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The excuse that the pitch was unplayable, should also have been a problem for the other team.. so it is the team that adapt to the conditions of the pitch ...that will win the game. Wink

Two of the SENA nations are touring sub-continent sides right now, and both of them are facing horrible pitch conditions (New Zealand and South Africa). The funny thing is that SENA pitches have become more batsmen friendly during the last two decades, while the subcontinent pitches have become more and more spin-friendly. The issue is not the visitors adapting to the conditions. If that was the case then Sri Lanka would not have made a paltry total of 203 in the third match and 197 in the second match.

I would not saying that the pitch was good or bad but those who try to cover their lose on things like pitches is not good, it shows that they are not serious in improvement and only want to show themselves good in front of everyone. Even though i think the pitch was not perfect but they should have admitted that they lose by poor performance and would try to learn from their mistakes.

In current both situations we cannot blame curators or local authorities because currently both team from SENA have no full squads, and they are playing lots of youth players those are not familiar with these conditions and pitches which is giving some serious damage but still we have something which need to do some better for cricket here in this region.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 08, 2021, 07:03:21 AM

Quote from: Kakmakr on September 08, 2021, 03:04:21 AM

The excuse that the pitch was unplayable, should also have been a problem for the other team.. so it is the team that adapt to the conditions of the pitch ...that will win the game. Wink

Two of the SENA nations are touring sub-continent sides right now, and both of them are facing horrible pitch conditions (New Zealand and South Africa). The funny thing is that SENA pitches have become more batsmen friendly during the last two decades, while the subcontinent pitches have become more and more spin-friendly. The issue is not the visitors adapting to the conditions. If that was the case then Sri Lanka would not have made a paltry total of 203 in the third match and 197 in the second match.

I would not saying that the pitch was good or bad but those who try to cover their lose on things like pitches is not good, it shows that they are not serious in improvement and only want to show themselves good in front of everyone. Even though i think the pitch was not perfect but they should have admitted that they lose by poor performance and would try to learn from their mistakes.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on September 08, 2021, 03:04:21 AM

The excuse that the pitch was unplayable, should also have been a problem for the other team.. so it is the team that adapt to the conditions of the pitch ...that will win the game. Wink

Two of the SENA nations are touring sub-continent sides right now, and both of them are facing horrible pitch conditions (New Zealand and South Africa). The funny thing is that SENA pitches have become more batsmen friendly during the last two decades, while the subcontinent pitches have become more and more spin-friendly. The issue is not the visitors adapting to the conditions. If that was the case then Sri Lanka would not have made a paltry total of 203 in the third match and 197 in the second match.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 07, 2021, 10:49:31 PM

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SA has been performing shitty for quite some time now. There was nothing to suggest that they will win as their batsmen have not been performing as expected by them. The score was just 203 and they were not able to chase it, imagine how bad they have batted. You should have checked their previous performance before putting money on them.

Gone are the days when South Africa was considered as competitive as the big 3 teams. When players like Alan Donald, Shaun Pollock, Jacques Kallis and Lance Klusener were playing for them, they were the toughest side to beat. But times have changed and due to quota policy many of the promising white players have emigrated to other countries. And some of these players (Neil Wagner, Devon Conway, Marnus Labuschagne, Colin Munro, David Wiese.etc) have become the backbone of their adopted teams.

But a part of the reason why South Africa performed so poorly lies in the pitch. The surface that was prepared for the 3rd match was close to unplayable.

I agree that the "Politics" have ruined South African Cricket, because people are not chosen for teams based on their performance or skills anymore, but just on the color of their skin.

Some might say it is reversed Apartheid, but we have to agree that the previous disadvantaged people also has to come through to compete at the highest levels and some of these people are very skilled and capable to do the job... the problem is.. too many are chosen now, that are not ready for that level of competition and Politicians are only focused on numbers and ratios.

The excuse that the pitch was unplayable, should also have been a problem for the other team.. so it is the team that adapt to the conditions of the pitch ...that will win the game. Wink

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on September 07, 2021, 09:01:19 PM

SA has been performing shitty for quite some time now. There was nothing to suggest that they will win as their batsmen have not been performing as expected by them. The score was just 203 and they were not able to chase it, imagine how bad they have batted. You should have checked their previous performance before putting money on them.

Gone are the days when South Africa was considered as competitive as the big 3 teams. When players like Alan Donald, Shaun Pollock, Jacques Kallis and Lance Klusener were playing for them, they were the toughest side to beat. But times have changed and due to quota policy many of the promising white players have emigrated to other countries. And some of these players (Neil Wagner, Devon Conway, Marnus Labuschagne, Colin Munro, David Wiese.etc) have become the backbone of their adopted teams.

But a part of the reason why South Africa performed so poorly lies in the pitch. The surface that was prepared for the 3rd match was close to unplayable.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on September 07, 2021, 02:09:45 PM

Why is South Africa so shitty these days? I put some money on them against Siri Lanka ... hoping that they would play much harder... to not have to playoff to qualify, but they never turned up for the bloody game!

I thought that would be a sure thing.... but it is very disappointing. Angry

I hope they will turn up for their next bloody game or I will write them off for the future. (Politics are messing with the team selection and it shows) Sad

SA has been performing shitty for quite some time now. There was nothing to suggest that they will win as their batsmen have not been performing as expected by them. The score was just 203 and they were not able to chase it, imagine how bad they have batted. You should have checked their previous performance before putting money on them.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on September 07, 2021, 02:09:45 PM

Why is South Africa so shitty these days? I put some money on them against Siri Lanka ... hoping that they would play much harder... to not have to playoff to qualify, but they never turned up for the bloody game!

I thought that would be a sure thing.... but it is very disappointing. Angry

I hope they will turn up for their next bloody game or I will write them off for the future. (Politics are messing with the team selection and it shows) Sad

It is not so surprising to see South Africa lost the match chasing. They lost the first match chasing and in the second match South Africa won because they batted first and Sri Lanka and then there was weather interruptions and the overs were cut short and they lost by a big margin and here in the third match even though Sri Lanka scored just over 200 runs South Africa struggled to keep the scoreboard moving and the team batting first won the first three matches.

I would have placed a live bet if i saw the score for South Africa to chase but luckily i was busy today and missed the match, if not i would have busted today Cheesy

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Quote from: JSRAW on September 07, 2021, 10:09:18 AM

If we manage to win this series then 2 losers are going to play in DEC one overrated series called The Ashes Grin

Kiwis can taunt us same about this series but they are yet to beat us at our home.

Indian curators will prepare dust-bowls and that will make it impossible for the New Zealand bowlers to make a total of even 200. Now this has become the trend. Look at the recent matches played in Sri Lanka and Bangladesh (against South Africa and New Zealand respectively). The pitches were horrible and everyone struggled to make runs. Ideally the SENA curators should go for revenge and prepare bouncy tracks in their home grounds. But I don't know how that will end up, when the opposing team is having bowlers such as Bumrah and Shami.

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Why is South Africa so shitty these days? I put some money on them against Siri Lanka ... hoping that they would play much harder... to not have to playoff to qualify, but they never turned up for the bloody game!

I thought that would be a sure thing.... but it is very disappointing. Angry

I hope they will turn up for their next bloody game or I will write them off for the future. (Politics are messing with the team selection and it shows) Sad

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 07, 2021, 07:24:46 AM

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The match was completely under England's control until they lost the first wicket. They were later in a sudden terrible batting disaster. No one could have imagined that even after collecting 100 runs in the first wicket partnership, he would be defeated by 157 runs. I want to give full credit to the Indian bowlers. In particular, the outcome of the match would have been different if Bumrah had not been able to catch two quick wickets from Pope and Bairstow.

Actually the first wicket partnership looked more like a surprise, because if you analyze you can see that England has batted very poorly in their second innings (in all the matches so far). Burns and Hameed gave them a head-start, but the remaining batsmen (including Joe Root) couldn't utilize it. And for India, it's just the reverse. So far they have performed better while batting second. And in India's case, the lower order have contributed massively to the total. In the second test, Jasprit Bumrah and Mohammad Shami put up 89 runs for the 9th wicket, while for the 4th test first it was the 63-run stand between Shardul and Umesh for the 9th wicket, and then again there was a 100-run stand between Rishabh and Shardul for the 7th wicket.

I agree with you. The performance of India's lower-order batsmen in the second innings was commendable. Those who do not expect good batting from India have also performed well enough. In particular, we were unaware that Bumrah can be batted so well. He was given batting training so maybe he will become an all-rounder. Grin

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Quote from: JSRAW on September 07, 2021, 10:09:18 AM

If we manage to win this series then 2 losers are going to play in DEC one overrated series called The Ashes Grin

Kiwis can taunt us same about this series but they are yet to beat us at our home.

No other cricket board has been able to improve itself as much as India has in the last few years. India now has many talented backup players. So now even if some senior players retire, they will not face any big problem but other teams are dependent on some certain players. Moreover, India has made tremendous progress in both spin and pace bowling. So they are now able to perform well on any pitch, in any condition.

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If we manage to win this series then 2 losers are going to play in DEC one overrated series called The Ashes Grin

Kiwis can taunt us same about this series but they are yet to beat us at our home.

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Quote from: kro55 on September 07, 2021, 05:59:10 AM

The match was completely under England's control until they lost the first wicket. They were later in a sudden terrible batting disaster. No one could have imagined that even after collecting 100 runs in the first wicket partnership, he would be defeated by 157 runs. I want to give full credit to the Indian bowlers. In particular, the outcome of the match would have been different if Bumrah had not been able to catch two quick wickets from Pope and Bairstow.

Actually the first wicket partnership looked more like a surprise, because if you analyze you can see that England has batted very poorly in their second innings (in all the matches so far). Burns and Hameed gave them a head-start, but the remaining batsmen (including Joe Root) couldn't utilize it. And for India, it's just the reverse. So far they have performed better while batting second. And in India's case, the lower order have contributed massively to the total. In the second test, Jasprit Bumrah and Mohammad Shami put up 89 runs for the 9th wicket, while for the 4th test first it was the 63-run stand between Shardul and Umesh for the 9th wicket, and then again there was a 100-run stand between Rishabh and Shardul for the 7th wicket.

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Quote from: KennyR on September 06, 2021, 03:55:49 PM

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Quote from: Ridi on September 06, 2021, 02:04:41 PM

What a great team performance from team India today just loved that after 100 runs behind in the first innings to winning the test match in the 5th day is some thing excellent. Specially on a flat wicket taking 10 wickets in a day was a good achievement.

Through this match, India proved that they have the potential to be the best team in the Test format. However, the future outcome of the match cannot be predicted when two strong teams play against each other. Any miracle can happen at any time in the match. It would not be surprising if England won this match.

This might've got turned to be the match of England, because England lost its first wicket on 100. Further it has lost 9 wickets for 110 runs. None could've predicted this match to turn this way. Also they've got the home ground advantage. We don't know what exactly made the batsmen end with such worse performance. From the bowling side everyone gace the best and thats the reason for this match winning.

The match was completely under England's control until they lost the first wicket. They were later in a sudden terrible batting disaster. No one could have imagined that even after collecting 100 runs in the first wicket partnership, he would be defeated by 157 runs. I want to give full credit to the Indian bowlers. In particular, the outcome of the match would have been different if Bumrah had not been able to catch two quick wickets from Pope and Bairstow.

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Quote from: Haunebu on September 06, 2021, 11:53:48 AM

Holy Jesus! England went from 100/1 to 210 all out. That is an insane batting unit collapse. Addition of players like Stokes, Archer etc would still probably not be enough to save this weak English batting line-up.

I expected this result after India's epic 2nd innings score, but I didn't expect England to lose by a huge margin. If India wins the next one too, it would probably be regarded as a historical achievement.

Brilliant bowling by the Indian bowlers. Everything went as planned by the Indian team. All thanks to Rohit Sharma that the team was able to score 466 in the second innings. The pressure was on the English side and they collapsed while chasing the target. After 35 years Indian won a match at the oval.

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Quote from: nhaila on September 06, 2021, 07:08:09 PM

Congratulations indian cricket team for victory because I don't believe myself with the victory. How could this possible to win the match because england has 10 wickets collecting only 290 runs with 90 overs last day but India destroyed their batting line ....

On the 5th day, even a target of 200 can be challenging. On top of that, the Indian pacers were in excellent form. A lot of eyebrows were raised when the playing XI was announced. Kohli faced a lot of criticism for excluding Ashwin. But in the end, everything worked well for him. It was Shardul Thakur who made the most contribution, and if Ashwin had to be included then he would have been dropped. Another controversial selection was that of Umesh Yadav, but he also picked up crucial wickets and justified his inclusion.

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Congratulations indian cricket team for victory because I don't believe myself with the victory. How could this possible to win the match because england has 10 wickets collecting only 290 runs with 90 overs last day but India destroyed their batting line ....

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Quote from: kro55 on September 06, 2021, 03:10:10 PM

Through this match, India proved that they have the potential to be the best team in the Test format. However, the future outcome of the match cannot be predicted when two strong teams play against each other. Any miracle can happen at any time in the match. It would not be surprising if England won this match.

India is the best team in Test cricket for the past few years, they went to Australia and despite having a terrible first match and with a depleted team due to injury they turned to series upside down and won the series even without having the best playing eleven and they are continuing that same performance in England. If India can win touring Australia and England, India can literally beat any team touring.

I thought Shardul Thakur will be the Man of the match as he played an instrumental part in this match with the bat and ball in India winning the match.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 06, 2021, 01:36:58 PM

The lead for India was 213, and no one expected them to get a lead of more than 250. But the partnership between Rishabh Pant and Shardul Thakur changed everything.

I disagree. I expected a lead of 300 due to the top order batting performances and some others expected a lead closer to 350. However, I do agree with you regarding Pant and Thakur's partnership changing everything.

Quote from: KennyR on September 06, 2021, 03:55:49 PM

We don't know what exactly made the batsmen end with such worse performance. From the bowling side everyone gace the best and thats the reason for this match winning.

Didn't you watch England's recent batting performances? They have consistently proved that they are over-dependent on Root and some of them only perform now and then. The reason India won this match is due to the combination of their batting and bowling units.

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Quote from: kro55 on September 06, 2021, 03:10:10 PM

Quote from: Ridi on September 06, 2021, 02:04:41 PM

What a great team performance from team India today just loved that after 100 runs behind in the first innings to winning the test match in the 5th day is some thing excellent. Specially on a flat wicket taking 10 wickets in a day was a good achievement.

Through this match, India proved that they have the potential to be the best team in the Test format. However, the future outcome of the match cannot be predicted when two strong teams play against each other. Any miracle can happen at any time in the match. It would not be surprising if England won this match.

This might've got turned to be the match of England, because England lost its first wicket on 100. Further it has lost 9 wickets for 110 runs. None could've predicted this match to turn this way. Also they've got the home ground advantage. We don't know what exactly made the batsmen end with such worse performance. From the bowling side everyone gace the best and thats the reason for this match winning.

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