THE BETSOFT SCAM AND HOW THEY HAVE BEEN RIPPING YOU OFF! - page 2.

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Quote from: Shiroslullaby on December 11, 2016, 07:48:47 PM

This is exactly why online gaming needs to be regulated.
If online sites were forced to have their software audited to be provably fair, at least something could be done to protect the players.
As of now you are basically giving money to a business, hoping they aren't cheating you, and hoping they pay you when you win.

That doesn't even begin to get into the subject of the amount of tax that would be generated and the good things that could be done with this money.
(A whole separate reason to regulate online gaming.)

It is not an easy space to regulate, some of these casinos probably operate from countries that half of us have never heard of.

It also brings in questions like how often would you recommend that the sites be regulated and by whom should they be regulated, will you even trust the regulators?

Even if you are gambling on the slots at a casino how do you know they are set to the correct payout percentage?

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This is exactly why online gaming needs to be regulated.
If online sites were forced to have their software audited to be provably fair, at least something could be done to protect the players.
As of now you are basically giving money to a business, hoping they aren't cheating you, and hoping they pay you when you win.

That doesn't even begin to get into the subject of the amount of tax that would be generated and the good things that could be done with this money.
(A whole separate reason to regulate online gaming.)

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Quote from: game-protect on December 11, 2016, 01:57:47 PM

Quote from: veleten on December 11, 2016, 10:17:54 AM

just avoid casinos that are using betsoft software-as simple as that
their reputation has been tarnished and they didn't even bother to reply to all the accusations
and it is not just this forum,google betsoft scam and you will see
https://www.casinolistings.com/news/2016/06/warning-avoid-all-betsoft-slots-and-casino-games
http://www.askgamblers.com/forum/topic/6138-warning-betsoft-games-being-pulled-in-the-wake-of-unpaid-jackpot/

there are dozens of reputable casinos around,vote with your coins and ignore betsoft

Let me add this link, if you do not mind: https://game-protect.com/betsoft-scam/

Here it is explained with proof why Jasonort crystal clear won the Betsoft jackpot!

I think everybody that has followed the glam life story knows that Jasonort won the jackpot, the main question was who owed him the money, Betcoin.ag because it was their site he was playing on and it was them that stuffed up the pay table or BetSoft because it is their progressive jackpot and they should make sure all companies participating advertise the correct winning method.

Whoever was legally responsible i don't know but the player should have received much more than the "settlement" he got.

Quote from: erpbridge on December 11, 2016, 07:21:31 PM

If thats the case, then why do the casino owners still host a lot of their games on betsoft ? As a gambler, I would never opt to play in any of those casinos, and am sure a lot of others feel the same way. So wouldn't hosting games with betsoft anyway be a killer for the casinos ?

After this yes, i would not host Betsoft games anymore.

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Quote from: BoXXoB on December 10, 2016, 01:09:30 PM

Quote from: bitkilo on December 10, 2016, 05:36:34 AM

Quote from: erpbridge on December 10, 2016, 01:35:38 AM

While I have seen a lot of sites offer Betsoft based games, but are they actually provably fair these days or do they just expect us to trust them? Haven't played in a while but back in 2014 they did not have provably fair. Obviously never trusted them since.

None of the slot machines offered by Betsoft that i know of are provably fair, they are run on RTP (return to player) , a system that works but it must be audited often to check the return percentage is set correctly and not being tempered with.

Many people seem to confuse provably fair with RTP. A common thing but also an unfortunate one. Luckily the forum helps clear out most or the confusion.

If thats the case, then why do the casino owners still host a lot of their games on betsoft ? As a gambler, I would never opt to play in any of those casinos, and am sure a lot of others feel the same way. So wouldn't hosting games with betsoft anyway be a killer for the casinos ?

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Quote from: veleten on December 11, 2016, 10:17:54 AM

just avoid casinos that are using betsoft software-as simple as that
their reputation has been tarnished and they didn't even bother to reply to all the accusations
and it is not just this forum,google betsoft scam and you will see
https://www.casinolistings.com/news/2016/06/warning-avoid-all-betsoft-slots-and-casino-games
http://www.askgamblers.com/forum/topic/6138-warning-betsoft-games-being-pulled-in-the-wake-of-unpaid-jackpot/

there are dozens of reputable casinos around,vote with your coins and ignore betsoft

Let me add this link, if you do not mind: https://game-protect.com/betsoft-scam/

Here it is explained with proof why Jasonort crystal clear won the Betsoft jackpot!

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just avoid casinos that are using betsoft software-as simple as that
their reputation has been tarnished and they didn't even bother to reply to all the accusations
and it is not just this forum,google betsoft scam and you will see
https://www.casinolistings.com/news/2016/06/warning-avoid-all-betsoft-slots-and-casino-games
http://www.askgamblers.com/forum/topic/6138-warning-betsoft-games-being-pulled-in-the-wake-of-unpaid-jackpot/

there are dozens of reputable casinos around,vote with your coins and ignore betsoft

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Quote from: Superhitech on December 10, 2016, 01:22:09 AM

Quote from: game-protect on December 07, 2016, 12:52:59 AM

Quote from: energycr on December 06, 2016, 10:31:34 PM

I have heard of them scamming players from their winnings since last summer.
I am surprised that their operation hasn't been shut down yet. Angry

Shut down where and by whom?

Did you read his original comment? He is surprised that betsoft hasn't shut down, which means that betsoft hasn't been shut down yet.

Yes, I read his post and ask him where and by whom Betsoft should have been shut down? If you even do not know who should shut them down, how could you surprised that Betsoft is not shut down?

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Quote from: bitkilo on December 10, 2016, 05:36:34 AM

Quote from: erpbridge on December 10, 2016, 01:35:38 AM

While I have seen a lot of sites offer Betsoft based games, but are they actually provably fair these days or do they just expect us to trust them? Haven't played in a while but back in 2014 they did not have provably fair. Obviously never trusted them since.

None of the slot machines offered by Betsoft that i know of are provably fair, they are run on RTP (return to player) , a system that works but it must be audited often to check the return percentage is set correctly and not being tempered with.

Many people seem to confuse provably fair with RTP. A common thing but also an unfortunate one. Luckily the forum helps clear out most or the confusion.

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Quote from: erpbridge on December 10, 2016, 01:35:38 AM

While I have seen a lot of sites offer Betsoft based games, but are they actually provably fair these days or do they just expect us to trust them? Haven't played in a while but back in 2014 they did not have provably fair. Obviously never trusted them since.

More and more casinos are running betsoft games because they are easily rigged. Google betsoft rigged and you will see betsoft has a history of this going back many many years.

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Quote from: erpbridge on December 10, 2016, 01:35:38 AM

While I have seen a lot of sites offer Betsoft based games, but are they actually provably fair these days or do they just expect us to trust them? Haven't played in a while but back in 2014 they did not have provably fair. Obviously never trusted them since.

None of the slot machines offered by Betsoft that i know of are provably fair, they are run on RTP (return to player) , a system that works but it must be audited often to check the return percentage is set correctly and not being tempered with.

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While I have seen a lot of sites offer Betsoft based games, but are they actually provably fair these days or do they just expect us to trust them? Haven't played in a while but back in 2014 they did not have provably fair. Obviously never trusted them since.

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Quote from: game-protect on December 07, 2016, 12:52:59 AM

Quote from: energycr on December 06, 2016, 10:31:34 PM

I have heard of them scamming players from their winnings since last summer.
I am surprised that their operation hasn't been shut down yet. Angry

Shut down where and by whom?

Did you read his original comment? He is surprised that betsoft hasn't shut down, which means that betsoft hasn't been shut down yet.

Quote from: Zenzolina on December 06, 2016, 03:21:16 PM

I do not prefer betsoft but your story is full of bullshit. You cannot hit jackpot during free spins. Im playing Megafortune (netent) for 2 years now and never hit a jackpot. Does that mean its rigged? Where the fuck would they be if they give jackpot to every donk who spends $10 in a casino

There's a lot of evidence behind this, check this out: http://vegasclick.com/online/betsoft-jackpot-issue

Also, they failed to pay out a progressive jackpot using the excuse that the winning spin occurred during a bonus round.

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Quote from: energycr on December 06, 2016, 10:31:34 PM

I have heard of them scamming players from their winnings since last summer.
I am surprised that their operation hasn't been shut down yet. Angry

Shut down where and by whom?

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I have heard of them scamming players from their winnings since last summer.
I am surprised that their operation hasn't been shut down yet. Angry

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I do not prefer betsoft but your story is full of bullshit. You cannot hit jackpot during free spins. Im playing Megafortune (netent) for 2 years now and never hit a jackpot. Does that mean its rigged? Where the fuck would they be if they give jackpot to every donk who spends $10 in a casino

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This thread is very helpful i heard that before that BETSOFT games not actually provably fair.. someone already hit a jackpot and win a large amount but they are not give the winning amount because they are change the terms or he did not notice the rule.
But now i can say that the game from betsoft is almost all nor provably fair and better to stay away..

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thank for warning the community, these scams should be avoided completely and barred from gambling. They prey on the vulnerable and people with gambling disorders. Shame on them for having such a rigged game. I think everyone should not play until it is fixed.

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Quote from: oxygen88 on December 06, 2016, 05:32:03 AM

wow so judging from the story, the person who hit the 5 yacht jackpot did not receive the winnings due to being free spins, that is really bad though to deny the winnings of a player.

betsoft got a terrible reputation, there were so many gambler scam by it, the worst case is the case where betsoft refuse to paid the person that hit 5 yacht, the winning is more than 1 million dollars, and because of that case betcoin.ag also got negative reputation and up until now betsoft keep on avoiding the responsibility

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wow so judging from the story, the person who hit the 5 yacht jackpot did not receive the winnings due to being free spins, that is really bad though to deny the winnings of a player.

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