Topic: The American Dream. What is Your Country's Version of it? - page 3. (Read 397 times)

I would guess that retirement must be it. I understand that may look weird, but most people would like to retire as early as possible here. There are people who must work even after 80+ years old because they failed to get ready for their old age, and that's a fear, so it is not a dream to retire early, but a nightmare to not be able to retire.

If it is possible, we would like to work as much as possible, like 2-3 jobs if we must, just to make sure we can retire. Also going to another nation instead of staying here is a bit our dream lol, yes it sounds weird but that's the reality, people would rather live in Europe or USA or Canada instead of keep living here, that's the dream we could say is the biggest in my nation.

My relative immigrated to America; he was chasing the American dream. Then it meant to have prosperity—a house not rented but your own, a profitable business with a total cost of a million bucks. All this beautiful life and the promises that, after receiving a residence permit, your life will change for the better turned out to be empty words. Now the American dream is a quiet life without all sorts of incidents, a more or less stable income, far from six figures at all, and health, which is very expensive to maintain in America.
Living in another place, in our homeland, we understand that we have everything that those naive people in America are chasing—maybe not with six zeros, but certainly our own.

USA population is 330 million but the USA is not occupying all the land in the American continents, which btw are less than 30% of all land, Americas means also Venezuela and Haiti and there the dream is having food next day.
And land, the whole thing is stupid Russia has plenty of land and look where it is, the Netherlands has 20 times the density of Sweden or Sudan , do you see the later catching up? Too much land might be a curse rather than a blessing.


Thing that would have never happened to someone living in the US.
And trust me as a fellow eastern European, I would take student debt and expensive healthcare anytime over the corruption that has plagued us for decades and probably it will plague you for two or three after the war is over too. You have free healthcare but how good it is? How much do you actually have to pay the doctor and nurses for everything in a hospital? How much do you have to pay to have a good doctor take care of you and skip a few months for an operation? Been there, done that, I won't regret it one second!


Unemployment is going down in the USA, inflation is going down, there is no recession, famine just lol, famine in the largest producer of food in the world, lmao, hight interst rates at 5%, go to Iran or Argentina and count the digitis, war? On US soil?

Before even thinking of such things, look at the millions that risk their lives to go there and to flee to Europe, then ask yourself why is nobody trying to go ot othe countries that claim to not have problems?

I have an the same  opini with you . where to become the country of the American dream is very difficult in my country too, if nepotism is very thick not to mention corruption everywhere, even for more broken legal problems where there is money will have less/lighter prison time than people who don't have money

I'm sure there is a standard answer to this, but given that we all live in a different country and are experiencing different environment and economic state I'd say we all have different American dreams.

As for me, and probably most of the people in my country, it is being able to land a stable job which will then allow me to have a great house, a car, savings, luxury stuff, and help my extended family. It is being able to trave the world and not worry about how I'm gonna have to pay for all the expenses I have.

I'm stateless, have no country... not of this World but of another. I belong to a Nation, or perhaps an existence that is everywhere but nowhere.

In my World or Nation, our needs are guranteed as long as our Shield remains strong. To have a strong shield is to obey the laws and do the Will of our CREATOR. Then you are well covered and nourished like mother hen covers and feeds her children.

I've never believed in the American dream, I wouldn't want to live in that country or in a country that strives to be similar to it. But I think it used to be pretty common for people in my country to have this dream or a dream of something similar because our country isn't good at social mobility or at encouraging business. But we also don't have student debt or overly expensive healthcare, so there's that.
To be honest, my country's situation is kind of special right now because it's Ukraine, and we are at war with a much bigger country. So in my country, the Ukrainian dream is to get our territory back (the areas Russia occupied), to finally be free to grow and develop without Russia's opinion meaning anything, to overcome corruption, and to have peace (but only on our terms). The economy isn't a priority right now, for obvious reasons.

I think in here, our 'American Dream' is different for each generation, for the generation before me, the dream was to get a stable income and work for the government, Civil Servant, Police, Army, something like that, because on their era, the industry is not yet developed so working for government would be the safest thing to do. For my generation the dream was to become an entrepreneur running our own company, helping employee, become 'the boss', it also closely related to fact that the industry is starting to developed, we thing we can make our own way there. While for generation after me, they have more varied dreams, most of the industry is already established people have more buying power. Now they can become musician, artist, modern farmer, designer, anything because people already have the money to buy a secondary thing like entertainment, hobby etc. Previously even we are struggle to meet our daily needs.

dreams are not reality
the pursuit of.. [anything] is the chase, not the capture
america advertises something that is basically chase after something thats not reality

liberty is the open gates, until you see ICE agents and border police

capitalism pretends to be opportunity but forgets to remind you that its opportunity for those at the top to funnel funds from the bottom. it pretends to offer those at the bottom, but its actually a tool for the top

many many countries have had female leaders hundreds of years ago
(UK queen elizabeth the first, queen victoria) (UK prime minister Margaret thatcher)
(iceland president  Vigdís Finnbogadóttir)
(sri lanka president Sirimavo Bandaranaike)
(agentina president Isabel Perón)
(pakistan president Benazir Bhutto)
the list goes on and on

but america has not ever had a female president yet wants to pretend to be equal rights.. oops buzzword "equity"
shame that then a bunch of men tell women they cant make decisions over their own wombs content

The "American Dream" that we know today is completely at risk. Everything that we do from this point on as a country (speaking of the US) is crucial to the preservation of this dream. The American dream used to basically consist of an independent life in a free country, someone who was able to secure some land and a house, and build an established business and income stream to provide for ones family. To be a success. Maybe have a farm, or a successful practice which one can do as he pleases, without having to rely on anyone else to make ends meat. It saddens me today when you look at the state of the US and how bizarre everything is now. People struggle all over the world to get a house, it is an extremely hard endeavor today in today's market with the rates where they are and inflation where it is. I hope that America can continue to be a beacon for freedom, and that the American Dream can be preserved! In its own right, a dream shouldn't even have to be an american dream, this is just your dream. What do you want? What are you willing to sacrifice (time, money, hardwork, etc.) to make that dream happen? I think that is whats most important, simply having a dream of your own and having the courage to see it through! Good luck everyone!

I will give a small example of a past story where I faced a lot of difficulties on my academic journey, from economic problems, unsatisfactory health, and some not so smooth. But honestly, life is about facing and moving forward to overcome current difficulties for a better future, and OP's problem is on a larger scale as far as I know. That term is synonymous with ideas such as freedom, opportunity, and equality. And I understand that under the difficult circumstances in recent years, things are not going in a good direction, but it is clear that the broader and more distant process, the current achievements are not the things we feel anxious about, instead try to get through it together.



As mentioned above, freedom, opportunity and equality are what I believe any country is aiming for. And of course in the country where I live, our leader also had these views to develop the country through the stages, I am not in a country that is too modern in other respects. But what I see most clearly is our solidarity, after economic difficulties, or epidemics, the spirit of solidarity is always mentioned, perhaps that is the part that I think will towards dreams of a better life.

Having a stable job, owned house and car are probably the American dream version of my country. Even I at some point of my life, have a goal to have a stable job even if it's just a little bit above the minimum wage. My country is a 3rd world country so standard here for having a good life is very simple as I mention above.

Those standar will just adjust based on the area someone lives since some people preferred condominium house when they grow on urbanized area while those people that grow on rural area wants their small house even if it's just small.

It is definitely not hard, with vast land, America still have a big room to grow. Because the population is just 300m, and the America land occupy 1/3 of the total earth surface area, that is lavish to everyone! But why land? Is land really matter? Of course land is the only real wealth that is natural, but idk why would capitalist like to create artificial wealth such as intangible stock, paper asset, intellectual property etc, they are all clearly wealth destroyer, yet they would not stop lying over and over again. When you look again how the rest of the continent and compare it to America, we have to compete with the rest of the 2/3 real estate on the earth surface area, which is highly competitive tbh.

There isn't dream in anywhere else because most of the natural wealth have been completely monopolized by a few very influential families.

The core essence  of American dream is providing equal opportunities for every citizen irrespective of their religion, race, color or back ground.This idealistic vision has been adopted by politicians in almost every country, including my own, as a rallying cry during election campaigns. however, the harsh reality is that, nepotism pervades is spread in every sector of economy favoring connections over merit and qualifications.

Even within United States the American dream is subject to criticism due to widening gap between rich and poor.

My country doesn't have a version of the American dream. Maybe my country's deviated version of the American dream would be to have a rich relative and use his connections and influence to help me get a good job and climb the social ladder. This is nepotism/crony capitalism basically. Unfortunately nepotism is more cherished than hard work where I live. USA isn't what it used to be. The amount of immigrants doing to America trying to chase the American dream is decreasing every year. USA is turning slowly into a shithole and that was pretty much expected.

It's still achievable and worth a lot for believer of American Dream. For example, in America women could easily do their jobs but in many countries where women are restricted in homes only. Not targeting any race but still many people of backward mindset still exist. So, for those women American Dream is a thing because those who wanted to become a Doctor, Engineer, etc. could fulfil their dreams in America.

That's what American Dream mean, the land where dream comes true when you put hard work. Hardwork is the most necessary thing, if one is not willing to make efforts and still will think that he/she will fulfill their dreams in America then America is not some fairytale world. It's just a country where opportunities are available and if not then could be created.  

I always wanted to earn money, Passive source of money, but i have seen many people going to UK Canada but not a single one in my relative or friend zone has ever gone to US. So, i cannot say that life is hard there but i can say one thing for sure UK and Canada's life is not easy. Many people are sleeping on the roads (talking about immigrants). I do not want to leave my country, because my dreams could be fulfilled remotely  

The above is a quote from the George Bush Institute of the typical response an individual would receive when they ask someone about what the American dream is. And this is the truth, the American dream includes the component of upward economic mobility. So many successful people in the United States of America would agree that they have achieved the American dream and those who are not yet there would agree that they are in the process of achieving or reaching the American dream.

With a high unemployment rate, housing crises, increasing student debts, inflation, recession, wars, famine, high interest rates and all those factors that affect the economic mobility of many families both in America and all over the world threatening to wipe out the middle class, would we still say that  the American Dream exist? Is it still achieveable or attainable?

Secondly every country in the world has some version of their American dream, if your country does, what is its version of the American dream and does it still exist? Is it still achieveable or attainable?