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Quote from: Die_empty on February 07, 2025, 01:10:08 PM

If you have decided to invade tax, you should be willing to forgo the benefits that the government offers.

i mean yes i kinda understand the logic behind this corrupt government or not taxes is from the pockets of the citizens so it is only right for them to benefit from them no one else should benefit from the money aside from the payers themselves not those who do not pay most especially not the politicians

Quote from: sompitonov on February 07, 2025, 01:41:03 PM

However, as soon as the government tightens the grip on gambling, dishonest establishments appear that want to make a profit and not pay taxes, because this niche will always be in demand.

i am pretty sure a lot of casinos are already evading taxes it is very common for casinos to money launder it is either the taxes are too high or they just really do not want to pay at all

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Quote from: Die_empty on February 07, 2025, 01:10:08 PM

Quote from: tvplus006 on February 03, 2025, 04:44:55 PM

Most people are unwilling to pay taxes, mistakenly believing that their money is not being spent on what they themselves would like. However, it should be understood that by betting on an unregulated casino via VPN, they deprive themselves of the opportunity to be protected by their government in case encounters fraud.

I might also have the same feelings because the government of my country are professional in corruption. Most of the taxes collected are not used for the benefit of the people but the majority of them go to private pockets. But we have to pay taxes because it is our moral responsibility. Regarding protection from the government, one cannot eat his cake and have it. If you have decided to invade tax, you should be willing to forgo the benefits that the government offers.

Of course, many people think that this is the case with gambling, but I think that this does not happen everywhere and not in all countries. Although it is obvious that some casino owners can offer good money for lobbying interests, or when deciding on construction on a specific land, when other competitors are laying claim to it. However, as soon as the government tightens the grip on gambling, dishonest establishments appear that want to make a profit and not pay taxes, because this niche will always be in demand.

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Quote from: tvplus006 on February 03, 2025, 04:44:55 PM

Most people are unwilling to pay taxes, mistakenly believing that their money is not being spent on what they themselves would like. However, it should be understood that by betting on an unregulated casino via VPN, they deprive themselves of the opportunity to be protected by their government in case encounters fraud.

I might also have the same feelings because the government of my country are professional in corruption. Most of the taxes collected are not used for the benefit of the people but the majority of them go to private pockets. But we have to pay taxes because it is our moral responsibility. Regarding protection from the government, one cannot eat his cake and have it. If you have decided to invade tax, you should be willing to forgo the benefits that the government offers.

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Quote from: Forsyth Jones on February 01, 2025, 04:10:59 PM

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As a result, users are preferring to use unregulated casinos (they access the casino website outside of brasil via VPN or other methods) and are able to get better and more attractive odds than regulated casinos that pay high taxes to the government... as these pass on the costs of taxation, licensing, etc. to users, while unregulated casinos don't need to pass on additional costs and for this reason are more attractive to users because they offer better odds!

This just shows that no government in the world understands the internet and how it works. The internet exists for this reason (it was originally created for this). In cases of government censorship, the internet is a communication protocol that is resistant to any type of censorship. Even though some casinos are banned from being accessed by brazilians, it is still possible to get around this ban via VPN and the like.

The greatest gear of government with gambling is money laundering and I don't know why they are having much concern with that. They clearly mandated every casino to do make kyc compulsory which almost casino I used now have, the casinos also have their own measurements of making sure that funds deposited can't be withdrawal unless they are wager atleast twice but still governments don't trust the processes which is why many of them ban gambling in the country.

I'm not sure about data collection, I'm not good in that aspect but there are people that has ban gambling in their country for the fear of privacy concerns and some countries don't allow external casinos and crypto casino, they fear they can be used for other agenda but all these doesn't matter, it's selfish interest that makes some of this people ban gambling and some are abused of political positions just because they want to achieve their own self aims.

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Quote from: Slow death on February 02, 2025, 04:32:45 PM

I sincerely think that Brazilian citizens who use online casinos need to be very careful because the Brazilian government and the Brazilian justice system are relentless, they do not like to be contradicted and when they put this phrase in their heads: "Internet sites must respect the laws of Brazil", then we will see the Supreme Federal Court coming into play and will investigate all people who use online casinos that are not in compliance with the laws of Brazil.

Oh, are they? Thanks for the information right there. I didn't expect that but I think every governments are still going to punish those who are going to go against their rules and it doesn't make sense if they don't because people will only continue on their wrong doings.

Online casinos are still plenty and they still can do what they want because it was their own but in terms of a business such as a casino, they may not only cater a customer from that country if they will not follow some regulations or they won't at all no matter what, because a country might disallow them. Oh well, they still can get customers from other countries so they might still be fine.

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Quote from: JunaidAzizi on February 03, 2025, 04:18:54 PM

Hhh, the government is facing a modern problems due to the advancement of technology. Many countries want to ban certain things, but they are failing because the structure of VPNs is more complex, they can't contain something when people want to do it. The government has made a good plan to bring online casinos within the boundaries and collect their taxes, but I think they have forgotten about VPNs. VPNs are almost impossible to limit, but they have a good option to close the internet for them, although it will cost the government more...

Most people are unwilling to pay taxes, mistakenly believing that their money is not being spent on what they themselves would like. However, it should be understood that by betting on an unregulated casino via VPN, they deprive themselves of the opportunity to be protected by their government in case encounters fraud.

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Hhh, the government is facing a modern problems due to the advancement of technology. Many countries want to ban certain things, but they are failing because the structure of VPNs is more complex, they can't contain something when people want to do it. The government has made a good plan to bring online casinos within the boundaries and collect their taxes, but I think they have forgotten about VPNs. VPNs are almost impossible to limit, but they have a good option to close the internet for them, although it will cost the government more.

In my view, if the government can show some flexibility and reduce the taxes and laws on online casinos, they will be in a good economic condition. It will be a win-win agreement, the casinos operate in the country, and hundreds of casinos will come, so people will earn here, and the government will collect their taxes.

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Quote from: Finestream on February 03, 2025, 06:42:01 AM

People are encouraged to cheat the government because of their unfair policies and restrictions. Of course, I won't say it is a good idea, but if we think this could give fairness, then I support it.

Indeed, the government doesn't consider how it affects people's lives like they own it. I understand their interest in doing this, but they also have to consider people who want to gamble. Because the more they become strict on gambling, the more people think they are abused and will find ways (illegal) to pursue their wants.

a direct ban without alternatives will definitely lead to bypassing the blockages and finding other ways to play. The government will be the loser in this situation, it is clear that they wanted to control the market, but the decision to block everything indiscriminately turned out to be easier. Perhaps in the future they will reconsider their decision when they realize what a huge layer of taxes could be earned.

People will always find a way how to go around this ban. So yes, sooner or later, the government will realize that their action towards this activity is futile. So better get the income out of it rather than banning its operations.
Do remember, the black market will always find a way how to reach out these gamblers. Since a lot of people are already into gambling, and it won't stop anytime soon, the government can just tailor protocols or regulations on this type of business so they can get the revenue from this lucrative business. Just think of the fact that no matter what, people will gamble.

They would really be that go to the practical way because they do know that it will really be that useless on trying out to ban in out but still seeing that there's still some illegal platforms or places that operates without knowing the government. They are battling out those things but still ending up on not to be able to eradicate and still there's still those in existence and this is the reason on why instead of banning they would really be rather allowing it or legalizing it because if we do really be able to see that they are gaining taxes rather than on banning it and getting nothing or even with those illegal places. This is why it might that look up unethical in regarding about into their decision but for the sake of getting up some benefits then they would really be doing. The main problem on here is that whether these taxes are being used on the right way or would be corrupted? This is an another issue to be faced on or something a problem that needs up to solved out. This is why if you are a citizen then it will be better that you shouldnt really be that trying out to stress out into the things that doesnt really need up to get stressed out because there's nothing that you can do on whatever the decisions that they will be making.

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I think if there seems to exist any form of regulation from the government on some of these private online companies a lot of unchecked exploitation would have been the order of the day and a lot of us would have clamoured for a regulatory involvement of government even to the online casinos as it is right now. The regulations though strikes some considerable form of balance which we can say it's also to the advantage of the gamblers just as it in other ways appears to be disadvantageous from the few cited areas in the OP.

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Quote from: nimogsm on February 03, 2025, 10:51:34 AM

Quote from: Finestream on February 03, 2025, 06:42:01 AM

People are encouraged to cheat the government because of their unfair policies and restrictions. Of course, I won't say it is a good idea, but if we think this could give fairness, then I support it.

Indeed, the government doesn't consider how it affects people's lives like they own it. I understand their interest in doing this, but they also have to consider people who want to gamble. Because the more they become strict on gambling, the more people think they are abused and will find ways (illegal) to pursue their wants.

a direct ban without alternatives will definitely lead to bypassing the blockages and finding other ways to play. The government will be the loser in this situation, it is clear that they wanted to control the market, but the decision to block everything indiscriminately turned out to be easier. Perhaps in the future they will reconsider their decision when they realize what a huge layer of taxes could be earned.

People will always find a way how to go around this ban. So yes, sooner or later, the government will realize that their action towards this activity is futile. So better get the income out of it rather than banning its operations.
Do remember, the black market will always find a way how to reach out these gamblers. Since a lot of people are already into gambling, and it won't stop anytime soon, the government can just tailor protocols or regulations on this type of business so they can get the revenue from this lucrative business. Just think of the fact that no matter what, people will gamble.

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Quote from: crwth on February 03, 2025, 10:10:11 AM

I guess that's how the government wants to do it, just ban it and blame the "illegal" gambling towards the people. There could be some consequences with this but it's the efforts of the people to access the unregulated ones is what's the problem. Maybe that's the reason why they did it in the first place. There's actual actions but it's the people who don't want to stop.

It should be a case to case basis in this type of thing because it's so easy to bypass nowadays.

I believe the major problem and what shows the incompetence of the Brazilian government was to think people would gladly comply and only gamble on websites which are fully regulated, as if the government of Brazil was not aware of the existence and effectiveness of VPN and even Tor to bypass attempts to block certain websites.
With the way casinos work online, these measures by the government of Lula DaSilva would have only worked if those casinos had headquarters within Brazil and got seized by federal authorities.

it was a mistake and miscalculation by them to assume they could do the same countries like the United Kingdom and the USA could do and twist the arm of those operators to comply with their new laws. Gambling market of those countries alone (UK and USA) likely surpasses Brazil easily.

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Quote from: Forsyth Jones on February 01, 2025, 04:10:59 PM

This just shows that no government in the world understands the internet and how it works. The internet exists for this reason (it was originally created for this). In cases of government censorship, the internet is a communication protocol that is resistant to any type of censorship. Even though some casinos are banned from being accessed by brazilians, it is still possible to get around this ban via VPN and the like.

Although VPN aren't always good to use on some casino because of their terms and conditions that doesn't allow VPN hence when you get caught, you can lose your account. It's a risk to use a VPN but before making use of it on a casino, do well to verify if the casino is against it. There are many casinos hence if one doesn't accept, there'll be others that do. Don't make use of the ones that don't accept VPN to avoid losing your money. The federal government haven't understand how people react to rules and regulations, when they're feeling oppressed, people will do anything to bypass the laws that has being implemented. People are only looking for ways they can get additional money through gambling hence I don't understand why the governments are becoming very strict to gambling platforms recently. Assuming the licence and regulations were okay, casinos will gladly go through the right process so the federal government have to do better.

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Quote from: Finestream on February 03, 2025, 06:42:01 AM

People are encouraged to cheat the government because of their unfair policies and restrictions. Of course, I won't say it is a good idea, but if we think this could give fairness, then I support it.

Indeed, the government doesn't consider how it affects people's lives like they own it. I understand their interest in doing this, but they also have to consider people who want to gamble. Because the more they become strict on gambling, the more people think they are abused and will find ways (illegal) to pursue their wants.

a direct ban without alternatives will definitely lead to bypassing the blockages and finding other ways to play. The government will be the loser in this situation, it is clear that they wanted to control the market, but the decision to block everything indiscriminately turned out to be easier. Perhaps in the future they will reconsider their decision when they realize what a huge layer of taxes could be earned.

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I guess that's how the government wants to do it, just ban it and blame the "illegal" gambling towards the people. There could be some consequences with this but it's the efforts of the people to access the unregulated ones is what's the problem. Maybe that's the reason why they did it in the first place. There's actual actions but it's the people who don't want to stop.

It should be a case to case basis in this type of thing because it's so easy to bypass nowadays.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on February 03, 2025, 09:37:00 AM

Not all countries who regulated casino have a purpose to reduce the amount of gamblers, some of them or probably all of them want to make money from it.

I find it odd to impose rules on online casino and gambling sites just because they want to make profit because they see that the industry is profitable. The gamblers were not even put into considerations like protect people against cyber crime but the policy is more of tax thereby increasing the price of casino fees for the gamblers.

It's a cracked system and that is why internet users always find a way around it whether through through VPN or other way forward. The thing is that people are not even scared to make use of illegal sites or make use of VPN to access online casino because the regulation enforced on online casino does not benefit the gambler or affect them directly but to enrich pocket of the lawmakers.

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Just because people can use VPN to gamble on other casinos and haven't get any problem yet, it doesn't mean they're safe.

Wait until the banks start to notice if there's a transaction came from unregulated casinos or even you play with cryptocurrency, the banks may ask the origin of your coins and how you earn that.

Quote from: davis196 on February 03, 2025, 02:56:40 AM

I'm sure that most politicians and government officials know, that gambling cannot be completely banned or regulated, but government regulations can limit the gambling industry to some extent. If a decent amount of Brazilian gamblers have stopped gambling, due to the new government regulations, then it's clear that this new policy provides results. The results might not be perfect, but there are results for sure.

Not all countries who regulated casino have a purpose to reduce the amount of gamblers, some of them or probably all of them want to make money from it.

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And also, good luck with trying to withdraw money from a foreign crypto casino, while using a VPN.

Some casinos do allow VPN usage.

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My country is like that too. From the beginning my government has banned gambling operations in any form. They even built a firewall costing millions of dollars just to restrict people from accessing gambling sites, but unfortunately people can still access gambling sites using VPN. And from the reports collected, it is noted that gambling here has actually increased and the industry is now worth tens of billions of dollars - and it only benefits the illegal gambling entrepreneurs and does not contribute anything to the country's economy.
That is one example of why government regulation of gambling is sometimes ineffective and instead makes the country lose money.

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Everything that is limited or arranged or regulated for legally simplification in order to be able to provide benefits for the government there is always a way to violate, we will see the VPN case even though the government blocks access but can still enter by using it and that is a rat road In the internet world.
Other gamblers are definitely not happy with a rule that limits them or with the casino they use is blocked and they must be looking for other doors to enter, and to eradicate this is very difficult for the government especially with limited knowledge.

Regulations and also the convenience of customers must be a priority that they can not run away, the government should also not be too cruel in implementing regulations, especially if you make players or casinos pressured in two angles.

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Quote from: Finestream on February 03, 2025, 06:42:01 AM

People are encouraged to cheat the government because of their unfair policies and restrictions. Of course, I won't say it is a good idea, but if we think this could give fairness, then I support it.

Indeed, the government doesn't consider how it affects people's lives like they own it. I understand their interest in doing this, but they also have to consider people who want to gamble. Because the more they become strict on gambling, the more people think they are abused and will find ways (illegal) to pursue their wants.

It’s easy to cheat if the government isn’t serious about the punishment. But if they enforce strict penalties, gamblers might think twice before breaking the law. However, with this gambling law, the government’s main goal is to increase its revenue. They want casinos to comply and be regulated, but some still operate outside the law because they can keep the same user base. This makes it a challenge for the government to effectively implement the law and actually achieve its goal, and in this case its still a question how.

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Quote from: Finestream on February 03, 2025, 06:42:01 AM

People are encouraged to cheat the government because of their unfair policies and restrictions. Of course, I won't say it is a good idea, but if we think this could give fairness, then I support it.

Indeed, the government doesn't consider how it affects people's lives like they own it. I understand their interest in doing this, but they also have to consider people who want to gamble. Because the more they become strict on gambling, the more people think they are abused and will find ways (illegal) to pursue their wants.

Here, a balance in regulation is simply necessary. For example, if the government clamps down too much on casinos, there will be fewer of them, but at the same time, players will not disappear completely, because there are always those who want to play. These people and casinos will simply create a gray market, will play as IP, create physical casinos that will be in basements or country houses, it will be extremely difficult to expose them. But at the same time, if you give too much freedom to gambling establishments, then all the streets of the city will be filled with advertising, people, the working class, students, old people will simply start playing and losing. This will become popular, as a result, cash flows will flow from the pockets of citizens to the pockets of casinos, I think it is bad when it has a very mass effect.

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