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Looking at Virat Kohli's behavior, I think he is still young. In Kohli’s nature, more seriousness has to be brought. He is the captain of a big team like India. He should learn from Dhoni or Sachin. I don't think he will ever be able to have a personality like Dhoni.

He's no longer young. He's in his mid 30s, and we expect him to be more mature. Dhoni and Sachin were mild natured guys, so we can't compare Virat with them. One good comparison may be with Sourav Ganguly (who is regarded as the most aggressive captain of the Indian team before Kohli). But while Ganguly was aggressive, he was never disrespectful or arrogant. Also, no one ever complained that Ganguly was biased. On the other hand, Kohli is more like a bully, rather then being aggressive. On top of that, he is accused of bias towards RCB players such as Saini and Siraj.
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Although I am an Indian citizen, I was supporting New Zealand throughout this test match. Virat Kohli makes it hard for people like me to support the current Indian team. His celebration after the dismissal of Kane Williamson in the first innings is the perfect example. He was roaring and jumping like a monkey, as if his team has won the trophy. And the New Zealand captain is just the exact opposite. I still remember the words he said, after New Zealand was robbed of the 2019 ODI World Cup trophy. There is a reason why cricket is known as "gentleman's game". There is no place for intimidation or bullying in cricket.

Virat Kohli is very arrogant. He is a talented player. I like her playstyle very much. But I don't like him as a person. He despises other players. These habits of Virat Kohli must be changed. I don't like Jadeja either. Compared to them, Rohit Sharma and Rahane seem to be polite enough.

Looking at Virat Kohli's behavior, I think he is still young. In Kohli’s nature, more seriousness has to be brought. He is the captain of a big team like India. He should learn from Dhoni or Sachin. I don't think he will ever be able to have a personality like Dhoni.
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Although I am an Indian citizen, I was supporting New Zealand throughout this test match. Virat Kohli makes it hard for people like me to support the current Indian team. His celebration after the dismissal of Kane Williamson in the first innings is the perfect example. He was roaring and jumping like a monkey, as if his team has won the trophy. And the New Zealand captain is just the exact opposite. I still remember the words he said, after New Zealand was robbed of the 2019 ODI World Cup trophy. There is a reason why cricket is known as "gentleman's game". There is no place for intimidation or bullying in cricket.

Virat Kohli is very arrogant. He is a talented player. I like her playstyle very much. But I don't like him as a person. He despises other players. These habits of Virat Kohli must be changed. I don't like Jadeja either. Compared to them, Rohit Sharma and Rahane seem to be polite enough.
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Although I am an Indian citizen, I was supporting New Zealand throughout this test match. Virat Kohli makes it hard for people like me to support the current Indian team. His celebration after the dismissal of Kane Williamson in the first innings is the perfect example. He was roaring and jumping like a monkey, as if his team has won the trophy. And the New Zealand captain is just the exact opposite. I still remember the words he said, after New Zealand was robbed of the 2019 ODI World Cup trophy. There is a reason why cricket is known as "gentleman's game". There is no place for intimidation or bullying in cricket.
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BCCI needs to organize practice matches the condition in England is very different to the subcontinent. In my opinion, most Indian players were not at all serious about this WC.
Conditions were alone not the factors for India's defeat in WTC final. They conquered Australia in Australia few months back; how that become possible? I believe India need to work on finding young blood rather than keep giving out chances to experienced people (remember Rahane led India in Aus for last 3 test matches and they won 2 and draw 1).

1. India's both of openers were new and if remember correctly in their first 15 or 18 WTC matches they had different pair and I guess they might have replaced Gill with KL Rahul or Mayank Agarwal.

2. For an England match, 2 spinners are too much. M Siraj might have made impact if have got a chance.

3. Pujara and Rahane (Even Kohli) were form out as per their last 10 test matches (their unavailability/injury must be a the reason why India won Australia in Australia as young people got chances).
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As much as I hate to admit it, you're all right and it's not just India, it's probably the whole of South Asia (and I bet you if we get the Southeast to play as well they would do the same). These sports are excursions, they probably even eat and drink badly the night before if they don't get too early and do even more, not saying it's a stereotype but I know my own people:(
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Having said that BCCI need to figure out something because Indian team need at least 2 practice match before playing any red ball cricket in the England, otherwise we can't crack the English pitches.
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The BCCI and the Indian players simply refuse to play warm-up matches nowadays. Even this time, they treated the England tour as an excursion, and brought a large contingent with them including family members and friends. And reportedly they spent time on shopping rather than organizing warm-up matches. On the other hand, the New Zealand team prepared for the final for many months and even kept the test series against England just ahead of the WTC final. In the end the team that worked hard won the trophy, and the ones who were arrogant and casual got defeated.
Its our wishful thinking, although we all know that nothing is going to change. England series is next and i heard some report that Indian team already took 20ish day break from the cricket and there is no county match schedule for them before the ind vs eng series. There is zero accountability and its kinda weird that India failed to win any ICC trophy after 2013 Champions trophy, despite qualifying into 3 semis and 3 finals with stellar performance.  Kohli is turning Indian team into RCB, Chokers!!

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Having said that BCCI need to figure out something because Indian team need at least 2 practice match before playing any red ball cricket in the England, otherwise we can't crack the English pitches.
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The BCCI and the Indian players simply refuse to play warm-up matches nowadays. Even this time, they treated the England tour as an excursion, and brought a large contingent with them including family members and friends. And reportedly they spent time on shopping rather than organizing warm-up matches. On the other hand, the New Zealand team prepared for the final for many months and even kept the test series against England just ahead of the WTC final. In the end the team that worked hard won the trophy, and the ones who were arrogant and casual got defeated.

Unfortunately, this happens with most of the South Asian teams they treat England as a holiday event rather gaming event. BCCI needs to organize practice matches the condition in England is very different to the subcontinent. In my opinion, most Indian players were not at all serious about this WC.

NZ on the other hand was there and had adapted to the condition. They were very confident from the beginning itself.
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Having said that BCCI need to figure out something because Indian team need at least 2 practice match before playing any red ball cricket in the England, otherwise we can't crack the English pitches.
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The BCCI and the Indian players simply refuse to play warm-up matches nowadays. Even this time, they treated the England tour as an excursion, and brought a large contingent with them including family members and friends. And reportedly they spent time on shopping rather than organizing warm-up matches. On the other hand, the New Zealand team prepared for the final for many months and even kept the test series against England just ahead of the WTC final. In the end the team that worked hard won the trophy, and the ones who were arrogant and casual got defeated.
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Rain and bad light destroyed the excitement in first few days but finally the game was a bit exciting in last two days. I'm happy to see a winner of WTC final. There was much possibility to happen a draw but Indian batsman couldn't show their best performance today. Also, Indian bowler was unable to create much pressure on Kiwis batsman. They dropped some easy catches. Anyway, congrats to New Zealand team.

If India had managed to survive for another 10 overs or so, then they could have managed a draw. But some of their batsmen were really irresponsible. The way Pant, Ashwin and Shami got out to unwanted shots was shocking. While playing in bowler friendly conditions in the SENA nations, there is a need to show some patience. Also, you can't go after every ball, especially against world class pacers such as Boult, Southee, Jamieson and Wagner. I had high hopes for Rishabh Pant before this match. But now it looks like he can never fit himself in to the test side.
Indian batsman were unable to produce a decent total back to back two innings, even more their lower order literally have no contribution on the scoreboard. On other hand, The ICC Test Championship Winner New Zealand performed up to the mark, thus they are very suitable to this trophy. My congratulations goes to the BlackCaps win the World Test Championship 2021. Happy for Taylor and Kane!
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Rain and bad light destroyed the excitement in first few days but finally the game was a bit exciting in last two days. I'm happy to see a winner of WTC final. There was much possibility to happen a draw but Indian batsman couldn't show their best performance today. Also, Indian bowler was unable to create much pressure on Kiwis batsman. They dropped some easy catches. Anyway, congrats to New Zealand team.

If India had managed to survive for another 10 overs or so, then they could have managed a draw. But some of their batsmen were really irresponsible. The way Pant, Ashwin and Shami got out to unwanted shots was shocking. While playing in bowler friendly conditions in the SENA nations, there is a need to show some patience. Also, you can't go after every ball, especially against world class pacers such as Boult, Southee, Jamieson and Wagner. I had high hopes for Rishabh Pant before this match. But now it looks like he can never fit himself in to the test side.
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New Zealand are the champions!

The first ever trophy for them in an ICC global tournament. Test cricket is regarded as the toughest format and New Zealand should be proud of the fact that they managed to overcome the challenge from the Big 3 teams. And the three South African imports played a large role in this victory (BJ Watling, Devon Conway and Neil Wagner), so they should thank the South African quota system as well.


Congratulations to New Zealand on winning this first world test championship. They were very unfortunate to miss out on winning the 50 overs ODI world cup but this win today will heal their feelings. A big moment for them for sure. I am happy for the results.

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New Zealand deserve to be the champion, the play of New Zealand seems to be better compared to India. The team had got good co-operation. It is predicted that the match will end as a draw. As in the above quote, New Zealand have marked it's big win.
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New Zealand are the champions!

The first ever trophy for them in an ICC global tournament. Test cricket is regarded as the toughest format and New Zealand should be proud of the fact that they managed to overcome the challenge from the Big 3 teams. And the three South African imports played a large role in this victory (BJ Watling, Devon Conway and Neil Wagner), so they should thank the South African quota system as well.
 
They completely deserve this Trophy, they were quite unlucky in WC finals but nice guys do come first sometimes so very happy for the Kiwi team and for the nicest guy in the world cricket Williamson. Glad that we get to see the result finally, it was difficult as an indian fan but as a test cricket nerd it was exciting game to watch from start to end.

Our team played some exciting cricket throughout the WTC and showed amazing character when they won in Australia but this NZ team turning out to be kryptonite for the Indians in last 2 ICC tournament, they did same in WC semis and we have witnessed the same yesterday. As Indian fan it really hurt because Test Mace was with us for 5 consecutive years.

I won't make any excuse for this defeat as they outplayed us completely in all department and one more time our batsmen let us down when team needed some solid performance from the bat and damn opposition tail still scoring against us, first inning lead did made a big difference. Having said that BCCI need to figure out something because Indian team need at least 2 practice match before playing any red ball cricket in the England, otherwise we can't crack the English pitches.

Kohli is amazing batsman and he changed the Indian test team for good but fact is he's is panuti captain,  he lost 3 ICC tournament and ICC trophy matters because history remembers only winners, not runner up.

-Champions trophy final
-50 overs WC semis
-WTC finals

And now same thing is going to happen in upcoming T-20 WC.
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Rain and bad light destroyed the excitement in first few days but finally the game was a bit exciting in last two days. I'm happy to see a winner of WTC final. There was much possibility to happen a draw but Indian batsman couldn't show their best performance today. Also, Indian bowler was unable to create much pressure on Kiwis batsman. They dropped some easy catches. Anyway, congrats to New Zealand team.
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New Zealand are the champions!

The first ever trophy for them in an ICC global tournament. Test cricket is regarded as the toughest format and New Zealand should be proud of the fact that they managed to overcome the challenge from the Big 3 teams. And the three South African imports played a large role in this victory (BJ Watling, Devon Conway and Neil Wagner), so they should thank the South African quota system as well.


Congratulations to New Zealand on winning this first world test championship. They were very unfortunate to miss out on winning the 50 overs ODI world cup but this win today will heal their feelings. A big moment for them for sure. I am happy for the results.

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New Zealand are the inaugural World Test Champions!
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New Zealand are the champions!

The first ever trophy for them in an ICC global tournament. Test cricket is regarded as the toughest format and New Zealand should be proud of the fact that they managed to overcome the challenge from the Big 3 teams. And the three South African imports played a large role in this victory (BJ Watling, Devon Conway and Neil Wagner), so they should thank the South African quota system as well.

Isn't it unfair with the losing team, in this case the Indian team. If there were no reserve day, then this match would have been drawn.

What if there were two days lost in rain, should they extend the match to 7 days ?

I disagree. Almost three days of play was washed out (including entire days play on 1st and 4th days) and despite that New Zealand managed to win the test match, and thereby the first ever World Test Championship.
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I am not following this match because it is not shown anywhere in Pakistan. Too bad Sad

However i just checked the score on Cricinfo and found that we are in the sixth day of the test match  Shocked How can a test match be extended above 5 days ?
What changed here  Huh

The ICC wanted to make sure that they get a result from this test match (since it is the final of WTC). So they added one extra day as reserve, in case there is rain interruption. The reserve day kicks in only of there is a rain interruption. And they were proven right, as the first day was washed out. Now in all probability there will be a winner in this test match, and it looks increasingly likely that New Zealand will be crowned as the the first WTC champions. They need 74 more to win, with 8 wickets and 27 overs remaining.

Good decision by the ICC, as everyone would want a single winner for this final and would not want to share the title.  Smiley



Isn't it unfair with the losing team, in this case the Indian team. If there were no reserve day, then this match would have been drawn.

Any rules which are decided before the match is not unfair  Smiley
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Just to piss off who think Test cricket is all about Seam and Swing  Grin
Test cricket is about winning each sessions or it will end up like India loosing the final.

In SENA countries teams opt for 5 seam bowlers with no front line spinner or may be 1 spinner. Should India adopt opposite template when playing at home. I would love to see Jadeja-Ashwin-Sundar-Kuldeep-Axar +1 Seam bowling together non stop at Motera-Delhi-Chennai-Kolkatta to every world class batsmen.  Wink
India can create spin wickets and face opponents, that was done in the past where India only had quality spinners and for the first time we are having good quality fast bowlers, so it is better to have a balance, creating spin track alone i do not think our batsman will be able to perform in turning wickets.


New Zealand won the first ever WTC. They played really good cricket and they deserved the win.
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I am not following this match because it is not shown anywhere in Pakistan. Too bad Sad

However i just checked the score on Cricinfo and found that we are in the sixth day of the test match  Shocked How can a test match be extended above 5 days ?
What changed here  Huh

The ICC wanted to make sure that they get a result from this test match (since it is the final of WTC). So they added one extra day as reserve, in case there is rain interruption. The reserve day kicks in only of there is a rain interruption. And they were proven right, as the first day was washed out. Now in all probability there will be a winner in this test match, and it looks increasingly likely that New Zealand will be crowned as the the first WTC champions. They need 74 more to win, with 8 wickets and 27 overs remaining.

Isn't it unfair with the losing team, in this case the Indian team. If there were no reserve day, then this match would have been drawn.

What if there were two days lost in rain, should they extend the match to 7 days ?
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What a turn around, New Zealand needs 65 runs to win the first ever world Test championship and they have plenty of time to reach that score and they only lost two wickets and unless there is a delay in the match and New Zealand deserved to win the match even with weather interruptions as they played like champions throughout the match and they were able to check the Indian batsman to restrict for a low score.
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