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https://cryoniks.com

Obvious scam is obvious. Don't preorder these.

May I see your evidence of a scam? Hopefully you're not actually trying to claim that concept art is a scam. I think what you meant to say was, "This might be a scam". Because if something is obviously a scam, than you would have some evidence to back up your claims.

Interestingly enough, these links that were posted that some of you are believing to be credible are claiming ButterflyLabs is legit as so many people on here are misusing the word "scam" toward them as well.

The website in question is only a scam when they don't deliver. The problem is, their claims are against the laws of phyics, so you call them liars, and if they're accepting funds in exchange for it, you can safely assume they are defacto scammers until proven otherwise.

That said, there is absolutely no chance of getting users of this forum to learn English and use the words "cheat", "lie", "steal", "deceive", "fail" or "mislead". They just love making up definitions so much and bundling them all into words that don't fit so that it gives a better impact for their libel campaigns. Oh the joys of anonymity.

"KFC is a SCAM because they forgot my chicken wing!"
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https://cryoniks.com

Obvious scam is obvious. Don't preorder these.

May I see your evidence of a scam? Hopefully you're not actually trying to claim that concept art is a scam. I think what you meant to say was, "This might be a scam". Because if something is obviously a scam, than you would have some evidence to back up your claims.

Interestingly enough, these links that were posted that some of you are believing to be credible are claiming ButterflyLabs is legit as so many people on here are misusing the word "scam" toward them as well.
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The people from Cryonik have posted a pretty lengthy post on reddit:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1ez8br/cryoniks_inc_lets_talk_frostbittm/

Oh wow, there is an interessting comment:

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This is a scam, /u/CryoniksInc should be tagged as a scammer and shadowbanned. This is a known scam, people have already lost tens of thousands of dollars and the authorities are already involved. But seriously, guys:
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we use a custom-modified Stirling Generator that uses Helium Compression Technology to super-cool a custom-designed condenser...
A fool and his money are soon parted, I suppose. Don't give these guys a dime. Ed Trice has been investigated for embezzlement and lost a $2M lawsuit for being a scammer a couple years back. Delaware detectives are currently searching for Ed Trice. Don't go near this scam "company".

But are they the same?

Sounds like it is probably the same, I've never seen any other companies claim to have such a cooling device.

We need some proof that Trice is part of this, Ill dig around today and see what I can find out. I'm waiting for a DNS change so I have some time on my hands until it propegates  Grin
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fyi niks is dutch for nothing, funny guyes  cryoniks


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The people from Cryonik have posted a pretty lengthy post on reddit:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1ez8br/cryoniks_inc_lets_talk_frostbittm/

Oh wow, there is an interessting comment:

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This is a scam, /u/CryoniksInc should be tagged as a scammer and shadowbanned. This is a known scam, people have already lost tens of thousands of dollars and the authorities are already involved. But seriously, guys:
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we use a custom-modified Stirling Generator that uses Helium Compression Technology to super-cool a custom-designed condenser...
A fool and his money are soon parted, I suppose. Don't give these guys a dime. Ed Trice has been investigated for embezzlement and lost a $2M lawsuit for being a scammer a couple years back. Delaware detectives are currently searching for Ed Trice. Don't go near this scam "company".

But are they the same?
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Also, the website lists certain trademarks. A search of the USPTO.gov database returns NO results for Cryoniks or Frostbit. They are illegally using the TM designation after their good designations.

It isn't illegal to use them I think, it just means wherever they appear on their logos and such have zero merit.

Correct. Poor word choice on my part.

TM is just trademark, and it requires no registration. ® requires registration and is illegal to claim unless registered.
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The people from Cryonik have posted a pretty lengthy post on reddit:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1ez8br/cryoniks_inc_lets_talk_frostbittm/
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Also, the website lists certain trademarks. A search of the USPTO.gov database returns NO results for Cryoniks or Frostbit. They are illegally using the TM designation after their good designations.

It isn't illegal to use them I think, it just means wherever they appear on their logos and such have zero merit.

Correct. Poor word choice on my part.
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Also, the website lists certain trademarks. A search of the USPTO.gov database returns NO results for Cryoniks or Frostbit. They are illegally using the TM designation after their good designations.

It isn't illegal to use them I think, it just means wherever they appear on their logos and such have zero merit.
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Also, the website lists certain trademarks. A search of the USPTO.gov database returns NO results for Cryoniks or Frostbit. They are illegally using the TM designation after their good designations.
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I have family in that city.  I just might have my brother in law pay him a surprise visit.

I'd pay for gas and lunch for some video evidence. 

I believe this is the man who filed the documents.

www.linkedin.com/in/randysafford
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I wonder if they have a Million GH/s super Rig in the works?
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I have family in that city.  I just might have my brother in law pay him a surprise visit.

That'd be awesome... let us know how it goes.
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Amateur sleuthing in Michigan's LARA database turned up
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Searched for: CRYONIKS, INC.

ID Num: 05133X

    
Entity Name: CRYONIKS, INC.

Type of Entity: Domestic Profit Corporation
Resident Agent: RALPH R SAFFORD

Registered Office Address: 40900 WOODWARD AVE STE 275  BLOOMFIELD HILLS   MI  48304
Mailing Address:   MI

Formed Under Act Number(s): 284-1972          

Incorporation/Qualification Date: 4-16-2013

Jurisdiction of Origin: MICHIGAN

Number of Shares: 60,000

Year of Most Recent Annual Report:

Year of Most Recent Annual Report With Officers & Directors:

Status: ACTIVE   Date: Present

http://www.dleg.state.mi.us/bcs_corp/dt_corp.asp?id_nbr=05133X&name_entity=CRYONIKS,%20INC.

The Articles of Incorporation are also available for viewing - nothing interesting just the same registered agent name.

Someone else can take it from here


I have family in that city.  I just might have my brother in law pay him a surprise visit.

Totally should do that  Grin Grin



Another thing I found that is kinda weird-

   Domain Privacy Service
   1958 South 950 East
   Provo, Utah 84606
   United States
   Phone: +1.8017659400
   Fax..:
   Email: [email protected]
   Last modified: 2012-10-18 18:12:21 GMT
Status: Locked
Domain servers in listed order:
   NS1.MYBITWIZE.COM
   NS2.MYBITWIZE.COM

Correct me if I am mistaken, but it seems Bitwize made the Cryoniks site and hosts it....their DNS points to Bitwize name servers

If you look at their facebook page, only one of their posts has a like, and its by some guy in Lebanon. So maybe they did buy a site from them?

Also, if you look through their privacy policy, you'll find a link to a user agreement, which lists the following contact info:

Cryoniks, Inc.
40900 Woodward, Ste. 275
Bloomfield Hills, MI  48304
Attn: Safford & Baker, PLLC

Which confirms the LARA registration and actually seems to be a real law firm: http://www.saffordbaker.com/
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Amateur sleuthing in Michigan's LARA database turned up
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Searched for: CRYONIKS, INC.

ID Num: 05133X

    
Entity Name: CRYONIKS, INC.

Type of Entity: Domestic Profit Corporation
Resident Agent: RALPH R SAFFORD

Registered Office Address: 40900 WOODWARD AVE STE 275  BLOOMFIELD HILLS   MI  48304
Mailing Address:   MI

Formed Under Act Number(s): 284-1972          

Incorporation/Qualification Date: 4-16-2013

Jurisdiction of Origin: MICHIGAN

Number of Shares: 60,000

Year of Most Recent Annual Report:

Year of Most Recent Annual Report With Officers & Directors:

Status: ACTIVE   Date: Present

http://www.dleg.state.mi.us/bcs_corp/dt_corp.asp?id_nbr=05133X&name_entity=CRYONIKS,%20INC.

The Articles of Incorporation are also available for viewing - nothing interesting just the same registered agent name.

Someone else can take it from here


I have family in that city.  I just might have my brother in law pay him a surprise visit.

Totally should do that  Grin Grin



Another thing I found that is kinda weird-

   Domain Privacy Service
   1958 South 950 East
   Provo, Utah 84606
   United States
   Phone: +1.8017659400
   Fax..:
   Email: [email protected]
   Last modified: 2012-10-18 18:12:21 GMT
Status: Locked
Domain servers in listed order:
   NS1.MYBITWIZE.COM
   NS2.MYBITWIZE.COM

Correct me if I am mistaken, but it seems Bitwize made the Cryoniks site and hosts it....their DNS points to Bitwize name servers
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Amateur sleuthing in Michigan's LARA database turned up
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Searched for: CRYONIKS, INC.

ID Num: 05133X

    
Entity Name: CRYONIKS, INC.

Type of Entity: Domestic Profit Corporation
Resident Agent: RALPH R SAFFORD

Registered Office Address: 40900 WOODWARD AVE STE 275  BLOOMFIELD HILLS   MI  48304
Mailing Address:   MI

Formed Under Act Number(s): 284-1972          

Incorporation/Qualification Date: 4-16-2013

Jurisdiction of Origin: MICHIGAN

Number of Shares: 60,000

Year of Most Recent Annual Report:

Year of Most Recent Annual Report With Officers & Directors:

Status: ACTIVE   Date: Present

http://www.dleg.state.mi.us/bcs_corp/dt_corp.asp?id_nbr=05133X&name_entity=CRYONIKS,%20INC.

The Articles of Incorporation are also available for viewing - nothing interesting just the same registered agent name.

Someone else can take it from here


I have family in that city.  I just might have my brother in law pay him a surprise visit.
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Quickly Robin, to the Coin Canary database!   Cool
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