The best countries tax wise for Bitcoin

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Quote from: boumalo on January 09, 2024, 06:38:15 PM

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Quote from: boumalo on December 21, 2023, 02:40:37 PM

United Arab Emirates is pretty good!

0% and legal as long as it was not obtained illegally.

In the United Arab Emirates, taxes are included in the standard of living. In these countries, real estate is very expensive, legal services for registering companies, medicine, education and real estate rental are also expensive. 4-5 months of the year it is very hot there, and if you are not used to temperatures of 50 degrees Celsius during the day, then it will be very difficult for you.

Not more than in most big western countries.

Some prices are lower such as construction and home services.

I saw OK flats at 500$/month.

The UAE is an expensive country to live in, and for $500 you won’t get the best apartment to rent. I have not been to Qatar or Bahrain, but I can say that it is cheaper to live in Saudi Arabia if there are no problems with visas. Gasoline prices there are cheaper than in Europe, but the UAE is a good place for a crypto company, although many have moved to Lisbon.

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Quote from: boumalo on February 15, 2022, 02:11:48 PM

January 4th 2022 article, unknown website https://koinly.io/blog/crypto-tax-free-countries/

Can't find the exact number for the crypto tax on this article, most of it is tricks on how to avoid getting taxed on crypto. But I always consider that Indonesia is still generous related to tax, 0.11% for crypto trading plus 0.1% for annual profit. But there are also specific tax for miners on top of those 2 tax, so miners will get doubled (or triple) tax because they get taxed when they store their mined Bitcoin and they will be taxed again when they trade their Bitcoin, and taxed again if they hold their mined Bitcoin and it gain value.

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Quote from: zasad@ on January 03, 2024, 06:20:42 AM

Quote from: boumalo on December 21, 2023, 02:40:37 PM

United Arab Emirates is pretty good!

0% and legal as long as it was not obtained illegally.

In the United Arab Emirates, taxes are included in the standard of living. In these countries, real estate is very expensive, legal services for registering companies, medicine, education and real estate rental are also expensive. 4-5 months of the year it is very hot there, and if you are not used to temperatures of 50 degrees Celsius during the day, then it will be very difficult for you.

Not more than in most big western countries.

Some prices are lower such as construction and home services.

I saw OK flats at 500$/month.

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From the OP's list and being European I would opt for Portugal, Malta, Germany then Switzerland
in order of preference.

I have looked into living in Portugal and Malta based on their Tax conditions to Bitcoin and they are
very favourable ^{well they were when I last checked}. At this stage though I think you
have to be resident there for a year initially to avail of free Tax on crypto, you cant just arrive, liquidate
and not pay Tax.

Other countires to consider are the smallest states in the EU like Andorra and Leichtenstein

Capital gains Tax in Andorra is 10% [not zero but still very low] and when I last checked Leichtenstein
had zero captial gains tax

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Quote from: boumalo on December 21, 2023, 02:40:37 PM

United Arab Emirates is pretty good!

0% and legal as long as it was not obtained illegally.

In the United Arab Emirates, taxes are included in the standard of living. In these countries, real estate is very expensive, legal services for registering companies, medicine, education and real estate rental are also expensive. 4-5 months of the year it is very hot there, and if you are not used to temperatures of 50 degrees Celsius during the day, then it will be very difficult for you.

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Quote from: paid2 on December 24, 2023, 04:46:12 PM

Quote from: tread93 on December 24, 2023, 04:42:15 PM

I know someone from Grand Cayman who is living that tax free lifestyle, thats the way to go! Makes me want to move over to the carribbean! It would certainly be an adventure living in any of these countries wouldn't it! I for one would love to visit all of them, I only wish that the US was this way!

Yeah but what you gain thanks to the lack of taxes, you will lose it because of the cost of living, nope?

Island life is not for everyone and there is not always much to do I heard.

Some tax free countries have bad tax treaties so dividends can get taxed up to 90% from the country of origin of the company. For example if you have shares of a French company and you live in the Bahamas, France taxes 90% of the dividends you get from the company before it reaches you even if you are not a France tax resident.

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Quote from: tread93 on December 24, 2023, 04:42:15 PM

I know someone from Grand Cayman who is living that tax free lifestyle, thats the way to go! Makes me want to move over to the carribbean! It would certainly be an adventure living in any of these countries wouldn't it! I for one would love to visit all of them, I only wish that the US was this way!

Yeah but what you gain thanks to the lack of taxes, you will lose it because of the cost of living, nope?

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I know someone from Grand Cayman who is living that tax free lifestyle, thats the way to go! Makes me want to move over to the carribbean! It would certainly be an adventure living in any of these countries wouldn't it! I for one would love to visit all of them, I only wish that the US was this way!

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United Arab Emirates is pretty good!

0% and legal as long as it was not obtained illegally.

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Quote from: zasad@ on June 18, 2023, 06:00:07 AM

Bulgaria is not a country where it is so safe and comfortable. Many European countries are raising taxes. In Poland, the tax is already 19%, and in a year or a year and a half in European countries there will be almost the same tax. If you are satisfied with such a tax, then this is your choice.

I've lived in most of Bulgaria's main cities, and I can confirm that I feel much safer here than in any Western European country I've ever known (I was born in France, and I've lived in the UK, Germany and Spain). I think anyone who has grown up in Western Europe and then lived in Eastern Europe would agree that insecurity is a very Western thing in Europe.

10% of flat taxes is good for me, I can't think of a better alternative in my personal situation. Perhaps Malta or Gibraltar would be more advantageous, but what I would gain in taxes, I would lose because of the higher cost of living.

I agree that Bulgaria is nice and safe. And cheap, too. I could live there (maybe I will), whereas there are more and more cities in western Europe which I try to avoid as much as I can.

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Quote from: zasad@ on June 18, 2023, 06:00:07 AM

Bulgaria is not a country where it is so safe and comfortable. Many European countries are raising taxes. In Poland, the tax is already 19%, and in a year or a year and a half in European countries there will be almost the same tax. If you are satisfied with such a tax, then this is your choice.

I've lived in most of Bulgaria's main cities, and I can confirm that I feel much safer here than in any Western European country I've ever known (I was born in France, and I've lived in the UK, Germany and Spain). I think anyone who has grown up in Western Europe and then lived in Eastern Europe would agree that insecurity is a very Western thing in Europe.

10% of flat taxes is good for me, I can't think of a better alternative in my personal situation. Perhaps Malta or Gibraltar would be more advantageous, but what I would gain in taxes, I would lose because of the higher cost of living.

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Quote from: paid2 on June 17, 2023, 07:47:36 AM

Bulgaria is a very good compromise for Europeans. There is a flat tax of 10% and you keep the privileges of the European Union. The cost of living is very low, there are jobs in almost every European language in certain fields, and private property is not expensive. That's the choice my wife and I made, but it was made easier by the fact that we're flexible in terms of employment and have no real responsibilities other than ourselves, and that we've already lived in other countries that were more difficult in terms of integration and administration. What convinced me was the cost of electricity, which can be extremely low here with certain contracts, as I have a mining farm.

Slovenia was very pleasant, an incredible living environment, but the laws on taxation of cryptos are becoming disadvantageous, and it is undergoing too much Westernisation unfortunately.

Many people talk about Portugal, but personally, in all my calculations, I would have lost out there because the advantages were only temporary and for certain thresholds.

Bulgaria is not a country where it is so safe and comfortable. Many European countries are raising taxes. In Poland, the tax is already 19%, and in a year or a year and a half in European countries there will be almost the same tax. If you are satisfied with such a tax, then this is your choice.

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on June 17, 2023, 01:47:50 PM

Accusing somebody of being dishonest is quite a way to start a debate, yeah...

Well no, I have not accused you of being dishonest before and anyone can check it by reading my post. Both your answer and the word "dishonest" you use have more to do with a third person than with what I wrote.

For you to answer me like that, I better not talk to you, so welcome to my ignore list.

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But hey, my intention was to debate, not to pose this as a battle with winners and losers.

Accusing somebody of being dishonest is quite a way to start a debate, yeah...

Quote from: Poker Player on June 15, 2023, 11:59:37 PM

Deliberately? You talked about Germany and I answered you talking about Germany, or am I missing something here?

I was talking about your France and Italy examples.

Quote from: paid2 on June 17, 2023, 07:47:36 AM

Bulgaria is a very good compromise for Europeans. There is a flat tax of 10% and you keep the privileges of the European Union. The cost of living is very low, there are jobs in almost every European language in certain fields, and private property is not expensive. That's the choice my wife and I made, but it was made easier by the fact that we're flexible in terms of employment and have no real responsibilities other than ourselves, and that we've already lived in other countries that were more difficult in terms of integration and administration. What convinced me was the cost of electricity, which can be extremely low here with certain contracts, as I have a mining farm.

Slovenia was very pleasant, an incredible living environment, but the laws on taxation of cryptos are becoming disadvantageous, and it is undergoing too much Westernisation unfortunately.

Many people talk about Portugal, but personally, in all my calculations, I would have lost out there because the advantages were only temporary and for certain thresholds.

Nice examples. Afaik Croatia has also interesting laws on crypto taxation.
I'm surprised about what you're telling on Portugal. I guess I'm a bit behind with this, I'll have to research...

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El Salvador seems like a well known name in our crypto circles and doesn't surprise me that this can be considered a crypto haven, but unfortunately nothing much is said about the tax element when it comes to cryprocurrencies like bitcoin.

Another country that seems to be living under the radar definitely has to be the Cayman Islands, too many shell companies seem to be coming from this and am guessing it could be in the lines of tax holidays..

Otherwise, if tax is our main concern then most countries that don't consider Bitcoin legal tender could be a good choice but to play it safe, stick to countries that have legalized or recognized BTC!

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Bulgaria is a very good compromise for Europeans. There is a flat tax of 10% and you keep the privileges of the European Union. The cost of living is very low, there are jobs in almost every European language in certain fields, and private property is not expensive. That's the choice my wife and I made, but it was made easier by the fact that we're flexible in terms of employment and have no real responsibilities other than ourselves, and that we've already lived in other countries that were more difficult in terms of integration and administration. What convinced me was the cost of electricity, which can be extremely low here with certain contracts, as I have a mining farm.

Slovenia was very pleasant, an incredible living environment, but the laws on taxation of cryptos are becoming disadvantageous, and it is undergoing too much Westernisation unfortunately.

Many people talk about Portugal, but personally, in all my calculations, I would have lost out there because the advantages were only temporary and for certain thresholds.

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Quote from: zasad@ on June 16, 2023, 07:27:07 AM

Quote from: countryfree on June 15, 2023, 07:45:46 AM

Quote from: zasad@ on June 15, 2023, 06:46:49 AM

Quote from: Zoomic on June 14, 2023, 06:10:17 PM

Quote from: royalfestus on June 09, 2023, 02:01:25 PM

Nigeria deserves to be on the list because its citizens benefit from minimal taxation through peer-to-peer (P2P) transactions, and an impressive 5.75% of the global cryptocurrency ownership belongs to Nigerians. (According recent word statistics)

I do not even think Nigerians are taxed at all. Nigerians have an easy ride. The country doesn't permit crypto trading with their local banks so there is no how the banks will work out the taxing. So the Nigerians find ways to trade among themselves and using exchanges p2p with paying any form of tax.

If someone is looking for a country with the best tax treatment for bitcoin and cryptocurrencies, then they will probably choose a country with a developed economy and a friendly banking system.
If you need a country where there is no control over cryptocurrency, no taxes, or you have many opportunities not to pay taxes, then this is Russia. In Nigeria, there are no such shadow cryptocurrency markets as in Russia, and no one plans to close this market yet.

Maybe I'm special, but I don't want to live in Russia, nor in Nigeria.
I'd rather choose a country which I like, then find a way to optimize, or evade taxation there.

If you like Europe or the USA, then there are higher taxes on cryptocurrencies than in Russia and Nigeria. You can not evade taxes in Russia and pay 6% taxes, and with your tax return, confirm your income in Turkey or Dubai, if you need it. If you are a tourist, there are still many countries where there is no serious tax control.

I know. I've been taking advantages of those for many years.

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Quote from: zasad@ on June 15, 2023, 06:46:49 AM

Quote from: Zoomic on June 14, 2023, 06:10:17 PM

Quote from: royalfestus on June 09, 2023, 02:01:25 PM

Nigeria deserves to be on the list because its citizens benefit from minimal taxation through peer-to-peer (P2P) transactions, and an impressive 5.75% of the global cryptocurrency ownership belongs to Nigerians. (According recent word statistics)

I do not even think Nigerians are taxed at all. Nigerians have an easy ride. The country doesn't permit crypto trading with their local banks so there is no how the banks will work out the taxing. So the Nigerians find ways to trade among themselves and using exchanges p2p with paying any form of tax.

If someone is looking for a country with the best tax treatment for bitcoin and cryptocurrencies, then they will probably choose a country with a developed economy and a friendly banking system.
If you need a country where there is no control over cryptocurrency, no taxes, or you have many opportunities not to pay taxes, then this is Russia. In Nigeria, there are no such shadow cryptocurrency markets as in Russia, and no one plans to close this market yet.

Maybe I'm special, but I don't want to live in Russia, nor in Nigeria.
I'd rather choose a country which I like, then find a way to optimize, or evade taxation there.

When you said you won't live neither in Russia nor in Nigeria, I would have thought that your reason is that you are looking for a developed and peaceful country which is what many people seek for. Trying to evade tax is against the law and you can be dealt with if caught. It is better you live where you won't be taxed at all in crypto than living where you will put yourself in the extra stress of evading tax which is illegal.

Paying tax is stressful! Being a citizen is even more stressful. That's what I gave up.

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Quote from: countryfree on June 15, 2023, 07:45:46 AM

Quote from: zasad@ on June 15, 2023, 06:46:49 AM

Quote from: Zoomic on June 14, 2023, 06:10:17 PM

Quote from: royalfestus on June 09, 2023, 02:01:25 PM

Nigeria deserves to be on the list because its citizens benefit from minimal taxation through peer-to-peer (P2P) transactions, and an impressive 5.75% of the global cryptocurrency ownership belongs to Nigerians. (According recent word statistics)

I do not even think Nigerians are taxed at all. Nigerians have an easy ride. The country doesn't permit crypto trading with their local banks so there is no how the banks will work out the taxing. So the Nigerians find ways to trade among themselves and using exchanges p2p with paying any form of tax.

If someone is looking for a country with the best tax treatment for bitcoin and cryptocurrencies, then they will probably choose a country with a developed economy and a friendly banking system.
If you need a country where there is no control over cryptocurrency, no taxes, or you have many opportunities not to pay taxes, then this is Russia. In Nigeria, there are no such shadow cryptocurrency markets as in Russia, and no one plans to close this market yet.

Maybe I'm special, but I don't want to live in Russia, nor in Nigeria.
I'd rather choose a country which I like, then find a way to optimize, or evade taxation there.

If you like Europe or the USA, then there are higher taxes on cryptocurrencies than in Russia and Nigeria. You can not evade taxes in Russia and pay 6% taxes, and with your tax return, confirm your income in Turkey or Dubai, if you need it. If you are a tourist, there are still many countries where there is no serious tax control.

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on June 15, 2023, 02:40:52 PM

Not credible and "vain hope"? LOL! You come more than a year later saying that?! A lot changes in a year (do I really have to say that?!)
Back then I did expect that. Meanwhile the things somehow got.. slower, which is a surprise for me.
And, if you read, I wrote "some" countries. A possible short could contain Poland, Croatia, Romania, countries that imho look up to Germany. Especially France is expected to take its own decision (which may or may not be identical to Germany's),

Well no, I hadn't noticed the date, although I could have guessed it, because in this section the threads move much slower.

Quote from: NeuroticFish on June 15, 2023, 02:40:52 PM

hence you deliberately picked at least one poor example.

Deliberately? You talked about Germany and I answered you talking about Germany, or am I missing something here?

Also, as far as I remember, laws favorable to cryptocurrencies already existed years ago, not just a year ago, which is the gap in this thread between your post and my reply. But hey, my intention was to debate, not to pose this as a battle with winners and losers.

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Quote from: countryfree on June 15, 2023, 07:45:46 AM

Quote from: zasad@ on June 15, 2023, 06:46:49 AM

Quote from: Zoomic on June 14, 2023, 06:10:17 PM

Quote from: royalfestus on June 09, 2023, 02:01:25 PM

Nigeria deserves to be on the list because its citizens benefit from minimal taxation through peer-to-peer (P2P) transactions, and an impressive 5.75% of the global cryptocurrency ownership belongs to Nigerians. (According recent word statistics)

I do not even think Nigerians are taxed at all. Nigerians have an easy ride. The country doesn't permit crypto trading with their local banks so there is no how the banks will work out the taxing. So the Nigerians find ways to trade among themselves and using exchanges p2p with paying any form of tax.

If someone is looking for a country with the best tax treatment for bitcoin and cryptocurrencies, then they will probably choose a country with a developed economy and a friendly banking system.
If you need a country where there is no control over cryptocurrency, no taxes, or you have many opportunities not to pay taxes, then this is Russia. In Nigeria, there are no such shadow cryptocurrency markets as in Russia, and no one plans to close this market yet.

Maybe I'm special, but I don't want to live in Russia, nor in Nigeria.
I'd rather choose a country which I like, then find a way to optimize, or evade taxation there.

When you said you won't live neither in Russia nor in Nigeria, I would have thought that your reason is that you are looking for a developed and peaceful country which is what many people seek for. Trying to evade tax is against the law and you can be dealt with if caught. It is better you live where you won't be taxed at all in crypto than living where you will put yourself in the extra stress of evading tax which is illegal.

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