The beginning of the end for centralized AI?

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Quote from: Z390 on April 04, 2023, 08:00:57 AM

There is a rumor going around that Centralized ChatGPT is getting banned, I don't know if this is official yet but it is official that in Italy the government is worried about privacy concerns and they put a ban on ChatGPT, is this the beginning of the end for ChatGPT? How will this impact decentralized AI projects because I believe they can't be banned.

Another possibility is if ChatGPT or OpenAI start getting banned in other parts of the world we can see a big rally on AI projects on the blockchain, what do you think?

Actually blockchain is a good way of storing information, but not working with data, so any AI project has tendency to become Centralized, since doesn't matter how many data servers containing the whole blockchain there are, the support and stability staff remains to be a certain highly centralised group of people. When data is just stored, then it is a good way to keep data, but calculating data for AI is anyway a centralized process.

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A lot of people had been pushing for the ban of AI because it had been breaching copy right in a way that people now does not wwnt to follow the normal process to get things done. Many people prefer the use of AI which make work too easier and this can cause big problem in the future if it continues. If the government put a ban on it then I think that would be a good move to make people concentrate on focus on the the normal procedures of there jobs. When work becomes too easy people would become too lazy to deliver.

Some sort of control is needed, for example in the case of students it was difficult already to get them to do their own homework due to the help they can get from their parents, peers and even specialized services which made their homework for them for a price, if you add ChatGPT to the mix then I would be surprised if in a few years any student did their homework at all on their own, and this is just an example as the same could be happening everywhere from the office to interpersonal relationships.

that's one negative repercussion of having chatGPT these days. some people are just relying on what it will answer to their questions. but of course, it has limitations. you can't expect that they will have a very comprehensive answer to every question as they are only relying on the database they have. we can use these chatbots to some extent esp if we are in a hurry to know something. but --

what i don't like to see from the news is like this, a very tragic one!

Belgian man dies by suicide following exchanges with chatbot

That's true, as I've said couple of times here in this forum that AI right now is at an early stage in life. In short, it is still an infant when it comes to answering questions, since mostly the ideas they have gathered and filtered before answering are datas that are generally used in the public. Aside from that, I didn't really have problems on chatGPT so far since I'll only used those whenever I get lazy into researching something or helping my nieces into making a storybook. That is also why I depend on AI whenever I get lazy researching coz as I've said above, they filtered out unnecessary information which will take you longer on searching things on the web, but in terms of trading or making accurate decisions on the market? No, I don't fully trust AI on that, coz even if I'm only using it to filter the necessary ideas I want, there are still information that I didn't need that still slipped out on their filtering, so there are still possibilities that they might messed up.

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Quote from: South Park on April 07, 2023, 06:29:37 PM

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A lot of people had been pushing for the ban of AI because it had been breaching copy right in a way that people now does not wwnt to follow the normal process to get things done. Many people prefer the use of AI which make work too easier and this can cause big problem in the future if it continues. If the government put a ban on it then I think that would be a good move to make people concentrate on focus on the the normal procedures of there jobs. When work becomes too easy people would become too lazy to deliver.

Some sort of control is needed, for example in the case of students it was difficult already to get them to do their own homework due to the help they can get from their parents, peers and even specialized services which made their homework for them for a price, if you add ChatGPT to the mix then I would be surprised if in a few years any student did their homework at all on their own, and this is just an example as the same could be happening everywhere from the office to interpersonal relationships.

that's one negative repercussion of having chatGPT these days. some people are just relying on what it will answer to their questions. but of course, it has limitations. you can't expect that they will have a very comprehensive answer to every question as they are only relying on the database they have. we can use these chatbots to some extent esp if we are in a hurry to know something. but --

what i don't like to see from the news is like this, a very tragic one!

Belgian man dies by suicide following exchanges with chatbot

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Quote from: Bushdark on April 07, 2023, 02:04:34 PM

A lot of people had been pushing for the ban of AI because it had been breaching copy right in a way that people now does not wwnt to follow the normal process to get things done. Many people prefer the use of AI which make work too easier and this can cause big problem in the future if it continues. If the government put a ban on it then I think that would be a good move to make people concentrate on focus on the the normal procedures of there jobs. When work becomes too easy people would become too lazy to deliver.

Some sort of control is needed, for example in the case of students it was difficult already to get them to do their own homework due to the help they can get from their parents, peers and even specialized services which made their homework for them for a price, if you add ChatGPT to the mix then I would be surprised if in a few years any student did their homework at all on their own, and this is just an example as the same could be happening everywhere from the office to interpersonal relationships.

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Quote from: Z390 on April 04, 2023, 08:00:57 AM

There is a rumor going around that Centralized ChatGPT is getting banned, I don't know if this is official yet but it is official that in Italy the government is worried about privacy concerns and they put a ban on ChatGPT, is this the beginning of the end for ChatGPT? How will this impact decentralized AI projects because I believe they can't be banned.

Another possibility is if ChatGPT or OpenAI start getting banned in other parts of the world we can see a big rally on AI projects on the blockchain, what do you think?

I suppose that all the decentralized projects tend to become centralized. This happens because forking problems lead to instability of many parallel data... So the tendency to decentralization works well with data storage but works not well with data processing, and AI is fully about data processing, that's why the project is too troubled to be decentralized.

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Quote from: Z390 on April 04, 2023, 08:00:57 AM

~is this the beginning of the end for ChatGPT? How will this impact decentralized AI projects because I believe they can't be banned.

Another possibility is if ChatGPT or OpenAI start getting banned in other parts of the world we can see a big rally on AI projects on the blockchain, what do you think?

You clearly do not understand what you are saying.

A single country banning them won't make ChatGPT obsolete. And Decentralised AI project is useless, they did not solve any problem nor have any utility. The possibility that OpenAI getting banned in other part of the world is very unlikely since they have to comply with where their customer base is. What I meant you did not understand a thing is that you incorporate AI with blockchain/crypto which is incompatible in essence. Explain those things about the decentralized AI project and AI on the blockchain, I am certain you don't even understand it.

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Well, what you are saying that it cannot be banned, I think that is wrong in that regard, because they have already banned it in various schools, universities and even other staff of a company based on what I have seen that news. It's because the AI is getting too complacent, but of course we'll still see what can happen because it's just starting, and it's always like that, isn't it, it's always difficult at the beginning. Though, I don't like it also to use it.

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A lot of people had been pushing for the ban of AI because it had been breaching copy right in a way that people now does not wwnt to follow the normal process to get things done. Many people prefer the use of AI which make work too easier and this can cause big problem in the future if it continues. If the government put a ban on it then I think that would be a good move to make people concentrate on focus on the the normal procedures of there jobs. When work becomes too easy people would become too lazy to deliver.

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Quote from: Unbunplease on April 04, 2023, 06:38:46 PM

I don't think there's anything laws can do to stop the development of artificial intelligence. One reason is that people are paid to work on the development of artificial intelligence. In fact, developing artificial intelligence is their job description. And all these appeals and bans look ridiculous (like the riots against the development of factory production once looked like).

It not exactly pointless when it's got to do with issues of privacy encroachment and having to lift data from users without any due process. Taking an action as a means to mitigate this is definitely a step in the right direction. Though there might be means to access and use the services, it's not going yo come without some complications.
I recall when Twitter was banned in my nation for issues related to spreading fake news by local users although, after much deliberation, it was revived. It might not be the end for ChatGPT in Italy but, its some means to get some compliance and a more user protective approach to it's service dispensation.

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Quote from: Z390 on April 04, 2023, 08:00:57 AM

There is a rumor going around that Centralized ChatGPT is getting banned, I don't know if this is official yet but it is official that in Italy the government is worried about privacy concerns and they put a ban on ChatGPT, is this the beginning of the end for ChatGPT? How will this impact decentralized AI projects because I believe they can't be banned.

You should know the impact of the ban made by Italy for example, there is an invitation about privacy that makes them try to limit it, because they are worried that the collection of user data will end up in an ugly crime. Even though ChatGPT was not designed for that, it could be used by some people for a planned crime, the ban is also temporary and if they comply with the law it is likely to be lifted.

If you understand Cryptocurrency is decentralized in several countries, there are some that allow it to be used as a commodity asset but it is regulated on exchanges that already have permission and there are some that completely prohibit it from being able to operate in that country, if it is violated there are consequences that will be received by user. It's not final how the continuation of ChatGPT will experience a worldwide ban, because this is still in the early stages of its development that I know.

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I think centralized AI is not a thing, it is just AI from a company, not everything has to be centralized or decentralized, by this logic all the phone brands are "centralized" because apple or Samsung or whatever owns it, or all tv's are centralized because they are produced by a company etc. Sometimes it is just a company and it is product, you can't call a product centralized, that makes no sense at all, it is their product of course it is centralized.

I believe that the best thing here is that let the nations decide for itself, ban it or not however you want to approach it if they want to, but just let them decide for themselves and voters will show their decision as well.

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Quote from: Z390 on April 04, 2023, 08:00:57 AM

There is a rumor going around that Centralized ChatGPT is getting banned, I don't know if this is official yet but it is official that in Italy the government is worried about privacy concerns and they put a ban on ChatGPT, is this the beginning of the end for ChatGPT? How will this impact decentralized AI projects because I believe they can't be banned.

Another possibility is if ChatGPT or OpenAI start getting banned in other parts of the world we can see a big rally on AI projects on the blockchain, what do you think?

Things like that need to be Open-sourced and Transparent, but they most likely prefer it closed to prevent potential competitors from copying it, to remain in the dark probably because their method is evil that they don't want it to be public/transparent hence avoiding accountability.
I think decentralized AI will be transparent and accountable. But you'll also have to be worried about people copying, modifying, centralizing and close sourcing it.
Participants of proper Open-Source projects are more likely to continue to build on right/good foundations started by their founders as long as there remains honest/good participants that can't be censored or identified.

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I think the reason for most of them is that you can selectively give the data you want. Meaning that if you give it a good data for one political candidate and bad data for another, you can change even some of the discussions as well. I am not saying that's going to happen, or that's the reason, but the data fed into the AI is the main reason, because that makes it centralized and that's the issue.

I personally believe that we could potentially have a proper one in the future, but a decentralized one would be filled with hitler and whatever jokes or doge and memes, which would make it terrible as well, so you gotta do a centralized one without any political or any other type of leaning.

I agree with your point of view, and the fact that a tool product is born always has problems around in the process of using it. But I also find that their benefits are more widespread than just seeing the danger to the masses, and this makes me think even more about the negative possibility of limiting information between the two. everybody. Influential people still use them to influence those who can't, and here sharing knowledge for all comes with universalization of more ethical use in public works. this tool. I think this would be really cool if everyone adopted it like that, but first of all, the thing to do is adapt to this new technology change.

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Quote from: Z390 on April 04, 2023, 08:00:57 AM

There is a rumor going around that Centralized ChatGPT is getting banned, I don't know if this is official yet but it is official that in Italy the government is worried about privacy concerns and they put a ban on ChatGPT, is this the beginning of the end for ChatGPT? How will this impact decentralized AI projects because I believe they can't be banned.

Another possibility is if ChatGPT or OpenAI start getting banned in other parts of the world we can see a big rally on AI projects on the blockchain, what do you think?

I have not heard of any such rumor but if it does indeed exist then the best thing to do is make ChatGPT open source. I mean if it gets banned anyway then might as well give the people the opportunity to build their own ChatGPT as well as improve upon it.

The governments have absolutely no right or logical reason to ban it. I think its all coming down to a handful of bitter, old and scared men who get easily frightened by technology and therefore feel the need to ban it. And even if the fears are justified a tiny bit, how do they propose to stop it? All they are doing is fighting against the inevitable and wasting taxpayer money.

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Quote from: Z390 on April 04, 2023, 08:00:57 AM

Another possibility is if ChatGPT or OpenAI start getting banned in other parts of the world we can see a big rally on AI projects on the blockchain, what do you think?

Blockchain is a database. A very clunky and inefficient one.

AI is a program that first of all requires processing power. Not storage space. It makes zero sense to put "AI on blockchain", it's just technobabble.

And Italy didn't ban AI - they banned a chatbot website because it wasn't complying with Italy's privacy laws. But you can still use GPT-4 and other AIs in Italy in their other forms.

Blockchain, decentralization, these two are overly abused words I guess.

By the way, OP, no one can ban AI, it's just impossible because AI is made by using of math, data science, programming languages. There are a lot of programming languages used for that purposes, including python, C++, Java. It worth to note that this programming languages can't be banned and even if you ban, you have to keep in mind that logic is similar for all of them because they are based on Math, finally it comes down to 0 and 1. There is simply no way to ban AI, it's unstoppable, especially if it comes with ability to takeover endless amount of information and develop its analyzing skills and abilities with superfast calculation.

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Quote from: Z390 on April 04, 2023, 08:00:57 AM

Another possibility is if ChatGPT or OpenAI start getting banned in other parts of the world we can see a big rally on AI projects on the blockchain, what do you think?

Being centralized is not the problem but the existence of this AI technology is the real concern for banning this technology due to the potential risk involved. Building it on blockchain doesn’t make this AI less risk in contrary to the centralized AI. Most like this blockchain based AI will be banned too if the main ChatGPT is not allowed to use on a specific country.

Country like Italy might revised this total ban later and imposed some restrictions when this AI technology become a global phenomena. They are just scared because this is new.

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Quote from: Z390 on April 04, 2023, 08:00:57 AM

There is a rumor going around that Centralized ChatGPT is getting banned, I don't know if this is official yet but it is official that in Italy the government is worried about privacy concerns and they put a ban on ChatGPT, is this the beginning of the end for ChatGPT? How will this impact decentralized AI projects because I believe they can't be banned.

Another possibility is if ChatGPT or OpenAI start getting banned in other parts of the world we can see a big rally on AI projects on the blockchain, what do you think?

Banning AI is sheer stupidity, i have seen Italy has done that but their concerns are over the privacy concerns relating to user data. In general banning it to avoid it is Obviously not going to work. It hasn't worked in the past and will not work in the future also. Lots of governments previously also has tried banning emerging technologies like bitcoin also but nothing has actually worked ever.

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If governments are banning AI then definitely they might have found something nasty about the ChatGPT. Let me guess, ChatGPT is injecting itself into government servers or may be leaking out military server information in the public river? You never know what could be the reason but mostly it seems that they have predicted this already. There are also many other possibilities such as Centralised AI capturing critical info like stock market, shares, start predicting some next level outcomes. This could cause chaos everywhere and lead the humanity towards worst future. Well, if AI this powerful was easy to create then definitely it’s possible for it to go next level.

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In my opinion, whether the ban is official or not is still a wait and see, it is clear that governments around the world are increasingly concerned about privacy concerns regarding centralized AI. If centralized AI projects like ChatGPT or OpenAI face a ban in other parts of the world, perhaps we could see a rally in decentralized AI projects on the blockchain. This could lead to greater innovation and competition in the industry, as developers work to create more secure and decentralized AI solutions.

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Quote from: FrozenBit on April 06, 2023, 09:22:08 AM

I heard rumors about banning the use of ChatGPT, but it's really not clear. But if this happens, it will certainly have a significant impact on decentralized AI projects. ChatGPT and OpenAI are famous and globally influential AI projects, being banned in one country can become a premise for other countries to start banning them as well. This may affect the feasibility of decentralized AI projects and may lead to difficulty in developing these projects globally. If decentralized AI projects are banned or run into difficulties, there will certainly be outcry and protests from the scientific and engineering communities. However, raising these objections may not be enough to prevent bans on AI projects. It is important to find ways to address privacy and security issues openly and collaboratively, to ensure the sustainable development of AI and related technologies.

I think the reason for most of them is that you can selectively give the data you want. Meaning that if you give it a good data for one political candidate and bad data for another, you can change even some of the discussions as well. I am not saying that's going to happen, or that's the reason, but the data fed into the AI is the main reason, because that makes it centralized and that's the issue.

I personally believe that we could potentially have a proper one in the future, but a decentralized one would be filled with hitler and whatever jokes or doge and memes, which would make it terrible as well, so you gotta do a centralized one without any political or any other type of leaning.

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