPL and domestic, so this is bringing big change for them with quality and balanced team.

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Quote from: Theones on November 14, 2021, 02:20:24 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on November 14, 2021, 11:56:39 AM

Fast bowling was always the weakest sector for Indian cricket. During the 90s, it was Javagal Srinath, who was the sole genuine fast bowler. After him, that position was taken up by Zaheer Khan, with a few medium pacers (Agarkar, Mohanty, Pathan.etc) for company. But then it changed. Look at the current bunch of Indian pacers. There are several genuine pace bowlers, including Shami, Ishant, Umesh, Siraj, Natarajan and Bumrah. India never had such a wide choice of selection as far as pace bowling is concerned.

India strength from day one was his batting not bowling. India has produced tons of great batsman but no remarkable name in the field of bowling. I am surprised you forget to name Venkatesh Prasad along with Javagal Srinath. One reason why India lack fast bowlers is because majority of there population is vegetarian and don't consume any type of meat (meat provides necessary protein required for energy).

I agree with you on this point. Indians are mostly vegetarian and that's why their hand-eye coordination is really good. And that is the reason why Indians produce so many great batsmen over the years. But when it comes to raw power I think India lacks behind. And the exact opposite has happened with Pakistan where people consume a lot of meat and they also produce a lot of fast bowlers over the years.

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Quote from: kingangel on November 14, 2021, 10:38:19 AM

Completely agree with your point brother. Kohli dont have legends in his team but he has done well and made the players in his team. Specially in fast bowling department, India never had good test fast bowlers in fast apart from zaheer khan in test match cricket but during his captaincy he groomed any fast bowlers like shami and bumrah and thats why india is able to win in overseas conditions.

Fast bowling was always the weakest sector for Indian cricket. During the 90s, it was Javagal Srinath, who was the sole genuine fast bowler. After him, that position was taken up by Zaheer Khan, with a few medium pacers (Agarkar, Mohanty, Pathan.etc) for company. But then it changed. Look at the current bunch of Indian pacers. There are several genuine pace bowlers, including Shami, Ishant, Umesh, Siraj, Natarajan and Bumrah. India never had such a wide choice of selection as far as pace bowling is concerned.

Yes, India's pace bowling has obviously improved and we have to give credit to the authority for that. Because I think we all remember Bumrah when he played IPL for the first time. He was nothing like the bowler that he is now. And now they also have a strong pipeline of pace bowlers.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 14, 2021, 11:56:39 AM

Fast bowling was always the weakest sector for Indian cricket. During the 90s, it was Javagal Srinath, who was the sole genuine fast bowler. After him, that position was taken up by Zaheer Khan, with a few medium pacers (Agarkar, Mohanty, Pathan.etc) for company. But then it changed. Look at the current bunch of Indian pacers. There are several genuine pace bowlers, including Shami, Ishant, Umesh, Siraj, Natarajan and Bumrah. India never had such a wide choice of selection as far as pace bowling is concerned.

India strength from day one was his batting not bowling. India has produced tons of great batsman but no remarkable name in the field of bowling. I am surprised you forget to name Venkatesh Prasad along with Javagal Srinath. One reason why India lack fast bowlers is because majority of there population is vegetarian and don't consume any type of meat (meat provides necessary protein required for energy).

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Quote from: kingangel on November 14, 2021, 10:38:19 AM

Completely agree with your point brother. Kohli dont have legends in his team but he has done well and made the players in his team. Specially in fast bowling department, India never had good test fast bowlers in fast apart from zaheer khan in test match cricket but during his captaincy he groomed any fast bowlers like shami and bumrah and thats why india is able to win in overseas conditions.

Fast bowling was always the weakest sector for Indian cricket. During the 90s, it was Javagal Srinath, who was the sole genuine fast bowler. After him, that position was taken up by Zaheer Khan, with a few medium pacers (Agarkar, Mohanty, Pathan.etc) for company. But then it changed. Look at the current bunch of Indian pacers. There are several genuine pace bowlers, including Shami, Ishant, Umesh, Siraj, Natarajan and Bumrah. India never had such a wide choice of selection as far as pace bowling is concerned.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 14, 2021, 09:31:19 AM

Ponting had a few legends in his team, and it helped him with the captaincy record. On the other hand, (apart from himself) Kohli was mostly dependent on players like Rohit, Pant, Shami, Bumrah and Ishant to win matches. These are world class players, but in no way they can be compared to the likes of Glenn McGrath and Shane Warne. I would say that at least in the initial years, Kohli had to put much more effort when compared to Ponting, and let's not forget the fact that the team was overdependent on him on the batting department.

Everyone during ponting era was legend Lee, baven, gilchrist and more. You are right that ponting had nothing much to do in the presence of such big guns. Meanwhile its dilemma of Asian teams that they are mostly dependent on few players in the team, they play with many weak links.

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Quote from: og kush420 on November 14, 2021, 07:59:35 AM

Kohli is still beyond ponting. Ponting so far appeared in 77 tests as captain, 48 won and 16 lost. Seeing the age and form of Kohli, he can beat ponting record in few years. It's a good move by BCCI that they have given rest to few of there key players that will help them in regaining the lost form.

Ponting had a few legends in his team, and it helped him with the captaincy record. On the other hand, (apart from himself) Kohli was mostly dependent on players like Rohit, Pant, Shami, Bumrah and Ishant to win matches. These are world class players, but in no way they can be compared to the likes of Glenn McGrath and Shane Warne. I would say that at least in the initial years, Kohli had to put much more effort when compared to Ponting, and let's not forget the fact that the team was overdependent on him on the batting department.

Completely agree with your point brother. Kohli dont have legends in his team but he has done well and made the players in his team. Specially in fast bowling department, India never had good test fast bowlers in fast apart from zaheer khan in test match cricket but during his captaincy he groomed any fast bowlers like shami and bumrah and thats why india is able to win in overseas conditions.

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Quote from: og kush420 on November 14, 2021, 07:59:35 AM

Kohli is still beyond ponting. Ponting so far appeared in 77 tests as captain, 48 won and 16 lost. Seeing the age and form of Kohli, he can beat ponting record in few years. It's a good move by BCCI that they have given rest to few of there key players that will help them in regaining the lost form.

Ponting had a few legends in his team, and it helped him with the captaincy record. On the other hand, (apart from himself) Kohli was mostly dependent on players like Rohit, Pant, Shami, Bumrah and Ishant to win matches. These are world class players, but in no way they can be compared to the likes of Glenn McGrath and Shane Warne. I would say that at least in the initial years, Kohli had to put much more effort when compared to Ponting, and let's not forget the fact that the team was overdependent on him on the batting department.

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Pakistan doesn't hate India and same is with India. It is the media that outlines with some form of rivalry which doesn't go beyond the limit. With sports the rivalry is healthy and it creates more energy on the match. It is quite evident to see this healthy relationship in UAE. In most of the workers camp Pakistan and Indian people can be seen. During the match time each support their country and this doesn't end up with a fight. Each makes fun against each other, and the next day both work together.

People don't hate each other its the politicians who malign heart and minds of innocent people for there political gains. Pakistan and India should play more and more cricket together, so that players of both sides don't feel immense pressure during the match. Media houses are just puppet of politicians so we cant expect anything good from them. See yourself, under how much pressure Indian team played the game against Pak in this t20 WC.

Yes these politicians and the media and specially so much false media of social media platform are spoiling the things up. We always felt there should be regular matches between india and pakistan. Specially test cricket we have not saw them play with each other since a very long time. Dont know when this gonna happen though Huh

I really hope we see them play with each other soon

It's unfortunate citizens are going ways of the politicians, they should forget about the politians because most of them are fighting for their own personal interest. We the citizens should live our lives and do what makes happy. Sport is suppose to bring togetherness ,let go for the sport and earn the money too

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Quote from: StLucifer on November 14, 2021, 06:16:20 AM

Not only dhoni but i think he has also surpassed ricky poiting as a captain which is a huge achievement. As we all know under pointing australia were like unbeatable side in that time and If kohli's stat's are better than him there without a doubt his success in test match cricket as a captain is best. Kohli will be captain in test for atleast 3-4 years more for india that i am sure of.

Kohli is still beyond ponting. Ponting so far appeared in 77 tests as captain, 48 won and 16 lost. Seeing the age and form of Kohli, he can beat ponting record in few years. It's a good move by BCCI that they have given rest to few of there key players that will help them in regaining the lost form.

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No there is no chance that kohli has been removed from test match captaincy as well. We have to agree that in test cricket India under kohli has done really well. Yes they lost the final against New Zealand but India have beaten australia in australia twice and also England in england and no other team has done that in recent past other than india.

Right now kohli is one of the most successful India test captan surpassing legend MS Dohni. As a captain he has played 65 test matches, 38 won, 16 lost and 11 draw. The percentage of winning is 58.46. So there is no need to replace kohli as test captain, just because of Indian team bad performance in T20 WC.

Not only dhoni but i think he has also surpassed ricky poiting as a captain which is a huge achievement. As we all know under pointing australia were like unbeatable side in that time and If kohli's stat's are better than him there without a doubt his success in test match cricket as a captain is best. Kohli will be captain in test for atleast 3-4 years more for india that i am sure of.

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