The BitcoinCard : Vienna, Austria Workshop - page 4.

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Quote from: REF on June 11, 2012, 11:44:22 PM

I wonder how good they weather. I work a mile from where I live I wonder if I could tap them to trees to reach from my office to my house. Making a mesh around my house would be great & cool to experiment with.

Considering that they use only a solar cell for power, just put one into a ziplock bag and tape it down to the top of objects that pedestrians cannot see above. Like the roof of a bus shelter, or the top of a vending machine. If they are cheap enough, it doesn't much matter if someone eventually finds them. By the time your's go bad or are stolen, either the mesh network would be self-sustaining or it likely will never be.

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Quote from: REF on June 11, 2012, 11:44:22 PM

I could see kids in schools using the texting feature 6-10 kids would be enough to create a mesh in the entire building.

Not unless it's a small school, and the kids are evenly spaced and don't move. Something closer to 30 would be required to maintain a mesh network for any school that I've attended, with a radio radius of 100 meters. Wifi can get 100 meters in open air space, but 2.45 Ghz is a crappy frequency choice for a mesh. Without changing the protocol or peak-power, just switching to 433 Mhz would double the effective range due to the lower background noise level & reduced sensitivity to attenuation by hydrogen containing mass. Wifi doesn't use 433mhz mostly because the band is too narrow for such wideband tech.

I wish, at least, I knew what frequency this device used. That would tell me much about how well I could extend ranges. A single dongle may only have a radius of 100 meters, but three of them using 120 degree wide panel antennas on a pole can cover 2-3 times that radius under ideal conditions. 2.45 Ghz would not be an ideal condition, however.

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Quote from: MoonShadow on June 11, 2012, 10:24:43 PM

Quote from: Bitcoin Oz on June 11, 2012, 07:33:49 PM

If I can use it to txt my kids at school and send them lunch money at the same time that would be awesome Cheesy

Amen, brother. I had decided long ago that a meshable device for texting is worth much just for that. Give them to my daughter and her friends, and let them go at it. 100meters is kinda poor for the purpose, though. Definately not a Dash7 device.

I wonder how good they weather. I work a mile from where I live I wonder if I could tap them to trees to reach from my office to my house. Making a mesh around my house would be great & cool to experiment with.

I could see kids in schools using the texting feature 6-10 kids would be enough to create a mesh in the entire building.

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Quote from: 2112 on June 11, 2012, 05:56:43 PM

Quote from: Yankee (BitInstant) on June 11, 2012, 01:21:34 PM

The device can run 1 month on 1 full solar charge.
The device has a 100-200 meter range outdoors and 50-100 indoors.

Oh, the warm smell of the claims of extrardinary radio performance. It is almost as seductive as the warm smell of colitas.

For the people interested in other claims of extraordiary radio performance:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_minimum-shift_keying
http://www.vmsk.org/
http://www.ka9q.net/vmsk/

Too bad all the good links about Pixelon are gone from the Internet.

Perhaps its something like IEEE 802.15.4. And running 1 month with the radio/display/etc off. If you see pictures of the actual device its a lot simpler than presented in the video.

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Quote from: cbeast on June 11, 2012, 10:58:29 PM

Quote from: LightRider on June 11, 2012, 09:38:17 PM

Quote from: Bitcoin Oz on June 11, 2012, 08:09:54 PM

Quote from: apetersson on June 11, 2012, 08:04:45 PM

Quote from: Bitcoin Oz on June 11, 2012, 07:49:55 PM

What could go wrong with a crazy russian oligarch funding a bitcoin device ?

The way I understand it, is he is really fed up with Banks and Central Banks behaving badly. He is realizing Fiat currencies purchasing power is going to 0. He wants to spur Bitcoin adoption by bringing Bitcoin to retail. Plus he had this great hardware device developed for a long time which fits the Bitcoin usecase very well.

The bitcoincard and the ellet is like watching the space race all over again Cheesy

I think exploring meatspace this soon is kind of jumping the gun. Bitcoin is a digital currency, and wants to live in the digital world. I don't think we have a digital ecosystem robust enough to support it in real world transactions just yet. I'm glad that the work is at least being started, but there is still a lot of work to be done on the protocol, the clients, security and usecase exploration.

I agree, we still haven't really developed smartphone apps enough to really show what Bitcoin can do. Web and smartphone apps should be the main priority for awhile. Bitcoincard is awesome, but maybe too soon to bring to market.

Those can be your priorities. Let others focus on their priorities. I have a lot of personal reasons to want a secure offline bitcoin device, and I have a lot of personal reasons to want a meshable & service free practial means of near-space texting. Again, 100 meters isn't enough, but imagine if I had a dozen of these devices & gave each of them to people that I was traveling to a concert with. Or a ball game. Just the ability to send a text to my kids headed to the conessions stand "cancel the chips, I want a hot dog" or "cancel the entire order, halftime is over, get back" or using the location features, after one child telss me that his sister's purse was snatched, I could potentially track it up to a point.

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Quote from: LightRider on June 11, 2012, 09:38:17 PM

Quote from: Bitcoin Oz on June 11, 2012, 08:09:54 PM

Quote from: apetersson on June 11, 2012, 08:04:45 PM

Quote from: Bitcoin Oz on June 11, 2012, 07:49:55 PM

What could go wrong with a crazy russian oligarch funding a bitcoin device ?

The way I understand it, is he is really fed up with Banks and Central Banks behaving badly. He is realizing Fiat currencies purchasing power is going to 0. He wants to spur Bitcoin adoption by bringing Bitcoin to retail. Plus he had this great hardware device developed for a long time which fits the Bitcoin usecase very well.

The bitcoincard and the ellet is like watching the space race all over again Cheesy

I think exploring meatspace this soon is kind of jumping the gun. Bitcoin is a digital currency, and wants to live in the digital world. I don't think we have a digital ecosystem robust enough to support it in real world transactions just yet. I'm glad that the work is at least being started, but there is still a lot of work to be done on the protocol, the clients, security and usecase exploration.

I agree, we still haven't really developed smartphone apps enough to really show what Bitcoin can do. Web and smartphone apps should be the main priority for awhile. Bitcoincard is awesome, but maybe too soon to bring to market.

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Quote from: Bitcoin Oz on June 11, 2012, 07:49:55 PM

Quote from: sethsethseth on June 11, 2012, 07:37:22 PM

The website doesn't say much about the business model. Who do they want to market this to, and how will it be marketed? The features of this product are fantastic. I am just having trouble figuring out which groups of people benefit the most from it.

What could go wrong with a crazy russian oligarch funding a bitcoin device ?

Is Alex² really Russian, or is that entirely a joke?

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Quote from: Bitcoin Oz on June 11, 2012, 07:33:49 PM

If I can use it to txt my kids at school and send them lunch money at the same time that would be awesome Cheesy

Amen, brother. I had decided long ago that a meshable device for texting is worth much just for that. Give them to my daughter and her friends, and let them go at it. 100meters is kinda poor for the purpose, though. Definately not a Dash7 device.

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Quote from: Bitcoin Oz on June 11, 2012, 08:09:54 PM

Quote from: apetersson on June 11, 2012, 08:04:45 PM

Quote from: Bitcoin Oz on June 11, 2012, 07:49:55 PM

What could go wrong with a crazy russian oligarch funding a bitcoin device ?

The way I understand it, is he is really fed up with Banks and Central Banks behaving badly. He is realizing Fiat currencies purchasing power is going to 0. He wants to spur Bitcoin adoption by bringing Bitcoin to retail. Plus he had this great hardware device developed for a long time which fits the Bitcoin usecase very well.

The bitcoincard and the ellet is like watching the space race all over again Cheesy

I think exploring meatspace this soon is kind of jumping the gun. Bitcoin is a digital currency, and wants to live in the digital world. I don't think we have a digital ecosystem robust enough to support it in real world transactions just yet. I'm glad that the work is at least being started, but there is still a lot of work to be done on the protocol, the clients, security and usecase exploration.

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Quote from: apetersson on June 11, 2012, 08:04:45 PM

Quote from: Bitcoin Oz on June 11, 2012, 07:49:55 PM

What could go wrong with a crazy russian oligarch funding a bitcoin device ?

The way I understand it, is he is really fed up with Banks and Central Banks behaving badly. He is realizing Fiat currencies purchasing power is going to 0. He wants to spur Bitcoin adoption by bringing Bitcoin to retail. Plus he had this great hardware device developed for a long time which fits the Bitcoin usecase very well.

The bitcoincard and the ellet is like watching the space race all over again Cheesy

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Quote from: Bitcoin Oz on June 11, 2012, 07:49:55 PM

What could go wrong with a crazy russian oligarch funding a bitcoin device ?

The way I understand it, is he is really fed up with Banks and Central Banks behaving badly. He is realizing Fiat currencies purchasing power is going to 0. He wants to spur Bitcoin adoption by bringing Bitcoin to retail. Plus he had this great hardware device developed for a long time which fits the Bitcoin usecase very well.

Bitcoin Oz

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Hopefully the Ellet and the bitcoincard can communicate...now that would be an interesting market dynamic...

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Quote from: sethsethseth on June 11, 2012, 07:37:22 PM

The website doesn't say much about the business model. Who do they want to market this to, and how will it be marketed? The features of this product are fantastic. I am just having trouble figuring out which groups of people benefit the most from it.

What could go wrong with a crazy russian oligarch funding a bitcoin device ?

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The website doesn't say much about the business model. Who do they want to market this to, and how will it be marketed? The features of this product are fantastic. I am just having trouble figuring out which groups of people benefit the most from it.

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Wat

If I can use it to txt my kids at school and send them lunch money at the same time that would be awesome Cheesy

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Quote from: 2112 on June 11, 2012, 05:56:43 PM

Quote from: Yankee (BitInstant) on June 11, 2012, 01:21:34 PM

The device can run 1 month on 1 full solar charge.
The device has a 100-200 meter range outdoors and 50-100 indoors.

Oh, the warm smell of the claims of extrardinary radio performance. It is almost as seductive as the warm smell of colitas.

For the people interested in other claims of extraordiary radio performance:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_minimum-shift_keying
http://www.vmsk.org/
http://www.ka9q.net/vmsk/

Too bad all the good links about Pixelon are gone from the Internet.

The protocol is very noise resistant and very low bandwidth.

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Quote from: Yankee (BitInstant) on June 11, 2012, 01:21:34 PM

The device can run 1 month on 1 full solar charge.
The device has a 100-200 meter range outdoors and 50-100 indoors.

Oh, the warm smell of the claims of extrardinary radio performance. It is almost as seductive as the warm smell of colitas.

For the people interested in other claims of extraordiary radio performance:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_minimum-shift_keying
http://www.vmsk.org/
http://www.ka9q.net/vmsk/

Too bad all the good links about Pixelon are gone from the Internet.

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Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.

I've been emailing with with Mr. Ioscko. I don't think you're going to get much from them, but I have a feeling they will have some big things planned soon.

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All in all this sounds pretty amazing!
Alex Squared, as Charlie calls them, should join our forum so we can pick their brains directly Grin

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Quote from: World on June 11, 2012, 03:46:38 PM

In the future will everything be open source exclusive for bitcoin network?
Can the USB dongle work on all cross-platform ?

If they're asking for NDAs, I don't believe it's going to be open source. But it would be interesting, for them and for their customers, if they make at least the protocol open, so that different implementations can talk with it.

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