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Quote from: Haunebu on June 28, 2021, 03:43:23 AM

Corrupt BCCI as usual. I would like to see a 5 match series between India and NZ too after their recent encounters. Majority of the BCCI members need to be replaced with better people in my opinion.

Why do you think that a cricket board is corrupted, do they charge money to select the players, i really cannot understand these accusations and there should be an audit that is taking place and if they are really corrupted we should have heard by now because you cannot hide everything for a long period of time.

Quote from: Haunebu on June 28, 2021, 03:43:23 AM

4 years? Are you serious? 2 years itself is a long time and the effect was pretty visible in the final between India and NZ which didn't meet the hype. ICC made the right decision in this context.

The reason for not meeting the hype was the weather delays and that killed the entertainment factor till the last day and everyone was expecting a draw and the last day was really interesting, may be the expectation that the match would go into a draw might have killed the hype but it lived up because we saw a winner and New Zealand deserved the cup.

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 28, 2021, 11:03:47 AM

Not 24 test match.

Each team playing 3 home series and 3 away series (6 series) so it would be 18 test match over 2 years if we go by 3 match formula. Team like India, Australia, South Africa already played 15-18 test match in last WTC cycle ( For SA-Aus Some match got cancelled due to covid). So i think 18 match for each team can do the trick and it seems okay thing to ask. Only potential roadblock is high profile series such as Ashes or Border-Gavaskar trophy which do earn fair amount of revenue.

Point is every team should play same amount of test cricket. It doesn't feel right when England playing 20+ test and NZ or other teams are fielding for only 11 tests in one WTC cycle.

I would say that even 18-20 sounds a bit on the higher side. Among the younger generation, you will find very few fans of test cricket. Among people like me, the interest remains high at least when a high profile series like the Ashes or Border-Gavaskar gets going. But if ICC sticks with the least popular format of cricket and allots a large part of the calendar, then eventually it will result in financial loss and a decrease in overall popularity for the sport.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 27, 2021, 11:00:27 PM

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ICC still made no changes in rules, which is kinda frustrating and not in favor of some teams. Some team still playing like 2 test match series and some still going with old bilateral commitment which is 4-5 tests series;

for ex :

Ind vs Eng - 5 tests
Aus vs Eng - 5 tests
Aus vs Ind - 4 tests

Compare this with Kiwis upcoming series against India - only 2 match series

Are you kidding me? World Champion team still playing 2 games on away series on the other hand teams like Eng-Ind-Aus playing 4-5 games. In ideal world it should be same match series for every single team. At least BCCI could have given NZ 2 more tests but no they won't cause NZ market is not lucrative as Aus or Eng, disappointing.

Here the fault is with the ICC. How can they squeeze the WTC to just 2 years? I would have favored at least 4 years. There are 9 test playing teams in the top division, and an average of 3 tests against each of the opponent would mean 24 test matches in 2 years. When the international calendar is already packed with franchise T20 leagues and bilateral tours, this sort of requirement is unviable. Ideally they should be reducing the number of test matches, as they are not preferred by the younger fans and a majority in the older generation.

Not 24 test match.

Each team playing 3 home series and 3 away series (6 series) so it would be 18 test match over 2 years if we go by 3 match formula. Team like India, Australia, South Africa already played 15-18 test match in last WTC cycle ( For SA-Aus Some match got cancelled due to covid). So i think 18 match for each team can do the trick and it seems okay thing to ask. Only potential roadblock is high profile series such as Ashes or Border-Gavaskar trophy which do earn fair amount of revenue.

Point is every team should play same amount of test cricket. It doesn't feel right when England playing 20+ test and NZ or other teams are fielding for only 11 tests in one WTC cycle.

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Quote from: Haunebu on June 28, 2021, 03:43:23 AM

4 years? Are you serious? 2 years itself is a long time and the effect was pretty visible in the final between India and NZ which didn't meet the hype. ICC made the right decision in this context.

Teams need to further adjust their schedule by prioritising matches with certain teams over others.

2 years would make sense if the existing setup of 9 teams is divided into two divisions. Else, 8 test tours in 24 months is asking for too much. And apart from the pig 3 (plus New Zealand), test cricket is dying elsewhere. Recent test matches involving countries such as Sri Lanka, West Indies and Bangladesh have failed to attract any interest from the cricket fans. I would suggest creating a top tier, with pig 3, New Zealand and one other team (preferably South Africa or Pakistan) and then placing the remaining 4 teams in the second tier.

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 27, 2021, 01:00:00 PM

Are you kidding me? World Champion team still playing 2 games on away series on the other hand teams like Eng-Ind-Aus playing 4-5 games. In ideal world it should be same match series for every single team. At least BCCI could have given NZ 2 more tests but no they won't cause NZ market is not lucrative as Aus or Eng, disappointing.

Corrupt BCCI as usual. I would like to see a 5 match series between India and NZ too after their recent encounters. Majority of the BCCI members need to be replaced with better people in my opinion.

Quote from: Sithara007 on June 27, 2021, 11:00:27 PM

Here the fault is with the ICC. How can they squeeze the WTC to just 2 years? I would have favored at least 4 years.

4 years? Are you serious? 2 years itself is a long time and the effect was pretty visible in the final between India and NZ which didn't meet the hype. ICC made the right decision in this context.

Teams need to further adjust their schedule by prioritising matches with certain teams over others.

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 27, 2021, 01:00:00 PM

ICC still made no changes in rules, which is kinda frustrating and not in favor of some teams. Some team still playing like 2 test match series and some still going with old bilateral commitment which is 4-5 tests series;

for ex :

Ind vs Eng - 5 tests
Aus vs Eng - 5 tests
Aus vs Ind - 4 tests

Compare this with Kiwis upcoming series against India - only 2 match series

Are you kidding me? World Champion team still playing 2 games on away series on the other hand teams like Eng-Ind-Aus playing 4-5 games. In ideal world it should be same match series for every single team. At least BCCI could have given NZ 2 more tests but no they won't cause NZ market is not lucrative as Aus or Eng, disappointing.

Here the fault is with the ICC. How can they squeeze the WTC to just 2 years? I would have favored at least 4 years. There are 9 test playing teams in the top division, and an average of 3 tests against each of the opponent would mean 24 test matches in 2 years. When the international calendar is already packed with franchise T20 leagues and bilateral tours, this sort of requirement is unviable. Ideally they should be reducing the number of test matches, as they are not preferred by the younger fans and a majority in the older generation.

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Quote from: Haunebu on June 27, 2021, 11:54:46 AM

The schedule for the next WTC is out very quickly people and it looks like NZ will begin defending their title in July itself. They deserve a longer break in my opinion.

India will kick off their campaign in August. We will have to wait until 2023 to witness the end of the 2nd edition of WTC. My random prediction is that Australia will win the 2nd edition.

So every two years we will be having a Test championship and a single match format is fine as long as we get the results and we do not want to see any team sharing the trophy. Australia is not performing like they used to in the past, even India came with a weak team and defeated them in their home grounds and they need to play aggressive cricket they used to play in the past, i give England the chance but it all depends upon where the final is conducted.

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That was a poor performance from india on the day and it disappointed me. India should have shown more responsibility. They could have saved the match but i though all of the batsmen were looking over confident and there are no plan on how to go about in the 2nd innings.

That is the current Indian team - always overconfident and arrogant. They refused to play warm-up matches and didn't took their opponents seriously. In the end, Virat Kohli has another loss in the final of an ICC tournament to his name. I want to know whether there will be any change in their attitude for the upcoming T20 world cup. I don't expect any, due to the culture of complacency that has developed over the past few years. There is simply no accountability. At least the coach should have been kicked out after such a pathetic loss.

I agree with you. The Indian team is very confident. It's good to be confident, and we should all be confident in ourselves. But the players of the Indian team are overconfident. They must have played a warm-up match before playing against a strong opponent like New Zealand. India's squad is very strong, but one must have an idea about the strength of the opponent.

It seems you are comparing the team with the captain. The Indian team is confident but the captain of Indian team is over confident😁😁. There is nothing wrong in being confident, being over confident is always an issue. I won't compare every format with the test series for the Indian team but, I think the team has an arrogant captain. .

We can't term it to be arrogance. From my view I find the captain lacking confidence. I state this based on the experience on watching the Indian cricket on different matches. In close matches the captain used to bite the nails and he'll be in complete burning

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on June 27, 2021, 09:29:29 AM

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That was a poor performance from india on the day and it disappointed me. India should have shown more responsibility. They could have saved the match but i though all of the batsmen were looking over confident and there are no plan on how to go about in the 2nd innings.

That is the current Indian team - always overconfident and arrogant. They refused to play warm-up matches and didn't took their opponents seriously. In the end, Virat Kohli has another loss in the final of an ICC tournament to his name. I want to know whether there will be any change in their attitude for the upcoming T20 world cup. I don't expect any, due to the culture of complacency that has developed over the past few years. There is simply no accountability. At least the coach should have been kicked out after such a pathetic loss.

I agree with you. The Indian team is very confident. It's good to be confident, and we should all be confident in ourselves. But the players of the Indian team are overconfident. They must have played a warm-up match before playing against a strong opponent like New Zealand. India's squad is very strong, but one must have an idea about the strength of the opponent.

It seems you are comparing the team with the captain. The Indian team is confident but the captain of Indian team is over confident😁😁. There is nothing wrong in being confident, being over confident is always an issue. I won't compare every format with the test series for the Indian team but, I think the team has an arrogant captain. .

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Quote from: Haunebu on June 27, 2021, 11:54:46 AM

The schedule for the next WTC is out very quickly people and it looks like NZ will begin defending their title in July itself. They deserve a longer break in my opinion.

https://www.insidesport.co/icc-wtc-2021-23-schedule-champion-new-zealand-to-begin-title-defence-in-india-virat-kohli-and-co-to-start-in-august/

India will kick off their campaign in August. We will have to wait until 2023 to witness the end of the 2nd edition of WTC. My random prediction is that Australia will win the 2nd edition.

ICC still made no changes in rules, which is kinda frustrating and not in favor of some teams. Some team still playing like 2 test match series and some still going with old bilateral commitment which is 4-5 tests series;

for ex :

Ind vs Eng - 5 tests
Aus vs Eng - 5 tests
Aus vs Ind - 4 tests

Compare this with Kiwis upcoming series against India - only 2 match series

Are you kidding me? World Champion team still playing 2 games on away series on the other hand teams like Eng-Ind-Aus playing 4-5 games. In ideal world it should be same match series for every single team. At least BCCI could have given NZ 2 more tests but no they won't cause NZ market is not lucrative as Aus or Eng, disappointing.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on June 27, 2021, 09:29:29 AM

I agree with you. The Indian team is very confident. It's good to be confident, and we should all be confident in ourselves. But the players of the Indian team are overconfident. They must have played a warm-up match before playing against a strong opponent like New Zealand. India's squad is very strong, but one must have an idea about the strength of the opponent.

The COVID situation might have halted their plans on conducting a warm up match before the WTC final against New Zealand but from i understand from news media the BCCI has requested the ECB to conduct two warm up matches before the England India series that starts in August and hopefully they will conduct the warm up matches.

Indian bowlers were not in their best form during the WTC finals and a warm up match would have helped them to adjust to the line and length necessary for the pitch and climate situation.

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The schedule for the next WTC is out very quickly people and it looks like NZ will begin defending their title in July itself. They deserve a longer break in my opinion.

https://www.insidesport.co/icc-wtc-2021-23-schedule-champion-new-zealand-to-begin-title-defence-in-india-virat-kohli-and-co-to-start-in-august/

India will kick off their campaign in August. We will have to wait until 2023 to witness the end of the 2nd edition of WTC. My random prediction is that Australia will win the 2nd edition.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on June 27, 2021, 09:29:29 AM

I agree with you. The Indian team is very confident. It's good to be confident, and we should all be confident in ourselves. But the players of the Indian team are overconfident. They must have played a warm-up match before playing against a strong opponent like New Zealand. India's squad is very strong, but one must have an idea about the strength of the opponent.

Perhaps they didn't took the World Test Championship seriously enough? Although the name is "World Test Championship", in the media there was very little hype. It was played over a period of 3 years and didn't achieved a good viewership count in India. Perhaps for the Indian team, the IPL and the T20 World Cup was more of a priority. The bigger issue here is that the test format is witnessing sharp decline in interest from the fans, irrespective of all the desperate measures which the ICC is trying to put in.

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That was a poor performance from india on the day and it disappointed me. India should have shown more responsibility. They could have saved the match but i though all of the batsmen were looking over confident and there are no plan on how to go about in the 2nd innings.

That is the current Indian team - always overconfident and arrogant. They refused to play warm-up matches and didn't took their opponents seriously. In the end, Virat Kohli has another loss in the final of an ICC tournament to his name. I want to know whether there will be any change in their attitude for the upcoming T20 world cup. I don't expect any, due to the culture of complacency that has developed over the past few years. There is simply no accountability. At least the coach should have been kicked out after such a pathetic loss.

I agree with you. The Indian team is very confident. It's good to be confident, and we should all be confident in ourselves. But the players of the Indian team are overconfident. They must have played a warm-up match before playing against a strong opponent like New Zealand. India's squad is very strong, but one must have an idea about the strength of the opponent.

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Quote from: FIFA worldcup on June 27, 2021, 12:35:43 AM

That was a poor performance from india on the day and it disappointed me. India should have shown more responsibility. They could have saved the match but i though all of the batsmen were looking over confident and there are no plan on how to go about in the 2nd innings.

That is the current Indian team - always overconfident and arrogant. They refused to play warm-up matches and didn't took their opponents seriously. In the end, Virat Kohli has another loss in the final of an ICC tournament to his name. I want to know whether there will be any change in their attitude for the upcoming T20 world cup. I don't expect any, due to the culture of complacency that has developed over the past few years. There is simply no accountability. At least the coach should have been kicked out after such a pathetic loss.

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If the Indian batsman could have played for half hour longer they could have saved the match.

Spot on!

Just surviving another 6-7 overs could have done the trick. But did any of the Indian batsmen showed patience out there, apart from Pujara and Rahane? Starting from Virat Kohli, everyone was treating the second innings as some sort of a T20 match. I might have watched the highlights of the second innings at least a dozen times. It really irritates me that most of the batsmen got out playing unwanted shots. Showing aggression is OK. But for that you don't need to lash out at each and every ball. The way Pant and Ashwin got out was just shocking.

That was a poor performance from india on the day and it disappointed me. India should have shown more responsibility. They could have saved the match but i though all of the batsmen were looking over confident and there are no plan on how to go about in the 2nd innings.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on June 26, 2021, 01:40:51 PM

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If the Indian batsman could have played for half hour longer they could have saved the match.

Spot on!

Just surviving another 6-7 overs could have done the trick. But did any of the Indian batsmen showed patience out there, apart from Pujara and Rahane? Starting from Virat Kohli, everyone was treating the second innings as some sort of a T20 match. I might have watched the highlights of the second innings at least a dozen times. It really irritates me that most of the batsmen got out playing unwanted shots. Showing aggression is OK. But for that you don't need to lash out at each and every ball. The way Pant and Ashwin got out was just shocking.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on June 26, 2021, 09:59:57 AM

There is no reason to think that India has batted badly, anything can happen when two first tier teams play against each other. India lost all their wickets for 217 in the first innings, while New Zealand lost all their wickets for 249. Although India had a chance to draw. They could have played better in the second inning. But the Indian batsmen could not stand in front of Southee and Boult's extraordinary pace bowling.

From 62 for no loss in the first innings to 217 all out and 170 all out in the second innings and there is no reason to think that India batted badly Roll Eyes

. These are extraordinary performance by the New Zealand bowlers and the Indian batsman did not do anything to win the match Cheesy

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If the Indian batsman could have played for half hour longer they could have saved the match.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on June 26, 2021, 09:59:57 AM

There is no reason to think that India has batted badly, anything can happen when two first tier teams play against each other. India lost all their wickets for 217 in the first innings, while New Zealand lost all their wickets for 249. Although India had a chance to draw. They could have played better in the second inning. But the Indian batsmen could not stand in front of Southee and Boult's extraordinary pace bowling.

India hasn't batted badly? Actually Indian batsman haven't played with proper responsibility. Their performance was really bad in second innings. New Zealand pace bowler was able to swing their bowl perfectly. While Indian pace bowler wasn't able to swing their bowl like Kiwis bowler. Indian team is familiar for their best batting lineup but they was unable to show it in front of Kiwis bowler.

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Apart from being arrogant, he is also jinxed, every important tournament final he has lost yet he still comes out on the field as if he is the only crusader for team India. I do not know what his problem is but he thinks he is the one Grin

Not sure which player can replace this guy as a captain but Rohit Sharma would be my first choice.

Rohit Sharma is even more arrogant when compared to Kohli. But in his case at least we can say that he know how to behave in public, unlike Kohli who behave like a baboon in the field. The same is the case with the other potential options, such as Rishabh Pant and Hardik Pandya. Anyway, until Kohli retires from the game (that may happen after 7-8 years), there is no chance that someone else will come up as the permanent captain in any of the three formats. Kohli will never resign by himself, and no one else have the courage to demand that he should step down.

A few shitty performance in batting and few over confident actions as a captain and he will be forced to resign. But, first that baboon shastri need to leave the team. It is because of him this guy is still being retained by the BCCI.

There is no reason to think that India has batted badly, anything can happen when two first tier teams play against each other. India lost all their wickets for 217 in the first innings, while New Zealand lost all their wickets for 249. Although India had a chance to draw. They could have played better in the second inning. But the Indian batsmen could not stand in front of Southee and Boult's extraordinary pace bowling.

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