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Topic: Texts exchanged by Binance CEO and Sam Bankman-Fried as FTX collapsed - page 2. (Read 437 times)

legendary
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With SBF and the FTX crash, I'm doing my best to completely ignore everything about it. But it seems, I randomly stumble across many published pieces like the above which are difficult to believe are real.


It is sometime very difficult to ignore some of these news because everyday more interesting events would be exposed. And the truth is that there are still more secrets to reveal.
It is the behavior of drowning men to always want to bring down others. Maybe SBF wanted to collapse the system because Zhao backed out of the agreement to bail FTX. I cannot vouch that Binance is trustworthy but I can perceive that this exchange company has a better management structure than most crypto related firms. But the truth still remans these centralized exchanges can never be trusted.           
legendary
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That's very much interesting to see people talking about Binance and if Zhao is trustworthy or not,

when it comes to contagion
binance seen a fault in FTX and sold its assets and escaped from the grief of FTX
(when you see a hole in a boat and know it will sink. grab your belongings and jump ship.. raise the alarm and hope everyone else can to)

yes binance whistleblew the fault and caused FTX to go on a bank run and then fell due to lack of funds(fault of FTX)

but i am less concerned about binance.. a single business..
and more concerned about the DCG that was sister to FTX and had many business links to FTX and lost alot due to FTX

coinbase(DCG family) has 65m customers
binance only has 25m customers

if you add up all the customers of DCG family businesses..
(couple dozen custodial exchanges)
its DCG that would cause massive damage to investors if DCG failed.

shame that so many people are avoiding talking about DCG


hero member
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Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
That's very much interesting to see people talking about Binance and if Zhao is trustworthy or not, and there is a link between the drama of FTX and starting these threads and the link is very much clear to me. People are thinking and afraid about what they saw in FTX because they know this can happen to Binance and there is not any difference between these two, so I'm not surprised if I see many people are not holding their assets on platforms like Binance anymore for staking or any kind of investing.
legendary
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one swap of $250k wont do damage as a single trade

but negative arbitrage that same $250k at a 0.1% loss per round means you can generate thousands of arbitrage rounds of millions in volume.

EG
1. $250k for 249,750sc
1. 249,750sc $249.5k
repeat thousand times
legendary
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The series of about a dozen group texts between Zhao and Bankman-Fried on Nov. 10, which were obtained by The New York Times, show that key crypto leaders feared that the situation could get even worse.

The day before the embattled cryptocurrency exchange FTX filed for bankruptcy, Changpeng Zhao, the chief executive of the rival exchange Binance, sent an alarmed text to Sam Bankman-Fried, FTX's founder.

Zhao was concerned that Bankman-Fried was orchestrating crypto trades that could send the industry into a meltdown. "Stop now, don't cause more damage," Zhao wrote in a group chat with Bankman-Fried and other crypto executives Nov. 10. "The more damage you do now, the more jail time."

FTX and its sister hedge fund, Alameda Research, had just collapsed after a run on deposits exposed an $8 billion hole in the exchange's accounts. The implosion unleashed a crypto crisis, as firms with ties to FTX teetered on the brink of bankruptcy, calling the future of the entire industry into question.

The series of about a dozen group texts between Zhao and Bankman-Fried on Nov. 10, which were obtained by The New York Times, show that key crypto leaders feared that the situation could get even worse. Their frantic communications offer a glimpse into how business is conducted behind the scenes in the industry, with at least three top officials from rival companies exchanging messages in a group on the encrypted messaging app Signal.

The texts also show that industry leaders were acutely aware that the actions of a single firm or fluctuations in the value of one virtual currency could destabilize the whole industry. The exchanges became increasingly tense as Bankman-Fried and Zhao traded barbs.

Earlier that week, Zhao had agreed to buy FTX and save the exchange, before backing out of the deal. In the Nov. 10 texts, he appeared certain that FTX would not survive, and concerned that it could bring the rest of the industry down with it. During a crypto crash in May, two coins had plunged in value, triggering an industrywide meltdown and forcing several prominent firms into bankruptcy.

In the Nov. 10 texts, Zhao specifically accused Bankman-Fried of using his hedge fund to drive down the price of Tether, a so-called stablecoin whose price is designed to remain at $1.

Tether, which is issued by a company with the same name, is a linchpin of crypto trading worldwide and is commonly used by digital asset enthusiasts to conduct transactions. Industry insiders have long feared that if Tether's price fell, it would cause a domino effect that might bring the industry to its knees. (Tether ultimately did not end up losing its $1 peg.)

A spokesperson for Binance declined to comment on the text exchanges. In a statement, Bankman-Fried, 30, said Zhao's claims were "absurd."

"Trades of that size would not make a material impact on Tether's pricing, and to my knowledge neither myself nor Alameda has ever attempted to intentionally depeg Tether or any other stablecoins," he said. "I have made a number of mistakes over the past year but this is not one of them."

A spokesperson for Tether said in a statement that the company had "demonstrated its resilience to attacks." She added that FTX's actions "don't reflect the ethos and commitment of an entire industry."

FTX, a marketplace where people could buy and sell digital currencies, collapsed early last month when customers rushed to withdraw deposits, partly in response to tweets by Zhao that called the company's finances into question. FTX soon folded, sparking investigations by the Justice Department and the Securities and Exchange Commission into whether the crypto exchange had broken the law by using its customers' funds to prop up Alameda.

The Justice Department is also investigating whether Bankman-Fried engaged in market manipulation in the spring by making trades that contributed to the failure of two prominent cryptocurrencies.

For years, critics of the crypto industry have said that Tether could also be vulnerable to a collapse. Tether has long claimed its stablecoins are backed by cash and other traditional assets, and that in a crisis, all its customers could redeem their coins for the equivalent amount in dollars. But regulators have previously accused Tether of lying about the status of its reserves, sowing doubts about the coin's reliability.

In one of the Nov. 10 messages to the group chat, Zhao pointed out a $250,000 trade by Alameda that he said was designed to destabilize Tether. The trade was visible on the blockchain, a public ledger of cryptocurrency transactions that anyone can view.

In response to Zhao's accusations, Bankman-Fried seemed nonplused. "Huh?" he said. "What am I doing to stablecoins?"

"Are you claiming that you think that $250k of USDT trading would depeg it?" he added, using a common shorthand to refer to the Tether currency.

Zhao responded that he didn't think a trade of that size would succeed in destroying Tether, but that it could still cause problems.

"My honest advice: stop doing everything," Zhao said. "Put on a suit, and go back to DC, and start to answer questions."

"Thanks for the advice!" Bankman-Fried shot back.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/technology/inside-the-frantic-texts-exchanged-by-binance-ceo-and-sam-bankman-fried-as-ftx-collapsed/articleshow/96104947.cms


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I don't know what to think about this.

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The day before the embattled cryptocurrency exchange FTX filed for bankruptcy, Changpeng Zhao, the chief executive of the rival exchange Binance, sent an alarmed text to Sam Bankman-Fried, FTX's founder.

Zhao was concerned that Bankman-Fried was orchestrating crypto trades that could send the industry into a meltdown. "Stop now, don't cause more damage," Zhao wrote in a group chat with Bankman-Fried and other crypto executives Nov. 10. "The more damage you do now, the more jail time."

Supposedly, the above text exchange between SBF and Changpeng Zhao of binance, was collected and published by the new york times.

When COVID hit, I read hundreds, if not thousands, of different articles and watched what documentaries I could find published on the topic. To try to get a better idea of what was happening.

With SBF and the FTX crash, I'm doing my best to completely ignore everything about it. But it seems, I randomly stumble across many published pieces like the above which are difficult to believe are real.
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