The 150 year old maths and logic theory on the best period to make money:

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Yeah, totally legit..I mean
1945 was the year a panic occurred, case well...the war ended
1942 was the best time to buy, if you were sure you're not going to die tomorrow in the same war mentioned above
and miraculously the same 1945 was the time to sell stock...
There was also a great depression, but somehow it spans over both cycles, 1931 in the middle of it was "good years" lol

Also nice that you had to buy stocks in 96, because of low prices, just with the 1997 asian crisis wiping eveything Grin

Quote from: tread93 on January 28, 2024, 01:40:17 AM

It's quite curious, curious as to how on earth they managed to predict with such accuracy.

First it's not accurate at all.
Second it's a based on crop prices back a century ago when those things were really experiencing cycles but for completely different reasons than what the stock market is influenced right now.

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Quote from: Wexnident on January 29, 2024, 06:46:34 PM

Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on January 20, 2024, 07:07:56 PM

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I highly doubt someone could've predicted the covid pandemic more than a century ago. It doesn't matter that it coincided with the chart you posted OP, math and logic can't actually predict situations like the pandemic unless ofc math and logic back in the days were somehow able to figure out that someone in China would've started getting infected by covid by that year.

I can only see this as nothing more than a coincidence really, if it actually was even a bit accurate. If doing patterns and theories was enough to predict the future, mathematicians would've probably lorded the world by now.

It is an interesting read but that is all, traders cannot even predict what the price of a stock will be during the next hour, so to think that the best moment to buy and sell could be predicted in advance by decades or even hundreds of years in advance is a mistake, besides I do not trust anything that is posted in social media, since once a person begins to investigate a little bit, most of the information that you can find there can be proven to be false or an exaggeration.

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Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on January 20, 2024, 07:07:56 PM

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I highly doubt someone could've predicted the covid pandemic more than a century ago. It doesn't matter that it coincided with the chart you posted OP, math and logic can't actually predict situations like the pandemic unless ofc math and logic back in the days were somehow able to figure out that someone in China would've started getting infected by covid by that year.

I can only see this as nothing more than a coincidence really, if it actually was even a bit accurate. If doing patterns and theories was enough to predict the future, mathematicians would've probably lorded the world by now.

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It would be much easier to jump on the bandwagon and shriek with glee as the secret to knowing the best years to make money is now known. But the reality is no maths nor logic theory could ever predict the good times and the bad in our ever changing and evolving world.
Nothing really fascinating about this theory tbh. And the economies of the earth pretty much dances to the tunes of supply and demand which in turn could be influenced by man made factors. This theory is just that; a theory. It’s the reality of life that there are going to be ups and downs, good times and bad ones. No predictions needed to tell me that.

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Quote from: dansus021 on January 26, 2024, 10:48:33 PM

Quote from: Darker45 on January 20, 2024, 10:40:42 PM

In what way does it look legit?

In the Bitcoin market, for example, 2016 was certainly not a time for selling. Selling should be done the following year. And I think panic didn't happen in 2019. The big panic happened in 2022 when the price fell from almost $50,000 all the way to $16,000.

I don't know, but for me, this is nothing really.

Because its old and look at the timeline bro the crash happened covid hit 2019 too its not panic but basically it covid started in 2019 Covid-19(Corona Virus 2019). So it looks legit just like Nostradamus prophecies anyway.

It could be coincidence but there is lot of coincidence in this world bro just like the Simpson was.

I do believe it just for fun

Not all old are legit or can be trusted already, most especially if they don't have a proof. Same goes to those old people who gives advices which came from their ancestors and other old people. It can be risky following it, most especially if it's related to health. When the Covid-19 hit, many businesses have actually boomed. Cryptocurrency market are lucky to share the same faith. Many people are surprised about it. Other than co-incidence I would say that there are lots of viruses in the world and they can come out from time to time. So I don't find it really surprising if the Simpsons and other personalities predicted it will happen.

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It's quite curious, curious as to how on earth they managed to predict with such accuracy. Maybe this is why Tesla always conducted everything he did in 369 patterns. He was obsessed wth that, maybe that is just the natural vibrational changes that occur during every three years? Who knows, but this is completely wild, I am saving this card. Guess we will definitely want to hold on for dear life! This chart basically says HODL your BTC until 2035 and then unload!

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Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on January 27, 2024, 06:28:15 AM

I believe most things happening just like the rise of a new world order coming in the form of BRICS countries was afore planned and is only taking effect since all the initial process of achieving such a great feat has been carefully considered and theorized.

If the direction was that they would join forces and use all their power and influence to stop the growth of digital means of exchange that would be extraordinary. But it's not as easy as turning the palm of my friend's hand, the process is long.

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Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on January 21, 2024, 11:43:57 AM

The 3 6 9 in triangle after 2023 is the 'prosperity phase.' It is the zone known and indicated by a period of rising prices and economic expansion and a good time to buy assets.
BTC is one good asset still making a wave for investors right now mostly as the ETF approval was good and the halving still warming up. We see the rising prices and the best strategy that favors the poor with an interest in BTC is to buy the dip and HoDL. Or better put, accumulate.

I see now so the triangle is like the cycle we need to buy or sell

Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on January 21, 2024, 11:43:57 AM

Also as regards any other noteworthy investment, it's better to buy now and nurture it, because according to this old picture I came across, this is a period of economic expansion as we await the bull run and other profits sometime before the end of 2026.

Hahahha yeah with or without the paper we all need to buy bitcoin right now before it touches the new All Time High that might happen in early 2025. So Keep buying guys keep stack em.

Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on January 27, 2024, 06:28:15 AM

I believe most things happening just like the rise of a new world order coming in the form of BRICS countries was afore planned and is only taking effect since all the initial process of achieving such a great feat has been carefully considered and theorized.

There is also a thread that discusses about current BRIC and currently, there is the possibility that other countries can dethrone the US Dollar. But even tho there is the New World Order or some elite planning this we cant do anything.

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I’ve seen this chart pop up several times over the years. It’s incredible that it is still somewhat relevant. It seems to closely follow Bitcoin four yearly cycles. By that reckoning we should see a bullish 2024 & 2025, before seeing a downturn in the following couple of years. Obviously you should never rely on one chart but this is still definitely worth watching, along with other research.

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Quote from: dansus021 on January 26, 2024, 10:48:33 PM

Quote from: Darker45 on January 20, 2024, 10:40:42 PM

In what way does it look legit?

In the Bitcoin market, for example, 2016 was certainly not a time for selling. Selling should be done the following year. And I think panic didn't happen in 2019. The big panic happened in 2022 when the price fell from almost $50,000 all the way to $16,000.

I don't know, but for me, this is nothing really.

Because its old and look at the timeline bro the crash happened covid hit 2019 too its not panic but basically it covid started in 2019 Covid-19(Corona Virus 2019). So it looks legit just like Nostradamus prophecies anyway.

It could be coincidence but there is lot of coincidence in this world bro just like the Simpson was.

I do believe it just for fun

To believe just for fun could bear same detrimental effect as not believing at all. Well, I wouldn't say I took everything hook , line and sinker because I am still a student of such mathematical theory and would refer to it once I can find a linking evidence of the truth in the 150 year old publication.
For now, it's just for reading and anyone who feels compelled to comment should. Better still, make your own analysis and find the truth for yourself.

I believe most things happening just like the rise of a new world order coming in the form of BRICS countries was afore planned and is only taking effect since all the initial process of achieving such a great feat has been carefully considered and theorized.

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Quote from: Darker45 on January 20, 2024, 10:40:42 PM

In what way does it look legit?

In the Bitcoin market, for example, 2016 was certainly not a time for selling. Selling should be done the following year. And I think panic didn't happen in 2019. The big panic happened in 2022 when the price fell from almost $50,000 all the way to $16,000.

I don't know, but for me, this is nothing really.

Because its old and look at the timeline bro the crash happened covid hit 2019 too its not panic but basically it covid started in 2019 Covid-19(Corona Virus 2019). So it looks legit just like Nostradamus prophecies anyway.

It could be coincidence but there is lot of coincidence in this world bro just like the Simpson was.

I do believe it just for fun

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i really appreciate this theory, but it's just a theory, if you want to believe it, go ahead, if not, that's fine. but i myself don't believe it as a reference that can be used, because of the lack of scientific evidence behind it.

events in the real world could be different as predicted by this theory due to various factors that make it difficult to predict just by theory alone. even the prediction systems developed by humans today with various theories and computer intelligence are still very difficult to predict future conditions, let alone just theoretical mathematical calculations like this.

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Well, the old saying is actually being proven here, "What goes UP, must go DOWN." The stock markets work on the principle that you buy something at a low price and then sell at a high price and then you wait for this cycle to repeat and you repeat this strategy.

This cycle might be based on weather patterns (El Nino) or even trend cycles or it is just being manipulated. If this long-term graph is legit, then manipulation might be a factor.

Thank you for this article, it might become one of my long term strategies. 😁👌

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Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on January 20, 2024, 07:07:56 PM

I came across an article on LinkedIn some time back and I was fascinated by the chart and image shown to butress the point of the best period when you make money.
There used to be an old saying that goes, 'if you want to hide something from a man, hide it in a book,' as such, I wonder how many wealthy people out there who have had similar knowledge and have invested according to the knowledge and really made good profit, so much so that they stick to such knowledge without sharing.

If I were to raise an argument, I would say that this fascinating 150year old maths and logic theory was put into consideration before the development of the decentralized network and crypto currency and stock market.
Infact, it is because developers understood this pattern and the knowledge was put into use during trading or HoDling or investing in Bitcoin and stocks, that many made the most money from their investment and ultimately became millionaires till date.

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What do you think?

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/linasbeliunas_this-analysis-is-insanely-accurate-published-activity-7147964883911839745-phDp?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_android

We know that markets are cyclical, so good times will be followed by bad times, which will be followed by good times and so forth, however it is a mistake to think those cycles can be predicted decades or even hundreds of years in advance, then there are two explanations for this, this is either a forgery or so many predictions have been made over the years that one was bound to be right and this is what we are seeing here.

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Quote from: davis196 on January 23, 2024, 07:20:02 AM

Do you really believe that the guy, who created this "infograph" 150 years ago can successfully predict what will happen to the global economy in 2035 or 2053? Even "math and logic" can't predict everything. All this sounds like nonsense to me. This guy tried to prove by using math and logic, that the stock markets are cyclic. 150 years ago, the Federal Reserve didn't exist. Nowadays, the Federal Reserve has a major influence over all financial markets. Did this guy predict the creation of the Federal Reserve?
What mathematical equations did he use, in order to prove his theory? I'm not a math guy, so I can't tell whether his theory is legit or a total BS. It seems more like BS to me.

I do agree that we shouldn't completely believe this theory, but if the data is true, and the pattern is actually repeated it will be more like technical analysis of an investment market. The this kind of theory just like a technical analysis of a market is not a 100% true prediction but because there are repetition of pattern, people conduct a study, and then form a theory, examine it, review by peers and then agreed by a group of people that there is a repetition of pattern and it can be used to make an educated guess.

But I do have same concern that the theory might need to be re-examine because it has been 150 years and a lot has happened financial world is also evolving.

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Quote from: davis196 on January 23, 2024, 07:20:02 AM

Do you really believe that the guy, who created this "infograph" 150 years ago can successfully predict what will happen to the global economy in 2035 or 2053? Even "math and logic" can't predict everything. All this sounds like nonsense to me. This guy tried to prove by using math and logic, that the stock markets are cyclic. 150 years ago, the Federal Reserve didn't exist. Nowadays, the Federal Reserve has a major influence over all financial markets. Did this guy predict the creation of the Federal Reserve?
What mathematical equations did he use, in order to prove his theory? I'm not a math guy, so I can't tell whether his theory is legit or a total BS. It seems more like BS to me.

Of course not, but some logical parts stands still because when he made it, he looked past thousands of years, and it was similar, so he assumed it would be similar for thousands of years as well. Even though humanity rapidly grew in the last hundred years so some things has changed, there are some things that stayed the same as well.

I hope that we could consider the situation changing a bit and we could end up with something that would profit on the long term. I know that it is not going to be all that easy, but it should be understandable and similar when you check certain parts of the graphic. Don't tell me that you haven't seen anything that is similar in your life time that exists on that chart, I have seen plenty similarities.

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if that calculation is true then its gonna be awesome but we all know that the market itself relying purely on supply and demand added with some flavour of manipulation for some altcoin but everyone here also roughly predict that the bullrun will come in 2024 anyway maybe Q2 if not Q4 recently there are pullback for bitcoin which give people that are too late to the party to buy some coin and accumulate before the bullrun truly begins but even then there's no guarantee that the bullrun is gonna be coming thats the thing with investment everything is so uncertain even if there is some calculation like this it doesn't mean that it will become a fact and it is a speculation at best.
I personally would still try to rely on my instinct to predict the future of the market although it will definitely have some flaw and not entirely depend on the calculation by depending on past history since in the future it might differ remember the market always dynamically changing.

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Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on January 20, 2024, 07:07:56 PM

I came across an article on LinkedIn some time back and I was fascinated by the chart and image shown to butress the point of the best period when you make money.
There used to be an old saying that goes, 'if you want to hide something from a man, hide it in a book,' as such, I wonder how many wealthy people out there who have had similar knowledge and have invested according to the knowledge and really made good profit, so much so that they stick to such knowledge without sharing.

If I were to raise an argument, I would say that this fascinating 150year old maths and logic theory was put into consideration before the development of the decentralized network and crypto currency and stock market.
Infact, it is because developers understood this pattern and the knowledge was put into use during trading or HoDling or investing in Bitcoin and stocks, that many made the most money from their investment and ultimately became millionaires till date.

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This analysis is insanely accurate! Published in 1875 by Samuel Benner, it identifies years of panic as well as periods when to make money

The 150-year-old Benner Cyde has predicted almost all major crises since the mid-1920s. It accurately foresaw the Great Depression, WW2. the Dot Com bubble, and the recent COVID crash.

The Benner Cycle quite accurately predicted how the markets will perform in 2023 as well. We haven't seen a dramatic crash but

-Major stock indices like the 5&P 500 did experience a dedine in 2023 ending the year around 5% lower than its 2022 peak

-The global economy faced tough challenges with factors like inflation, rising interest rates, and the ongoing wars around the world contributing to economic uncertainty.

Looking ahead, the Benner Cycle suggests that 2024 might be a year of gradual recovery, entering the "Prosperity Phase". This zone indicates a period of rising prices and economic expansion and a good time to buy assets.

Fascinating 150-year-old math and logic.

You need to get over the idea that these sort of things are fixed in any way, you've not stumbled across some sort of miracle strategy. It would make more sense to look at what has happened the last 3, 5 or even 15 years to judge how things will pan out in the future. Comparing the current economy against the 1920's is incredibly stupid. The advent of television, phones and now the internet have revolutionized how information can be shared across the whole planet in seconds. It has condensed the boom and bust cycle if anything, because people are erratic and nervous creatures when many unexplained things are happening - that applies to what they do with their money as well when drastic events come along (look at Covid).

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Attributing the book's seeming accuracy solely to chance feels dismissive. Historical analysis often reveals patterns and recurring themes. Perhaps the author, through keen observation and critical thinking, identified these patterns and extrapolated them into a possible future, one that eerily mirrors our present reality.

Even if the book doesn't offer definitive predictions, its value lies in its potential to serve as a cautionary tale or a roadmap for navigating an uncertain future. By recognizing historical echoes in current events, we can gain valuable insights into potential pitfalls and opportunities. Beside, we often find comfort in familiarity and resist acknowledging potentially disruptive truths. This cognitive bias can hinder our ability to prepare for and address impending challenges.

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and they are releasing such data?
they had this all along back in 1930 and only this time that they released it to the public, this has got to be the cruel world for those old folks.
and for the new generation who are going to struggle in the coming years because of the inflation we have today where investing is not possible.

one would rather believe in what is happening based on the economic charts and which business works than this old paper.

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