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Topic: The Bitcoin environment seems toxic right now... has it felt like this before? - page 4. (Read 11044 times)

legendary
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It is a great time to buy some BTC (and alts too), as long as you have more money ready for even lower prices (if/when those come)

Yes. I also think altcoins are now beginning to complete with bitcoin for mainstream news coverage. Evidently there are many hidden gems that are practically undiscovered and just waiting to break out on a massive uptrend.

http://altcoinpress.com/2014/03/dogecoins-ben-doernberg-wows-fox-news/

This Ben Doernberg guy explains one possible version of the future quite well. I think he's right on the money.
hero member
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The people who believe it will go to the moon are not the people who can take it there. Bitcoin's userbase must constantly grow, and it does, at an exponential speed.

Do we have any data since the Mt.Gox blowup to confirm or deny whether the adoption rate was affected by the major hit on Bitcoin's reputation?

Feels to me we might be in a lull waiting for some major exchange(s) to comply with some new government monitoring of reserve ratios or something. Something that would signal to the masses that Bitcoin is safe for them.

The exponential growth in bitcoin users is just a result of people hearing about bitcoins and having enough time to think about investing in them. The paradigm might change when we hit the "chasm" at about 2.5% of the population. Currently we only have 0.1% of the population so it will grow regardless. The "masses" are not yet involved in 2014.

I think that would be correct, except the 0.1% seems too high (my guesstimate is 0.01-0.03% based on the prior analysis I did of your counting methods and also the Bitcoin market cap is not within an order-of-magnitude of that share of global net worth which is $250+ trillion). Most people coming in are investors and they will be motivated by potential gains. So the longer we are below trendline, the more rocket fuel has been loaded.

How much can the investment grow without a commensurate adoption for real commerce?

The chasm is an interesting concept. Because I was thinking that when we get to 100 million (1.5%) there should be great incentive for global (e.g. internet) merchants to cater to the large global market, so it should catapult from there. There may be a chasm (for those not coming in primarily as investors, i.e. the masses) where the 100 million or so are too spread out globally to drive merchants which tend to be more local in scope.

Thus I think the key is going to be some way of using crypto-currency in trade for something online that is very popular (because it can have global scope and the chasm won't be diluted by physical sparseness). I specifically have a business model in mind for this, w.r.t. to social networking. If I am correct to assume anonymity will be required for this, then Bitcoin isn't it. I am still evaluating this, so I am not sure about that.

Btw, Nadeem called this crash to $500 back in November and is calling for below $100 someday:

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article43420.html
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/article44455.html

Quote from: Nadeem
bottom line is that bitcoins never matched the hype for transactions are NOT anonymous and it IS heavily manipulated by a handful of mining pools so is not decentralised as today ordinary people cannot muster the processing power required to mine for bitcoins.

He can only be correct if we've already saturated investor adoption. I doubt it.
donator
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this removal of newbie section, removed the filter that was helping to reduce random comments of panic, scamming and offtopic ramblings
Makes me wish this forum was set up like Reddit with upvoting

/r/bitcoin isn't much different, though
sr. member
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The main problem with Bitcoin is the lack of a safe, reliable, simple, user-friendly infrastructure that allows the Average Joe to buy, sell and use bitcoins for his everyday purchasing needs. We can't expect the Average Joe to learn how to use paper wallets, brain wallets and the like. There must be a user-friendly infrastructure in place before Bitcoin can start to take off and eventually reach mainstream adoption. There must be trusted third parties.
hero member
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Perhaps it's just the forums, but I feel like there's a lot of negative vibes coming from BTC right now. 
I've following Bitcoin and mining for a while but never bothered with forums until recently.  Is this common amongst forum-goers or is it really just Bitcoin in general?


If 10 things happens, of which 9 are positive and 1 is negative, the press will be all over the negative thing.

This can create an environment where seemingly bitcoin is painted in a bad light, however, if you go beneath the negative press, you will see all the positive development that is taking place.

http://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoin

if you read that subreddit daily, you will see there's not just negativity, but also a lot of positive things happening.
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I guess the fun and excitement you always have in a innovative environment is wearing off. Lots of people who does not understand the revolutionary aspects of the technology are swarming around. Some even seems to think the bubble is the whole point. I guess its time to frequent these forums a bit less and start making more decentralizing software  Cry
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https://youtu.be/PZm8TTLR2NU
What if resistance is logarithmic?
What if AnonyMint is a bankster shill?
legendary
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I knew there was a use for that Ignore button... Wink
legendary
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Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political
The whole system is now contrived on blinded optimism, speculation, HYPE and well written articles.
Truth is their is nothing revolutionary about a file transfer.

Obviously you have no comprehension of what bitcoin is or why it's revolutionary if you think it's a file transfer.  

Correct it is not just file transfer. It is a decentralized consensus (on transfer or any action we choose to put in the block chain) without needing to trust any one. It solved the Byzantine General's problem (was an unsolved problem known since 1975 at least).

But I don't think that was mattboldfield's main thrust. I think he was saying that Bitcoin (at least in its current state) isn't going to appeal to the masses. And I agreed in prior posts as follows:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5741903 <--- this one is most concise
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5818947
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5736229
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5775371
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5718375 <--- is adoption peaking?

I wasn't talking to you  Anonymint.  
But while we are on the topic:

We get that you don't like Bitcoin.  Yet you've made over 3000 posts here and continue on your crusade.  So either you have an agenda or you're just addicted to debating with a community you don't support.  

Go for it.  I won't respond to your foolishness any more.  You've already painted yourself into a corner, and others will continue to point out your follies.

I will leave you with a final thought:
Chinese proverb:  "A person is not wise simply because one talks a lot."


legendary
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A Great Time to Start Something!
We have had this kind of toxicity before many many times

OP doesn't know what toxic is.

This gives us a chance to remind people of something important:
The Bitcoin project is exciting and better days are still ahead.
member
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The whole system is now contrived on blinded optimism, speculation, HYPE and well written articles.
Truth is their is nothing revolutionary about a file transfer.
Its a novel idea but people aren't stupidly going to stop using fiat like what they have been for centuries to save a few bucks on TX fees.

People also need that feeling of ownership, virtual currency of course can never offer this.
My argument here is that the whole idea is to eventually convert it to cash is it not?
Now, if that wasn't your cup of tea, the services/merchants that accept bitcoin are just as ridiculous and not much the same, as 4 years ago. The same reason I originally stopped mining.
Just look at the calling for story's of business accepting bitcoin.

Sadly the game rules are: To make any profit in this game, you sell your bitcoin to those caught up in the Hype. Heyyyy, Ponzi!

Bitcoin got its foot in the door of the worlds attention with the Chinese spike.
But as that is no longer the case, it is standing on its own two feet and beginning to kneel.
Greed has destroyed bitcoin, as well as hackers. Its original concepts have been long lost. But when the giant farms go bust, poetic justice will have been served. But pity the environment, same old human story!

Bitcoin has had more than 4 years to establish itself as a real currency/commodity. Sadly, it just simply is not going to happen, but a million forum users will tell you otherwise!
I'm not even going to elaborate on wallet failures. Myself and a friend also have had attacks from rogue mods on this site.

A smart man would be getting out now, if not a month ago, and come back in a month or two once things clarify more. But it is only human nature to dream!



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hero member
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The whole system is now contrived on blinded optimism, speculation, HYPE and well written articles.
Truth is their is nothing revolutionary about a file transfer.

Obviously you have no comprehension of what bitcoin is or why it's revolutionary if you think it's a file transfer.  

Correct it is not just file transfer. It is a decentralized consensus (on transfer or any action we choose to put in the block chain) without needing to trust any one. It solved the Byzantine General's problem (was an unsolved problem known since 1975 at least).

But I don't think that was mattboldfield's main thrust. I think he was saying that Bitcoin (at least in its current state) isn't going to appeal to the masses. And I agreed in prior posts as follows:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5741903 <--- this one is most concise
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5818947
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5736229
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5775371
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5718375 <--- will adoption peak at 100 million?
hero member
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better everyday ♥
I'm thinking if the environment were really toxic, we'd be in single digits by now.

The recent price decline can be traced by a false leak by Sina Weibo (Chinese Twitter) that Bitcoin was completely banned in China:

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“It is rumored that on March 18th the PBOC had issued a notice calling for all bitcoin transactions to be halted by April 15th. As of today the PBOC has not confirmed nor denied the statement.”

The PBOC later retracted this statement:

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The report by certain media that PBOC has issued a document as of 3/18, requesting all bitcoin transactions be halted by 4/15' is in error. The attitude of the PBOC towards bitcoin has been clearly stated by the [5th December] document issued by the PBOC and five other agencies.
legendary
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OP doesn't know what toxic is.
legendary
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Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political
The whole system is now contrived on blinded optimism, speculation, HYPE and well written articles.
Truth is their is nothing revolutionary about a file transfer.

Obviously you have no comprehension of what bitcoin is or why it's revolutionary if you think it's a file transfer. 
sr. member
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Yeah I am thinking maybe as low as $250-$300 before the recovery begins.  

People have been writing that exact sentence for the last 8 months.

If we didn't hit $250 after Gox failure, China "ban", Thailand "ban", Russia "ban", Shrem arrest, .......... we aren't going to hit $250 later.

Period.  Stop waiting to buy, and buy.

-B-

I am buying and mining small amounts every week. I don't have the fiat funds to jump in with both feet just yet but I do have some skin in the game now and will keep adding. 
hero member
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We have had this kind of toxicity before many many times
hero member
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Pure speculation, probably meaningless...

What if resistance is logarithmic?



That looks eerily similar to the chart of silver from the breakdown since 2011 $48 peak.
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no it is always like this.
enjoy ! :|
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