People are encouraged to cheat the government because of their unfair policies and restrictions. Of course, I won't say it is a good idea, but if we think this could give fairness, then I support it.
Indeed, the government doesn't consider how it affects people's lives like they own it. I understand their interest in doing this, but they also have to consider people who want to gamble. Because the more they become strict on gambling, the more people think they are abused and will find ways (illegal) to pursue their wants.
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February 03, 2025, 06:42:01 AM
February 03, 2025, 03:57:28 AM
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No, they didn’t. “Government” didn't create the Internet and other vital technologies of the modern age of communications. They were created by gifted individuals such as Bob Taylor, Robert Kahn, Vint Cerf, Bob Metcalfe, Douglas Engelbart, Tim Berners-Lee, Ted Nelson, Marc Andreessen and Eric Bina. The internet is not owned by the government either. It would be helpful next time to read the entire article you quoted, just two lines below that
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(I’m even prepared to believe that if the Internet hadn’t been invented at DARPA, the private sector would have stepped in and done the job. But we’ll never know for sure, since it was invented at DARPA.)
Internet predecessor, ARPANET was developed by the US Ministry of Defense. those "gifted" individuals were hired by the government to do it, if it weren't for them the army would have found others. Let's try to not re-write history, ok?
I believe it is a contributed effort but I can acknowledge my mistake.
February 03, 2025, 03:38:09 AM
This just shows that no government in the world understands the internet and how it works. The internet exists for this reason (it was originally created for this). In cases of government censorship, the internet is a communication protocol that is resistant to any type of censorship. Even though some casinos are banned from being accessed by brazilians, it is still possible to get around this ban via VPN and the like.
I think the government should have known better, that gamblers are more intelligent that them, and will have to find a way to circumvent the ban like using VPN or any other tools that will hide their true IP address.
So yeah, it's just another battle that the government are going to lose in the long end. And we all know that they can't ban the internet, unless they turn into a authoritative state that will control everything. In any case, gamblers still needs to be aware of this banning and regulations and should be careful as well.
February 03, 2025, 02:56:40 AM
I'm sure that most politicians and government officials know, that gambling cannot be completely banned or regulated, but government regulations can limit the gambling industry to some extent. If a decent amount of Brazilian gamblers have stopped gambling, due to the new government regulations, then it's clear that this new policy provides results. The results might not be perfect, but there are results for sure.
Good luck with trying to use a foreign casino with a VPN without any problems. And also, good luck with trying to withdraw money from a foreign crypto casino, while using a VPN.
Good luck with trying to use a foreign casino with a VPN without any problems. And also, good luck with trying to withdraw money from a foreign crypto casino, while using a VPN.
February 03, 2025, 02:29:59 AM
When a government banned the use of casinos unless it comply their laws then casinos who don't follow should not accept users from that country and VPN is not an excuse because casino now asks for KYC to most users then they know that these people are from this region and should have them added into the list of banned countries. Government can loosen the laws to make things easier but I would not entirely blame the government here cause it's also the responsibility of people to follow the laws of a country.
The Brazilian government's debate on regulating online casinos didn't begin until the substantial profits the gambling scheme brought into the country, accumulating about $1.5 billion in 2023. In a situation as this, government wants it better, by using the regulation to attract investors and as well protect citizens from getting problematic in the process. But, this is on the net, that's where things start hitting up, because citizens have other means of utilizing their gadgets to access casinos even when banned or regulated.
February 03, 2025, 02:03:43 AM
I don't think many people expected much from this... at least I didn't. Although the news from Brazil raised some dust at first, it seems like everything quickly faded into oblivion.
Banning and stricter laws don't help, I guess that's obvious... people always find a way to get what they want. At the same time, a lot of things are being pushed into the illegal/dark markets, which creates some other problems, in some cases very serious problems.
Banning and stricter laws don't help, I guess that's obvious... people always find a way to get what they want. At the same time, a lot of things are being pushed into the illegal/dark markets, which creates some other problems, in some cases very serious problems.
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February 03, 2025, 01:40:13 AM
This just shows that no government in the world understands the internet and how it works. The internet exists for this reason (it was originally created for this). In cases of government censorship, the internet is a communication protocol that is resistant to any type of censorship. Even though some casinos are banned from being accessed by brazilians, it is still possible to get around this ban via VPN and the like.
Yes, there’s no way to completely block any services online unless they fully regulate internet connection which is not gonna happened.
Although there’s a loop hole on the government security measure, Players is still taking a high risk on playing to unregulated casino since their account can be freeze due to the casino ToS or casino that operating wi5out any license can run away without any trace.
So it’s not really worth it to bypass country restrictions if you will consider the risk involved.
February 03, 2025, 01:34:51 AM
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No, they didn’t. “Government” didn't create the Internet and other vital technologies of the modern age of communications. They were created by gifted individuals such as Bob Taylor, Robert Kahn, Vint Cerf, Bob Metcalfe, Douglas Engelbart, Tim Berners-Lee, Ted Nelson, Marc Andreessen and Eric Bina. The internet is not owned by the government either. It would be helpful next time to read the entire article you quoted, just two lines below that
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(I’m even prepared to believe that if the Internet hadn’t been invented at DARPA, the private sector would have stepped in and done the job. But we’ll never know for sure, since it was invented at DARPA.)
Internet predecessor, ARPANET was developed by the US Ministry of Defense. those "gifted" individuals were hired by the government to do it, if it weren't for them the army would have found others. Let's try to not re-write history, ok?
February 03, 2025, 01:16:06 AM
As a result, users are preferring to use unregulated casinos (they access the casino website outside of brasil via VPN or other methods) and are able to get better and more attractive odds than regulated casinos that pay high taxes to the government... as these pass on the costs of taxation, licensing, etc. to users, while unregulated casinos don't need to pass on additional costs and for this reason are more attractive to users because they offer better odds!
And do you have some numbers to back these claims up?
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Newsflash for you!
The internet was created by a government!
No, they didn’t. “Government” didn't create the Internet and other vital technologies of the modern age of communications. They were created by gifted individuals such as Bob Taylor, Robert Kahn, Vint Cerf, Bob Metcalfe, Douglas Engelbart, Tim Berners-Lee, Ted Nelson, Marc Andreessen and Eric Bina. The internet is not owned by the government either. The internet was created by a government!
February 02, 2025, 11:56:38 PM
But probably there is consequences ont hsoe who got fallout when they are discovered to using those unregulated casino related to taxation if in any case they have been discovered using it though? Yes we can use those unregulated but the problem is if we cash out money and got known for that, surely they have to ask something or will bargain out that is illegal you need to pay penalty or somehow huge amount of money for doing so.
This is a good point. When you are playing in these waters with the sharks sometimes they will surface you and then you are faced with a huge net in the form of a consequence from your government tax authority. IDK evasion of taxes is a federal offense where I am from. Now there are rules that you can abide by to limit your taxes and many of these rules are followed by the rich, i'm sure they also have a workaround for gambling and even making it a write off lmao. Who knows, I sure as heck wouldn't but honestly, I wish I did, just for educational purposes
February 02, 2025, 06:58:35 PM
In as much as the internet also makes provision for all of the options to explore to start your way around restrictions such as this, we should not fail to remember that there are consequences which could be a huge problem to us at some point if we continue with such bypass, the task and levies on this casinos and the gamblers at some coube high and outright the advantage remains that you still get some advantages which you don't when using the unregulated casinos.
The problem is that most of those who did bypass some restrictions or the other have mastered the act and can hardly get caught up in between because most of them have a pre-planned approach and are just following up with it, so if there can be any problem, it will come from the casino itself restricting their accounts and asking for verification before the account can be opened again, and this restriction will hardly happen since casinos are business centers and have the interest of the customers at hart in other to maintain steady flow of revenue. 
February 02, 2025, 06:33:32 PM
It's the same thing here. People still find ways to gamble illegally even though the POGOs here are banned and the government discourages gambling. Some text that promotes gambling is not yet gone, billboards promoting gambling are still there, and some annoying gambling ads are all over the internet. I don't usually gamble, but the algo in social media is ruined because of the promotions, and it shows that even if you lessen those major casinos in the center, we're still in the domain of those people operating the gambling platforms. Governments trying to control gambling through bans often fail because the internet and global financial systems make it too easy to bypass restrictions.
So it's still the same, nothing changes. Unless they fully banned it and fined them huge if they didn't obey the law. The problem here is politicians are also the ones who control these underground gambling schemes, so it won't stop.
So it's still the same, nothing changes. Unless they fully banned it and fined them huge if they didn't obey the law. The problem here is politicians are also the ones who control these underground gambling schemes, so it won't stop.
February 02, 2025, 05:53:11 PM
Recently, in the year 2024, the brazilian government saw a large source of money coming into online casinos (since physical casinos are prohibited by law), and since then, so as not to make this post too long... the brazilian government had the "brilliant" idea of requiring that any casino that wanted to operate in brazil would have to regularize itself and follow the country's rules, or its website would be blocked...
I don't see anything wrong with the Brazilian government deciding to regulate an online casino that wants to operate in this market. This should mean that laws have been adopted regulating this branch of entertainment in the country and, accordingly, thus guarantees the safety of users. But in any case, each player can decide for himself which casino is preferable for him, regulated or unregulated.
February 02, 2025, 05:20:15 PM
We cannot concluded that the banning or regularization of some online casinos didn't work. Where is the evidence to prove and disprove this?
Let it be known that even if there is no ban or regularization of online casinos, people will still use VPN to access some casinos website, offshore casinos will still find a way to operate, and there are casinos that don't just serve customer that are in that country.
The government must publish the records for the public to read and know if their laws on online casino worked and what didn't know and how they can improved.
Let it be known that even if there is no ban or regularization of online casinos, people will still use VPN to access some casinos website, offshore casinos will still find a way to operate, and there are casinos that don't just serve customer that are in that country.
The government must publish the records for the public to read and know if their laws on online casino worked and what didn't know and how they can improved.
February 02, 2025, 04:32:45 PM
Recently, in the year 2024, the brazilian government saw a large source of money coming into online casinos (since physical casinos are prohibited by law), and since then, so as not to make this post too long... the brazilian government had the "brilliant" idea of requiring that any casino that wanted to operate in brazil would have to regularize itself and follow the country's rules, or its website would be blocked.
As a result, users are preferring to use unregulated casinos (they access the casino website outside of brasil via VPN or other methods) and are able to get better and more attractive odds than regulated casinos that pay high taxes to the government... as these pass on the costs of taxation, licensing, etc. to users, while unregulated casinos don't need to pass on additional costs and for this reason are more attractive to users because they offer better odds!
This just shows that no government in the world understands the internet and how it works. The internet exists for this reason (it was originally created for this). In cases of government censorship, the internet is a communication protocol that is resistant to any type of censorship. Even though some casinos are banned from being accessed by brazilians, it is still possible to get around this ban via VPN and the like.
As a result, users are preferring to use unregulated casinos (they access the casino website outside of brasil via VPN or other methods) and are able to get better and more attractive odds than regulated casinos that pay high taxes to the government... as these pass on the costs of taxation, licensing, etc. to users, while unregulated casinos don't need to pass on additional costs and for this reason are more attractive to users because they offer better odds!
This just shows that no government in the world understands the internet and how it works. The internet exists for this reason (it was originally created for this). In cases of government censorship, the internet is a communication protocol that is resistant to any type of censorship. Even though some casinos are banned from being accessed by brazilians, it is still possible to get around this ban via VPN and the like.
I sincerely think that Brazilian citizens who use online casinos need to be very careful because the Brazilian government and the Brazilian justice system are relentless, they do not like to be contradicted and when they put this phrase in their heads: "Internet sites must respect the laws of Brazil", then we will see the Supreme Federal Court coming into play and will investigate all people who use online casinos that are not in compliance with the laws of Brazil.
February 02, 2025, 01:01:17 PM
I have always believed that restricting and banning online casinos in a particular country just doesn't make sense. Online casinos are not like landbased casinos where the government can easily stop gamblers from going in to gamble. There are several ways people can bypass restrictions to still gamble on online gambling sites without the government knowing. Sometimes it gets me wondering if the government is dumb to realise this or they are acting dumb on purpose?
The best they can do is to make money from these casinos because whether they restrict these casinos or not, people will still gamble while the government becomes the loser at last.
The best they can do is to make money from these casinos because whether they restrict these casinos or not, people will still gamble while the government becomes the loser at last.
February 02, 2025, 11:58:08 AM
In my opinion, governments should not regulate organizations operating in the virtual space (including online casinos).
The virtual space is essentially a separate supranational digital territory. It is difficult to tie it to the jurisdiction of a separate state.
Online casino servers can be located in different countries, online casino clients can be residents of different states. Governments of states try to regulate everything, but it is more appropriate to recognize that not all organizations should be subject to their regulation. Perhaps this will require changes in national legislation, perhaps it will be necessary to amend the legislation on taxes and fees.
At the same time, it must be recognized that the current situation does not suit anyone. Neither online casinos, nor their clients.
People find ways to bypass blocking in the virtual space and the more such blocking there are, the more sophisticated the methods of bypassing them will be.
The virtual space is essentially a separate supranational digital territory. It is difficult to tie it to the jurisdiction of a separate state.
Online casino servers can be located in different countries, online casino clients can be residents of different states. Governments of states try to regulate everything, but it is more appropriate to recognize that not all organizations should be subject to their regulation. Perhaps this will require changes in national legislation, perhaps it will be necessary to amend the legislation on taxes and fees.
At the same time, it must be recognized that the current situation does not suit anyone. Neither online casinos, nor their clients.
People find ways to bypass blocking in the virtual space and the more such blocking there are, the more sophisticated the methods of bypassing them will be.
February 02, 2025, 11:51:40 AM
Even though some casinos are banned from being accessed by brazilians, it is still possible to get around this ban via VPN and the like.
Is it a good idea? We have to take into consideration that many casinos don't allow the usage of VPN by their users, so it can be easily used as an excused by casinos to deny a withdrawal or to ban the account of a jackpot winner right after he wins the bet. before deciding to deposit at a casino to play through a VPN, terms of the casino must be read or support must be contacted to find out if it's fine to use VPN or not.In positive case, a printscreen of the terms and support chat must be taken, so it will be useful later as a proof in case the casino tries to create any issues for the gambler due to the VPN usage.
Regards the government, you can expect they are going to try regulating, raising taxes and creating new taxes on most activities as possible more and more each new day, as they are constantly thirsty for further income. Everything citizens can do to avoid paying such taxes is self-defense.
February 02, 2025, 11:37:50 AM
When a government banned the use of casinos unless it comply their laws then casinos who don't follow should not accept users from that country and VPN is not an excuse because casino now asks for KYC to most users then they know that these people are from this region and should have them added into the list of banned countries. Government can loosen the laws to make things easier but I would not entirely blame the government here cause it's also the responsibility of people to follow the laws of a country.
February 02, 2025, 09:35:27 AM
I can't really blame their government, I mean, online casinos can pump a lot of money into a country and the Brazilian government saw an opportunity and took it. one country for example that took that opportunity too is the Philippines, they took advantage of that opportunity with POGO(Philippine Offshore Gaming Operator.) but in the end, it became a disaster because of corrupt officials and crimes related to POGO casinos.
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