Because I hate to see the othe China Hype Threads getting all the love.
Topic: The China Hype Fades Away (Read 8357 times)
Because I hate to see the othe China Hype Threads getting all the love.
Do you guys know how Chinese fought for the gold price downturn? Especially many many grandpas and grandmas...
If we can teach them bitcoins are better than gold, then you will laugh to wake.
Good luck with teaching the grandpas and grandmas what Bitcoin is, helping them with the hassle of downloading a 10gb blockchain and persuading them to buy something that does not really exist. The Chinese people in the last generation are very conservative and undereducated, they still believe in the lies from the CCP and chairman Mao, do you really expect them to buy a Bitcoin? Yes, but only when the CCP or chairman Mao asks them.If we can teach them bitcoins are better than gold, then you will laugh to wake.
First of all -- they do not need to download any blockchain.
Second of all -- trading in China is surprisingly easy, with numerous instantaneous fiat transfer methods that are better than wire transfer.
Thirdly -- these very same "uneducated grandmas and grandpas" right now spend their days in front of computer screens trading high-risk stocks. Seriously, a huge proportion of them are in on the trading game, purely for speculation -- far more than the west.
Finally -- they generally love a good gamble.
Don't get me wrong -- I don't think there is any effect on the price from China, I believe it is largely made up hyperbole.
But don't misrepresent China.
Trading in China is as easy as their government banning bitcoin.
There are dividend payouts investing in stocks, stock market is not a zero-sum game, everyone could benefit. Bitcoin is a negative sum game(deducting the commission fee) which should be a lot more risky, it is basically a gamble as you mentioned.
Don't get me wrong -- I don't think there shouldn't be any effect on the price, people being stupid would buy the hype and push up the price
it is still showing 20+k of search queries per day = 600k per month. A quick check on adwords told me that the GLOBAL MONTHLY search for the keyword "Bitcoin" is just above a million.
Do you guys know how Chinese fought for the gold price downturn? Especially many many grandpas and grandmas...
If we can teach them bitcoins are better than gold, then you will laugh to wake.
Good luck with teaching the grandpas and grandmas what Bitcoin is, helping them with the hassle of downloading a 10gb blockchain and persuading them to buy something that does not really exist. The Chinese people in the last generation are very conservative and undereducated, they still believe in the lies from the CCP and chairman Mao, do you really expect them to buy a Bitcoin? Yes, but only when the CCP or chairman Mao asks them.If we can teach them bitcoins are better than gold, then you will laugh to wake.
First of all -- they do not need to download any blockchain.
Second of all -- trading in China is surprisingly easy, with numerous instantaneous fiat transfer methods that are better than wire transfer.
Thirdly -- these very same "uneducated grandmas and grandpas" right now spend their days in front of computer screens trading high-risk stocks. Seriously, a huge proportion of them are in on the trading game, purely for speculation -- far more than the west.
Finally -- they generally love a good gamble.
Don't get me wrong -- I don't think there is any effect on the price from China, I believe it is largely made up hyperbole.
But don't misrepresent China.
Do you guys know how Chinese fought for the gold price downturn? Especially many many grandpas and grandmas...
If we can teach them bitcoins are better than gold, then you will laugh to wake.
Good luck with teaching the grandpas and grandmas what Bitcoin is, helping them with the hassle of downloading a 10gb blockchain and persuading them to buy something that does not really exist. The Chinese people in the last generation are very conservative and undereducated, they still believe in the lies from the CCP and chairman Mao, do you really expect them to buy a Bitcoin? Yes, but only when the CCP or chairman Mao asks them. If we can teach them bitcoins are better than gold, then you will laugh to wake.
Do you guys know how Chinese fought for the gold price downturn? Especially many many grandpas and grandmas...
If we can teach them bitcoins are better than gold, then you will laugh to wake.
If we can teach them bitcoins are better than gold, then you will laugh to wake.
China hype fades away... maybe... Price looks fine though.
About 3 new China BTC exchanges have been launched in the past week. Should give you some idea of the interest.
And the best one is yet to launch ;-) Link is probably being announced tomorrow -- PM me if you want a preview.
About 3 new China BTC exchanges have been launched in the past week. Should give you some idea of the interest.
And the best one is yet to launch ;-) Link is probably being announced tomorrow -- PM me if you want a preview.
ITT everyone acts like thousands of people weren't just burned by a massive bubble that still hasn't fully corrected, and the "new" Asian investors aren't able to see this and act with extreme caution (or take no action at all).
+1 Are you kidding?
It's been 6 days, everyone who downloaded the wallet, they probably still have another good 8 months until the blockchain finishes downloading. Hang in there, the China wave is coming, and it will be huge!
It's been 6 days, everyone who downloaded the wallet, they probably still have another good 8 months until the blockchain finishes downloading. Hang in there, the China wave is coming, and it will be huge!
This... this is hypnotic. I've been watching it now for 5 about minutes straight. In not entirely unrelated news, I have the weirdest boner right now.
I know right!!! This chick is so hot I almost put a sell order instead of a buy order!
Congrats! This thread has now surpassed Please stop with the China hype in page views, making it the second most viewed thread with the words China and Hype in the title! Look out, For those who still doubt China is a hype, your days are numbered!!!
That too 
ITT everyone acts like thousands of people weren't just burned by a massive bubble that still hasn't fully corrected, and the "new" Asian investors aren't able to see this and act with extreme caution (or take no action at all).
ITT: People trying to manipulate price*
ITT everyone acts like thousands of people weren't just burned by a massive bubble that still hasn't fully corrected, and the "new" Asian investors aren't able to see this and act with extreme caution (or take no action at all).
Obviously nothing amazing was going to come of it instantly. Give it some time fella's.
Speak for yourself, I am still pumped.
China has more Bitcoin mining going on than any other country. Looks pretty popular to me.
http://blockchain.info/nodes-globe
http://blockchain.info/nodes-globe
Are you kidding?
It's been 6 days, everyone who downloaded the wallet, they probably still have another good 8 months until the blockchain finishes downloading. Hang in there, the China wave is coming, and it will be huge!
It's been 6 days, everyone who downloaded the wallet, they probably still have another good 8 months until the blockchain finishes downloading. Hang in there, the China wave is coming, and it will be huge!
This... this is hypnotic. I've been watching it now for 5 about minutes straight. In not entirely unrelated news, I have the weirdest boner right now.
boners on the rise, BTCh falling....
The feeling I get is more Chinese will mine BTC rather than purchase it outright. esp at these current prices. so, most likely lots more BTC going into circulation. we will have to see, wont we.
China is coming... the quote below is what its like to really invest. Especially a year ago when (like China now) service was thinner.
tl;dr: It takes a month+ to do more then just stick your toe in.
tl;dr: It takes a month+ to do more then just stick your toe in.
I also think that a lot of you old timers mis-estimate the time and effort it takes for a noobie to bootstrap. It goes something like this:
1. Read about it, overcome the negative stigma that comes with SR, gambling, etc.
2. Make a small investment using bitinstant (edit: or direct person 2 person, etc)
3. Learn a ton about the banking system, chargebacks, how FED creates $.
4. Ask all the noobie questions "why can't someone just [print more bitcoins, steal your wallet, turn off the network, make it illegal]". What's it backed by anyway? :-)
5. Read enough about it to stress about all the scammers hacked wallets and failed exchanges, etc.
6. Start the KYC process with an exchange that has about 5000 totally obscure and difficult to use ways to deposit money.
7. Tortuously move small chunks of fiat into the exchange
8. start buying
9. freak out about failed exchanges, possibility of USB stick failure, etc
10. start looking at paper/brain wallets
11. Get your head around the idea of actually holding your own money somewhere
12. Create isolated new install VM to make a paper wallet. You can't outsource this to some client-side web script (if you really want a secure wallet)!
13. TEST the paper wallet concept (requires an entire blockchain sync from scratch).
14. KYC finally comes through!
15. DAMMIT price has doubled :-)
This was my path anyway...
For HNWIs its got to happen with both them AND their advisor (who's gonna do all the work).
So people who might have gotten interested in bitcoin during the Euro financial uncertainty may just now be starting to move from a few hundred BTC trial investment to an actual acquisition strategy.
1. Read about it, overcome the negative stigma that comes with SR, gambling, etc.
2. Make a small investment using bitinstant (edit: or direct person 2 person, etc)
3. Learn a ton about the banking system, chargebacks, how FED creates $.
4. Ask all the noobie questions "why can't someone just [print more bitcoins, steal your wallet, turn off the network, make it illegal]". What's it backed by anyway? :-)
5. Read enough about it to stress about all the scammers hacked wallets and failed exchanges, etc.
6. Start the KYC process with an exchange that has about 5000 totally obscure and difficult to use ways to deposit money.
7. Tortuously move small chunks of fiat into the exchange
8. start buying
9. freak out about failed exchanges, possibility of USB stick failure, etc
10. start looking at paper/brain wallets
11. Get your head around the idea of actually holding your own money somewhere
12. Create isolated new install VM to make a paper wallet. You can't outsource this to some client-side web script (if you really want a secure wallet)!
13. TEST the paper wallet concept (requires an entire blockchain sync from scratch).
14. KYC finally comes through!
15. DAMMIT price has doubled :-)
This was my path anyway...
For HNWIs its got to happen with both them AND their advisor (who's gonna do all the work).
So people who might have gotten interested in bitcoin during the Euro financial uncertainty may just now be starting to move from a few hundred BTC trial investment to an actual acquisition strategy.
This is very accurate. Process is slow.
YES! This is how it is! If someone can make an easier way for the average person to get into BTC there will be no stopping it. Sure there is a learning curve at the beginning, but once we choose to invest it still takes so long and is very frustrating. I have a friend that wanted to buy but never did because it was too complicated. She is very smart too and somewhat comfortable with technology, but just getting cash into BTC is not easy. I would probably have invested even more if it was easier to do so.
It will certainly help, but honestly I don't think I would believe in Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies in general as much if I hadn't spent that much time wrapping my head around them.
Short term, though,you're absolutely right: being able to get money in and out easier would (and will!) mean the future bubbles or hype cycles are potentially huge...
Both points are entirely correct.
I guess that everybody with a few Bitcoins, even if they where bought in the middle of the bubble, a verified account and some fiat in an exchange can rightfully call himself an "early adopter"
Are you kidding?
It's been 6 days, everyone who downloaded the wallet, they probably still have another good 8 months until the blockchain finishes downloading. Hang in there, the China wave is coming, and it will be huge!
It's been 6 days, everyone who downloaded the wallet, they probably still have another good 8 months until the blockchain finishes downloading. Hang in there, the China wave is coming, and it will be huge!
This... this is hypnotic. I've been watching it now for 5 about minutes straight. In not entirely unrelated news, I have the weirdest boner right now.
the graph is deceptive
here is the search but for year 2013
https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%E6%AF%94%E7%89%B9%E5%B8%81&date=1%2F2013%2012m&cmpt=q
everything changes.
here is the search but for year 2013
https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%E6%AF%94%E7%89%B9%E5%B8%81&date=1%2F2013%2012m&cmpt=q
everything changes.
Google is not a good indicator as it is blocked in China
Google is not blocked in China
Chinese people don't typically use Google though (I live in Shanghai) - Baidu is the search engine of choice.
Though the Google trends stats is obviously still a good indicator
You're right about Google not being popular over there, lived in Shanghai 5 years myself.
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This bull will try to shake you off. Hold tight!
It's not necessarily a bad thing. The average Chinese speculator chases bubble like everyone else, but with special zeal and gusto. If they don't get rich quick on bitcoins they'll find something else to inflate.
Example. The garlic bubble of 2010:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/30/garlic-chinese-commodity-bubble
There were media reports from the time of speculators buying truckloads of garlic and hoarding them, hoping to get rich quick. The whole bubble popped of course and the speculators rightfully got burned.
Example. The garlic bubble of 2010:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/30/garlic-chinese-commodity-bubble
There were media reports from the time of speculators buying truckloads of garlic and hoarding them, hoping to get rich quick. The whole bubble popped of course and the speculators rightfully got burned.
That's fun
I didn't know that happened. Some of the Chinese aren't much wiser than 17th century dutch people. Thanks for sharing. Makes me think of Hugh Hendry too: 'thou shalt not invest in overcapacity!'
the graph is deceptive
here is the search but for year 2013
https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%E6%AF%94%E7%89%B9%E5%B8%81&date=1%2F2013%2012m&cmpt=q
everything changes.
here is the search but for year 2013
https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%E6%AF%94%E7%89%B9%E5%B8%81&date=1%2F2013%2012m&cmpt=q
everything changes.
Google is not a good indicator as it is blocked in China
Google is not blocked in China
Chinese people don't typically use Google though (I live in Shanghai) - Baidu is the search engine of choice.
Though the Google trends stats is obviously still a good indicator
China is coming... the quote below is what its like to really invest. Especially a year ago when (like China now) service was thinner.
tl;dr: It takes a month+ to do more then just stick your toe in.
tl;dr: It takes a month+ to do more then just stick your toe in.
I also think that a lot of you old timers mis-estimate the time and effort it takes for a noobie to bootstrap. It goes something like this:
1. Read about it, overcome the negative stigma that comes with SR, gambling, etc.
2. Make a small investment using bitinstant (edit: or direct person 2 person, etc)
3. Learn a ton about the banking system, chargebacks, how FED creates $.
4. Ask all the noobie questions "why can't someone just [print more bitcoins, steal your wallet, turn off the network, make it illegal]". What's it backed by anyway? :-)
5. Read enough about it to stress about all the scammers hacked wallets and failed exchanges, etc.
6. Start the KYC process with an exchange that has about 5000 totally obscure and difficult to use ways to deposit money.
7. Tortuously move small chunks of fiat into the exchange
8. start buying
9. freak out about failed exchanges, possibility of USB stick failure, etc
10. start looking at paper/brain wallets
11. Get your head around the idea of actually holding your own money somewhere
12. Create isolated new install VM to make a paper wallet. You can't outsource this to some client-side web script (if you really want a secure wallet)!
13. TEST the paper wallet concept (requires an entire blockchain sync from scratch).
14. KYC finally comes through!
15. DAMMIT price has doubled :-)
This was my path anyway...
For HNWIs its got to happen with both them AND their advisor (who's gonna do all the work).
So people who might have gotten interested in bitcoin during the Euro financial uncertainty may just now be starting to move from a few hundred BTC trial investment to an actual acquisition strategy.
1. Read about it, overcome the negative stigma that comes with SR, gambling, etc.
2. Make a small investment using bitinstant (edit: or direct person 2 person, etc)
3. Learn a ton about the banking system, chargebacks, how FED creates $.
4. Ask all the noobie questions "why can't someone just [print more bitcoins, steal your wallet, turn off the network, make it illegal]". What's it backed by anyway? :-)
5. Read enough about it to stress about all the scammers hacked wallets and failed exchanges, etc.
6. Start the KYC process with an exchange that has about 5000 totally obscure and difficult to use ways to deposit money.
7. Tortuously move small chunks of fiat into the exchange
8. start buying
9. freak out about failed exchanges, possibility of USB stick failure, etc
10. start looking at paper/brain wallets
11. Get your head around the idea of actually holding your own money somewhere
12. Create isolated new install VM to make a paper wallet. You can't outsource this to some client-side web script (if you really want a secure wallet)!
13. TEST the paper wallet concept (requires an entire blockchain sync from scratch).
14. KYC finally comes through!
15. DAMMIT price has doubled :-)
This was my path anyway...
For HNWIs its got to happen with both them AND their advisor (who's gonna do all the work).
So people who might have gotten interested in bitcoin during the Euro financial uncertainty may just now be starting to move from a few hundred BTC trial investment to an actual acquisition strategy.
This is very accurate. Process is slow.
YES! This is how it is! If someone can make an easier way for the average person to get into BTC there will be no stopping it. Sure there is a learning curve at the beginning, but once we choose to invest it still takes so long and is very frustrating. I have a friend that wanted to buy but never did because it was too complicated. She is very smart too and somewhat comfortable with technology, but just getting cash into BTC is not easy. I would probably have invested even more if it was easier to do so.
It will certainly help, but honestly I don't think I would believe in Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies in general as much if I hadn't spent that much time wrapping my head around them.
Short term, though,you're absolutely right: being able to get money in and out easier would (and will!) mean the future bubbles or hype cycles are potentially huge...
I also think that a lot of you old timers mis-estimate the time and effort it takes for a noobie to bootstrap. It goes something like this:
1. Read about it, overcome the negative stigma that comes with SR, gambling, etc.
2. Make a small investment using bitinstant (edit: or direct person 2 person, etc)
3. Learn a ton about the banking system, chargebacks, how FED creates $.
4. Ask all the noobie questions "why can't someone just [print more bitcoins, steal your wallet, turn off the network, make it illegal]". What's it backed by anyway? :-)
5. Read enough about it to stress about all the scammers hacked wallets and failed exchanges, etc.
6. Start the KYC process with an exchange that has about 5000 totally obscure and difficult to use ways to deposit money.
7. Tortuously move small chunks of fiat into the exchange
8. start buying
9. freak out about failed exchanges, possibility of USB stick failure, etc
10. start looking at paper/brain wallets
11. Get your head around the idea of actually holding your own money somewhere
12. Create isolated new install VM to make a paper wallet. You can't outsource this to some client-side web script (if you really want a secure wallet)!
13. TEST the paper wallet concept (requires an entire blockchain sync from scratch).
14. KYC finally comes through!
15. DAMMIT price has doubled :-)
This was my path anyway...
For HNWIs its got to happen with both them AND their advisor (who's gonna do all the work).
So people who might have gotten interested in bitcoin during the Euro financial uncertainty may just now be starting to move from a few hundred BTC trial investment to an actual acquisition strategy.
1. Read about it, overcome the negative stigma that comes with SR, gambling, etc.
2. Make a small investment using bitinstant (edit: or direct person 2 person, etc)
3. Learn a ton about the banking system, chargebacks, how FED creates $.
4. Ask all the noobie questions "why can't someone just [print more bitcoins, steal your wallet, turn off the network, make it illegal]". What's it backed by anyway? :-)
5. Read enough about it to stress about all the scammers hacked wallets and failed exchanges, etc.
6. Start the KYC process with an exchange that has about 5000 totally obscure and difficult to use ways to deposit money.
7. Tortuously move small chunks of fiat into the exchange
8. start buying
9. freak out about failed exchanges, possibility of USB stick failure, etc
10. start looking at paper/brain wallets
11. Get your head around the idea of actually holding your own money somewhere
12. Create isolated new install VM to make a paper wallet. You can't outsource this to some client-side web script (if you really want a secure wallet)!
13. TEST the paper wallet concept (requires an entire blockchain sync from scratch).
14. KYC finally comes through!
15. DAMMIT price has doubled :-)
This was my path anyway...
For HNWIs its got to happen with both them AND their advisor (who's gonna do all the work).
So people who might have gotten interested in bitcoin during the Euro financial uncertainty may just now be starting to move from a few hundred BTC trial investment to an actual acquisition strategy.
This PLUS way less information available in Chinese, way fewer people to help you, etc. They are at a far less advanced stage ecosystem-wise, though they are getting the news hype a little so it's not exactly like a few years ago in the English-language space, but similar in that there are many hindrances to the casual entrant - even more than the already difficult process for an English speaker.
the graph is deceptive
here is the search but for year 2013
https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%E6%AF%94%E7%89%B9%E5%B8%81&date=1%2F2013%2012m&cmpt=q
everything changes.
here is the search but for year 2013
https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%E6%AF%94%E7%89%B9%E5%B8%81&date=1%2F2013%2012m&cmpt=q
everything changes.
Google is not a good indicator as it is blocked in China
Google is not blocked in China
the graph is deceptive
here is the search but for year 2013
https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%E6%AF%94%E7%89%B9%E5%B8%81&date=1%2F2013%2012m&cmpt=q
everything changes.
here is the search but for year 2013
https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%E6%AF%94%E7%89%B9%E5%B8%81&date=1%2F2013%2012m&cmpt=q
everything changes.
Google is not a good indicator as it is blocked in China
This is my thread in late Feb when the price was still below 30: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/warning-to-bears-big-players-in-china-146768
China will play a more important role, but not until the next bubble
China will play a more important role, but not until the next bubble
I agree it is a matter of time.
the graph is deceptive
here is the search but for year 2013
https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%E6%AF%94%E7%89%B9%E5%B8%81&date=1%2F2013%2012m&cmpt=q
everything changes.
here is the search but for year 2013
https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%E6%AF%94%E7%89%B9%E5%B8%81&date=1%2F2013%2012m&cmpt=q
everything changes.
I think it is your graph that is deceptive because it totally hides the rise and fall relating to the time period we're referencing because of lack of space on the x-axis.
China is coming... the quote below is what its like to really invest. Especially a year ago when (like China now) service was thinner.
tl;dr: It takes a month+ to do more then just stick your toe in.
tl;dr: It takes a month+ to do more then just stick your toe in.
I also think that a lot of you old timers mis-estimate the time and effort it takes for a noobie to bootstrap. It goes something like this:
1. Read about it, overcome the negative stigma that comes with SR, gambling, etc.
2. Make a small investment using bitinstant (edit: or direct person 2 person, etc)
3. Learn a ton about the banking system, chargebacks, how FED creates $.
4. Ask all the noobie questions "why can't someone just [print more bitcoins, steal your wallet, turn off the network, make it illegal]". What's it backed by anyway? :-)
5. Read enough about it to stress about all the scammers hacked wallets and failed exchanges, etc.
6. Start the KYC process with an exchange that has about 5000 totally obscure and difficult to use ways to deposit money.
7. Tortuously move small chunks of fiat into the exchange
8. start buying
9. freak out about failed exchanges, possibility of USB stick failure, etc
10. start looking at paper/brain wallets
11. Get your head around the idea of actually holding your own money somewhere
12. Create isolated new install VM to make a paper wallet. You can't outsource this to some client-side web script (if you really want a secure wallet)!
13. TEST the paper wallet concept (requires an entire blockchain sync from scratch).
14. KYC finally comes through!
15. DAMMIT price has doubled :-)
This was my path anyway...
For HNWIs its got to happen with both them AND their advisor (who's gonna do all the work).
So people who might have gotten interested in bitcoin during the Euro financial uncertainty may just now be starting to move from a few hundred BTC trial investment to an actual acquisition strategy.
1. Read about it, overcome the negative stigma that comes with SR, gambling, etc.
2. Make a small investment using bitinstant (edit: or direct person 2 person, etc)
3. Learn a ton about the banking system, chargebacks, how FED creates $.
4. Ask all the noobie questions "why can't someone just [print more bitcoins, steal your wallet, turn off the network, make it illegal]". What's it backed by anyway? :-)
5. Read enough about it to stress about all the scammers hacked wallets and failed exchanges, etc.
6. Start the KYC process with an exchange that has about 5000 totally obscure and difficult to use ways to deposit money.
7. Tortuously move small chunks of fiat into the exchange
8. start buying
9. freak out about failed exchanges, possibility of USB stick failure, etc
10. start looking at paper/brain wallets
11. Get your head around the idea of actually holding your own money somewhere
12. Create isolated new install VM to make a paper wallet. You can't outsource this to some client-side web script (if you really want a secure wallet)!
13. TEST the paper wallet concept (requires an entire blockchain sync from scratch).
14. KYC finally comes through!
15. DAMMIT price has doubled :-)
This was my path anyway...
For HNWIs its got to happen with both them AND their advisor (who's gonna do all the work).
So people who might have gotten interested in bitcoin during the Euro financial uncertainty may just now be starting to move from a few hundred BTC trial investment to an actual acquisition strategy.
this is very true.
They will jump in as soon as the next bubble inflates. Only at that time you will see the huge momentum from China
the graph is deceptive
here is the search but for year 2013
https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%E6%AF%94%E7%89%B9%E5%B8%81&date=1%2F2013%2012m&cmpt=q
everything changes.
here is the search but for year 2013
https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%E6%AF%94%E7%89%B9%E5%B8%81&date=1%2F2013%2012m&cmpt=q
everything changes.
China is coming... the quote below is what its like to really invest. Especially a year ago when (like China now) service was thinner.
tl;dr: It takes a month+ to do more then just stick your toe in.
tl;dr: It takes a month+ to do more then just stick your toe in.
I also think that a lot of you old timers mis-estimate the time and effort it takes for a noobie to bootstrap. It goes something like this:
1. Read about it, overcome the negative stigma that comes with SR, gambling, etc.
2. Make a small investment using bitinstant (edit: or direct person 2 person, etc)
3. Learn a ton about the banking system, chargebacks, how FED creates $.
4. Ask all the noobie questions "why can't someone just [print more bitcoins, steal your wallet, turn off the network, make it illegal]". What's it backed by anyway? :-)
5. Read enough about it to stress about all the scammers hacked wallets and failed exchanges, etc.
6. Start the KYC process with an exchange that has about 5000 totally obscure and difficult to use ways to deposit money.
7. Tortuously move small chunks of fiat into the exchange
8. start buying
9. freak out about failed exchanges, possibility of USB stick failure, etc
10. start looking at paper/brain wallets
11. Get your head around the idea of actually holding your own money somewhere
12. Create isolated new install VM to make a paper wallet. You can't outsource this to some client-side web script (if you really want a secure wallet)!
13. TEST the paper wallet concept (requires an entire blockchain sync from scratch).
14. KYC finally comes through!
15. DAMMIT price has doubled :-)
This was my path anyway...
For HNWIs its got to happen with both them AND their advisor (who's gonna do all the work).
So people who might have gotten interested in bitcoin during the Euro financial uncertainty may just now be starting to move from a few hundred BTC trial investment to an actual acquisition strategy.
1. Read about it, overcome the negative stigma that comes with SR, gambling, etc.
2. Make a small investment using bitinstant (edit: or direct person 2 person, etc)
3. Learn a ton about the banking system, chargebacks, how FED creates $.
4. Ask all the noobie questions "why can't someone just [print more bitcoins, steal your wallet, turn off the network, make it illegal]". What's it backed by anyway? :-)
5. Read enough about it to stress about all the scammers hacked wallets and failed exchanges, etc.
6. Start the KYC process with an exchange that has about 5000 totally obscure and difficult to use ways to deposit money.
7. Tortuously move small chunks of fiat into the exchange
8. start buying
9. freak out about failed exchanges, possibility of USB stick failure, etc
10. start looking at paper/brain wallets
11. Get your head around the idea of actually holding your own money somewhere
12. Create isolated new install VM to make a paper wallet. You can't outsource this to some client-side web script (if you really want a secure wallet)!
13. TEST the paper wallet concept (requires an entire blockchain sync from scratch).
14. KYC finally comes through!
15. DAMMIT price has doubled :-)
This was my path anyway...
For HNWIs its got to happen with both them AND their advisor (who's gonna do all the work).
So people who might have gotten interested in bitcoin during the Euro financial uncertainty may just now be starting to move from a few hundred BTC trial investment to an actual acquisition strategy.
Do you realize that the search metrics that I linked to apply directly to the first step of your list: "Read about it". For explosive growth to happen you need more and more people start your list/chain and that means the first step is key. The current trend suggests that there is as many people starting your investment chain as there was before the news = the short-term hype is past.
China is coming... the quote below is what its like to really invest. Especially a year ago when (like China now) service was thinner.
tl;dr: It takes a month+ to do more then just stick your toe in.
tl;dr: It takes a month+ to do more then just stick your toe in.
I also think that a lot of you old timers mis-estimate the time and effort it takes for a noobie to bootstrap. It goes something like this:
1. Read about it, overcome the negative stigma that comes with SR, gambling, etc.
2. Make a small investment using bitinstant (edit: or direct person 2 person, etc)
3. Learn a ton about the banking system, chargebacks, how FED creates $.
4. Ask all the noobie questions "why can't someone just [print more bitcoins, steal your wallet, turn off the network, make it illegal]". What's it backed by anyway? :-)
5. Read enough about it to stress about all the scammers hacked wallets and failed exchanges, etc.
6. Start the KYC process with an exchange that has about 5000 totally obscure and difficult to use ways to deposit money.
7. Tortuously move small chunks of fiat into the exchange
8. start buying
9. freak out about failed exchanges, possibility of USB stick failure, etc
10. start looking at paper/brain wallets
11. Get your head around the idea of actually holding your own money somewhere
12. Create isolated new install VM to make a paper wallet. You can't outsource this to some client-side web script (if you really want a secure wallet)!
13. TEST the paper wallet concept (requires an entire blockchain sync from scratch).
14. KYC finally comes through!
15. DAMMIT price has doubled :-)
This was my path anyway...
For HNWIs its got to happen with both them AND their advisor (who's gonna do all the work).
So people who might have gotten interested in bitcoin during the Euro financial uncertainty may just now be starting to move from a few hundred BTC trial investment to an actual acquisition strategy.
1. Read about it, overcome the negative stigma that comes with SR, gambling, etc.
2. Make a small investment using bitinstant (edit: or direct person 2 person, etc)
3. Learn a ton about the banking system, chargebacks, how FED creates $.
4. Ask all the noobie questions "why can't someone just [print more bitcoins, steal your wallet, turn off the network, make it illegal]". What's it backed by anyway? :-)
5. Read enough about it to stress about all the scammers hacked wallets and failed exchanges, etc.
6. Start the KYC process with an exchange that has about 5000 totally obscure and difficult to use ways to deposit money.
7. Tortuously move small chunks of fiat into the exchange
8. start buying
9. freak out about failed exchanges, possibility of USB stick failure, etc
10. start looking at paper/brain wallets
11. Get your head around the idea of actually holding your own money somewhere
12. Create isolated new install VM to make a paper wallet. You can't outsource this to some client-side web script (if you really want a secure wallet)!
13. TEST the paper wallet concept (requires an entire blockchain sync from scratch).
14. KYC finally comes through!
15. DAMMIT price has doubled :-)
This was my path anyway...
For HNWIs its got to happen with both them AND their advisor (who's gonna do all the work).
So people who might have gotten interested in bitcoin during the Euro financial uncertainty may just now be starting to move from a few hundred BTC trial investment to an actual acquisition strategy.
This is very accurate. Process is slow.
YES! This is how it is! If someone can make an easier way for the average person to get into BTC there will be no stopping it. Sure there is a learning curve at the beginning, but once we choose to invest it still takes so long and is very frustrating. I have a friend that wanted to buy but never did because it was too complicated. She is very smart too and somewhat comfortable with technology, but just getting cash into BTC is not easy. I would probably have invested even more if it was easier to do so.
When I first heard about Bitcoin, I wanted in that day. It took me three months to do it right. Give them some time.
China is coming... the quote below is what its like to really invest. Especially a year ago when (like China now) service was thinner.
tl;dr: It takes a month+ to do more then just stick your toe in.
tl;dr: It takes a month+ to do more then just stick your toe in.
I also think that a lot of you old timers mis-estimate the time and effort it takes for a noobie to bootstrap. It goes something like this:
1. Read about it, overcome the negative stigma that comes with SR, gambling, etc.
2. Make a small investment using bitinstant (edit: or direct person 2 person, etc)
3. Learn a ton about the banking system, chargebacks, how FED creates $.
4. Ask all the noobie questions "why can't someone just [print more bitcoins, steal your wallet, turn off the network, make it illegal]". What's it backed by anyway? :-)
5. Read enough about it to stress about all the scammers hacked wallets and failed exchanges, etc.
6. Start the KYC process with an exchange that has about 5000 totally obscure and difficult to use ways to deposit money.
7. Tortuously move small chunks of fiat into the exchange
8. start buying
9. freak out about failed exchanges, possibility of USB stick failure, etc
10. start looking at paper/brain wallets
11. Get your head around the idea of actually holding your own money somewhere
12. Create isolated new install VM to make a paper wallet. You can't outsource this to some client-side web script (if you really want a secure wallet)!
13. TEST the paper wallet concept (requires an entire blockchain sync from scratch).
14. KYC finally comes through!
15. DAMMIT price has doubled :-)
This was my path anyway...
For HNWIs its got to happen with both them AND their advisor (who's gonna do all the work).
So people who might have gotten interested in bitcoin during the Euro financial uncertainty may just now be starting to move from a few hundred BTC trial investment to an actual acquisition strategy.
1. Read about it, overcome the negative stigma that comes with SR, gambling, etc.
2. Make a small investment using bitinstant (edit: or direct person 2 person, etc)
3. Learn a ton about the banking system, chargebacks, how FED creates $.
4. Ask all the noobie questions "why can't someone just [print more bitcoins, steal your wallet, turn off the network, make it illegal]". What's it backed by anyway? :-)
5. Read enough about it to stress about all the scammers hacked wallets and failed exchanges, etc.
6. Start the KYC process with an exchange that has about 5000 totally obscure and difficult to use ways to deposit money.
7. Tortuously move small chunks of fiat into the exchange
8. start buying
9. freak out about failed exchanges, possibility of USB stick failure, etc
10. start looking at paper/brain wallets
11. Get your head around the idea of actually holding your own money somewhere
12. Create isolated new install VM to make a paper wallet. You can't outsource this to some client-side web script (if you really want a secure wallet)!
13. TEST the paper wallet concept (requires an entire blockchain sync from scratch).
14. KYC finally comes through!
15. DAMMIT price has doubled :-)
This was my path anyway...
For HNWIs its got to happen with both them AND their advisor (who's gonna do all the work).
So people who might have gotten interested in bitcoin during the Euro financial uncertainty may just now be starting to move from a few hundred BTC trial investment to an actual acquisition strategy.
This is very accurate. Process is slow.
It's not necessarily a bad thing. The average Chinese speculator chases bubble like everyone else, but with special zeal and gusto. If they don't get rich quick on bitcoins they'll find something else to inflate.
Example. The garlic bubble of 2010:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/30/garlic-chinese-commodity-bubble
There were media reports from the time of speculators buying truckloads of garlic and hoarding them, hoping to get rich quick. The whole bubble popped of course and the speculators rightfully got burned.
Example. The garlic bubble of 2010:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/30/garlic-chinese-commodity-bubble
There were media reports from the time of speculators buying truckloads of garlic and hoarding them, hoping to get rich quick. The whole bubble popped of course and the speculators rightfully got burned.
Hate to be the bearer of bad news as people tend to go spastic at the sight of any non-bullish news but seems like the whole China explosion people were expecting has fizzled out rather quietly:
Baidu searches for Bitcoin in Chinese: http://index.baidu.com/main/word.php?word=%B1%C8%CC%D8%B1%D2
Google searches for Bitcoin in Chinese: https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%E6%AF%94%E7%89%B9%E5%B8%81&date=today%201-m&cmpt=q
Sourceforge downloads: http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/stats/timeline
Baidu searches for Bitcoin in Chinese: http://index.baidu.com/main/word.php?word=%B1%C8%CC%D8%B1%D2
Google searches for Bitcoin in Chinese: https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%E6%AF%94%E7%89%B9%E5%B8%81&date=today%201-m&cmpt=q
Sourceforge downloads: http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/stats/timeline
Shit - I was pinning all my hopes and dreams on this.
China is coming... the quote below is what its like to really invest. Especially a year ago when (like China now) service was thinner.
tl;dr: It takes a month+ to do more then just stick your toe in.
tl;dr: It takes a month+ to do more then just stick your toe in.
I also think that a lot of you old timers mis-estimate the time and effort it takes for a noobie to bootstrap. It goes something like this:
1. Read about it, overcome the negative stigma that comes with SR, gambling, etc.
2. Make a small investment using bitinstant (edit: or direct person 2 person, etc)
3. Learn a ton about the banking system, chargebacks, how FED creates $.
4. Ask all the noobie questions "why can't someone just [print more bitcoins, steal your wallet, turn off the network, make it illegal]". What's it backed by anyway? :-)
5. Read enough about it to stress about all the scammers hacked wallets and failed exchanges, etc.
6. Start the KYC process with an exchange that has about 5000 totally obscure and difficult to use ways to deposit money.
7. Tortuously move small chunks of fiat into the exchange
8. start buying
9. freak out about failed exchanges, possibility of USB stick failure, etc
10. start looking at paper/brain wallets
11. Get your head around the idea of actually holding your own money somewhere
12. Create isolated new install VM to make a paper wallet. You can't outsource this to some client-side web script (if you really want a secure wallet)!
13. TEST the paper wallet concept (requires an entire blockchain sync from scratch).
14. KYC finally comes through!
15. DAMMIT price has doubled :-)
This was my path anyway...
For HNWIs its got to happen with both them AND their advisor (who's gonna do all the work).
So people who might have gotten interested in bitcoin during the Euro financial uncertainty may just now be starting to move from a few hundred BTC trial investment to an actual acquisition strategy.
1. Read about it, overcome the negative stigma that comes with SR, gambling, etc.
2. Make a small investment using bitinstant (edit: or direct person 2 person, etc)
3. Learn a ton about the banking system, chargebacks, how FED creates $.
4. Ask all the noobie questions "why can't someone just [print more bitcoins, steal your wallet, turn off the network, make it illegal]". What's it backed by anyway? :-)
5. Read enough about it to stress about all the scammers hacked wallets and failed exchanges, etc.
6. Start the KYC process with an exchange that has about 5000 totally obscure and difficult to use ways to deposit money.
7. Tortuously move small chunks of fiat into the exchange
8. start buying
9. freak out about failed exchanges, possibility of USB stick failure, etc
10. start looking at paper/brain wallets
11. Get your head around the idea of actually holding your own money somewhere
12. Create isolated new install VM to make a paper wallet. You can't outsource this to some client-side web script (if you really want a secure wallet)!
13. TEST the paper wallet concept (requires an entire blockchain sync from scratch).
14. KYC finally comes through!
15. DAMMIT price has doubled :-)
This was my path anyway...
For HNWIs its got to happen with both them AND their advisor (who's gonna do all the work).
So people who might have gotten interested in bitcoin during the Euro financial uncertainty may just now be starting to move from a few hundred BTC trial investment to an actual acquisition strategy.
Are you kidding?
It's been 6 days, everyone who downloaded the wallet, they probably still have another good 8 months until the blockchain finishes downloading. Hang in there, the China wave is coming, and it will be huge!
It's been 6 days, everyone who downloaded the wallet, they probably still have another good 8 months until the blockchain finishes downloading. Hang in there, the China wave is coming, and it will be huge!
China is the last ditch effort of Bulls in keeping the price up.
...and it's gone? 
Hate to be the bearer of bad news as people tend to go spastic at the sight of any non-bullish news but seems like the whole China explosion people were expecting has fizzled out rather quietly:
Baidu searches for Bitcoin in Chinese: http://index.baidu.com/main/word.php?word=%B1%C8%CC%D8%B1%D2
Google searches for Bitcoin in Chinese: https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%E6%AF%94%E7%89%B9%E5%B8%81&date=today%201-m&cmpt=q
Sourceforge downloads: http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/stats/timeline
Baidu searches for Bitcoin in Chinese: http://index.baidu.com/main/word.php?word=%B1%C8%CC%D8%B1%D2
Google searches for Bitcoin in Chinese: https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%E6%AF%94%E7%89%B9%E5%B8%81&date=today%201-m&cmpt=q
Sourceforge downloads: http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/stats/timeline
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