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Topic: The combined sidehack-novak usb stick review thread. AKA GekkoScience BM1384 - page 3. (Read 26365 times)

legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
I need some better shots of the cables




this is the best shot of the cable so far



legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'

they are working okay see gui for cgminer 4.9.2




here they are in action freq 250 with a fan
hero member
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Wow.. I thought the flashy lights were annoying. Grin
Right? Cheesy  I still think they're way too bright, stock, too.. bit of tape & marker I reckon.

But you aren't running a fan for cooling?
Sure I am, check out 17 seconds in Smiley  One of those arctic breeze USB type things (somewhat quiet, pushing a fair amount of air, easily positioned) from the BEUSB era.

Nice. I was just talking to someone about BM1384 performance on the S5, and mentioned that Novak and I had talked about freezing a Compac (maybe oil immersion or something) and seeing how far the chip would go before it crapped itself.
I'm trying to *not* break it - maybe a (bitshopper) production one Smiley

The limiting factor in that setup, by the way?  The USB cable (+ connectors) that's going between the power insertion board and the little USB test point board used by the meters.
Vusb@start: 5.66V | Vusb@end: 4.76V | Iusb: 2.37A
(5.66 - 4.76) * 2.37 = 2.133W being dissipated in that assembly.  The USB cable gets very slightly warm (5.5°C above ambient)

I should have a shorter, beefier (cheaper shielding, thicker wires) one somewhere, but I'll probably just stick some test points on the power board instead and plug the Compac in direct when I start pushing it further.  Have to re-mount the flipside heat sink first.



Edit: Doing just fine at 400MHz:
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cgminer version 4.9.2-compac - Started: [2015-08-15 15:14:05]
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 (5s):24.89G (1m):23.64G (5m):22.41G (15m):22.10G (avg):21.95Gh/s
 A:428089  R:86  HW:0  X:1  T:146  GN:430838  WU:306.69/m  WE:100.02% HE:99.77% cf:400.00 ch:22000.00 t:84289
 Connected to pool0.btcdig.com diff 18 with stratum as user BEUSB@gscompac
 Block: cfa2e762...  Diff:52.7G  Started: [14:36:17]  Best share: 715K
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 [U]SB management [P]ool management [S]ettings [D]isplay options [Q]uit
 0: AU3 0       : 400MHz 775mV            | 23.60G / 21.95Gh/s WU:306.7/m
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Starting to get a little warmer though: 50.2°C (27.7°C ambient)



Edit: And at 431.25MHz:
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cgminer version 4.9.2-compac - Started: [2015-08-16 22:51:13]
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 (5s):24.70G (1m):24.88G (5m):24.12G (15m):23.75G (avg):23.57Gh/s
 A:111889  R:18  HW:103  X:67  T:30  GN:110945  WU:329.03/m  WE:99.92% HE:99.38% cf:431.25 ch:23718.75 t:20231
 Connected to pool0.btcdig.com diff 18 with stratum as user BEUSB@gscompac
 Block: 98a42b74...  Diff:52.7G  Started: [04:20:32]  Best share: 587K
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 [U]SB management [P]ool management [S]ettings [D]isplay options [Q]uit
 0: AU3 0       : 431MHz 775mV            | 23.46G / 23.57Gh/s WU:329.0/m
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Though this did take several start-up attempts.  I had it notched up one higher (437.5 / 24Gh/s), but no luck getting that a second time so far.  Maybe with whatever code changes sidehack mentioned to make it a bit less demanding at init.  Leaving it running as is for a while Smiley
legendary
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Nice. I was just talking to someone about BM1384 performance on the S5, and mentioned that Novak and I had talked about freezing a Compac (maybe oil immersion or something) and seeing how far the chip would go before it crapped itself. I don't know about init bursts (which a better driver will fix, and is on our to-do list in progress) but the buck should be good for steady-state currents well in excess of 400MHz. The inductor is rated for about 17A, which a BM1384 should draw less than 13A at 400MHz/0.8V
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Throwing this back on-topic a bit - have been playing with pushing the Compac a little harder.

Here's a video of it hashing away at ~20.39Gh/s @ 375MHz.  Might want to mute audio, unless you're OZR from our good friends over at the main Russian Bitcoin forum - he seemed to enjoy the fan noise last time, throwing in a little extra in this one Smiley
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjA-m1DbRf8

Quick grab of those stats before I hit post (edit: updated, ~20.55Gh/s as early errors have less influence):
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cgminer version 4.9.2-compac - Started: [2015-08-13 20:55:07]
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 (5s):22.89G (1m):20.00G (5m):20.33G (15m):20.51G (avg):20.55Gh/s
 A:55576  R:0  HW:843  X:1  T:19  GN:56590  WU:282.92/m  WE:98.55% HE:99.64% cf:375.00 ch:20625.00 t:12001
 Connected to pool0.btcdig.com diff 14 with stratum as user BEUSB@gscompac
 Block: 85c07331...  Diff:52.7G  Started: [23:56:34]  Best share: 63.1K
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 [U]SB management [P]ool management [S]ettings [D]isplay options [Q]uit
 0: AU3 0       : 375MHz 775mV            | 25.56G / 20.55Gh/s WU:282.9/m
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 [2015-08-14 00:12:01] Accepted 11bff14e Diff 14/14 AU3 0
 [2015-08-14 00:12:03] Accepted 123cb1e4 Diff 14/14 AU3 0
 [2015-08-14 00:12:03] Accepted 0dfbc5a0 Diff 18/14 AU3 0
 [2015-08-14 00:12:03] Accepted 09f74f57 Diff 26/14 AU3 0
 [2015-08-14 00:12:05] Accepted 03e510c3 Diff 66/14 AU3 0
temp ambient: 26.2°C
temp heatsink: 44.3°C
temp delta: 18.1°C
( Fan center ~9cm above Compac - got bumped a bit trying to get the Block Erupter USBleep to pick up the blue flashes  )
Wow.. I thought the flashy lights were annoying. Grin
But you aren't running a fan for cooling?
hero member
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Throwing this back on-topic a bit - have been playing with pushing the Compac a little harder.

Here's a video of it hashing away at ~20.39Gh/s @ 375MHz.  Might want to mute audio, unless you're OZR from our good friends over at the main Russian Bitcoin forum - he seemed to enjoy the fan noise last time, throwing in a little extra in this one Smiley
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjA-m1DbRf8

Quick grab of those stats before I hit post (edit 2: updated again, ~20.59Gh/s as early errors have less influence.  Shutting it down at this point to go add some test points to my power injection board):
Code:
cgminer version 4.9.2-compac - Started: [2015-08-13 20:55:07]
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(5s):22.72G (1m):20.78G (5m):20.53G (15m):20.56G (avg):20.60Gh/s
A:407269  R:208  HW:5228  X:4  T:142  GN:409896  WU:284.15/m  WE:98.76% HE:99.86% cf:375.00 ch:20625.00 t:86554
Connected to pool0.btcdig.com diff 16 with stratum as user BEUSB@gscompac
Block: ca71b6ee...  Diff:52.7G  Started: [20:44:21]  Best share: 571K
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[U]SB management [P]ool management [S]ettings [D]isplay options [Q]uit
0: AU3 0       : 375MHz 775mV            | 21.09G / 20.59Gh/s WU:284.1/m
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[2015-08-14 20:53:40] Accepted 0fbb57a5 Diff 16/16 AU3 0
[2015-08-14 20:53:44] Accepted 0e0283d5 Diff 18/16 AU3 0
[2015-08-14 20:53:53] Accepted 09b62e96 Diff 26/16 AU3 0
[2015-08-14 20:53:54] Accepted 098a39fc Diff 27/16 AU3 0
[2015-08-14 20:54:00] Accepted 20a4a0bd Diff 2.01K/16 AU3 0
[2015-08-14 20:54:00] Accepted 0d55b105 Diff 19/16 AU3 0
temp ambient: 26.2°C
temp heatsink: 44.3°C
temp delta: 18.1°C
( Fan center ~9cm above Compac - got bumped a bit trying to get the Block Erupter USBleep to pick up the blue flashes  )
legendary
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what is this "brake pedal" you speak of?

protip: dont replace your HID keyboard driver with zadig Smiley

aside to above I do full image backups on dedicated miner computers (well all my boxen actually) once everything is confirmed to be working. then anything at all goes into the weeds just restore form latest backup. saved me from myself a few times, as I regularly forget how stupid I can be heh.

see bolding

Yeah I am so guilty of this. Grin

heh.  I chalk it up to alltimers - er Alzheimer's. yeah yeah thats the ticket.. anything to excuse my errors ya know Cheesy
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
I think the drivers are being a pain with Zadig. I used admin mode as a matter of course. I will take it all down and make sure nothing is in the background running. Should help.

congrats on baby!

I got zadig to run no problems (except one that was my fault; see below) on vista 32 ultimate, win7 starter, win764Pro, and XP (use a special XP version of zadig). its wasnt sidehack stuff it was other USB controlled miners with the same controller chip as sidehacks.

protip: dont replace your HID keyboard driver with zadig Smiley

aside to above I do full image backups on dedicated miner computers (well all my boxen actually) once everything is confirmed to be working. then anything at all goes into the weeds just restore form latest backup. saved me from myself a few times, as I regularly forget how stupid I can be heh.

see bolding

Yeah I am so guilty of this. Grin
legendary
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what is this "brake pedal" you speak of?
I think the drivers are being a pain with Zadig. I used admin mode as a matter of course. I will take it all down and make sure nothing is in the background running. Should help.

congrats on baby!

I got zadig to run no problems (except one that was my fault; see below) on vista 32 ultimate, win7 starter, win764Pro, and XP (use a special XP version of zadig). its wasnt sidehack stuff it was other USB controlled miners with the same controller chip as sidehacks.

protip: dont replace your HID keyboard driver with zadig Smiley

aside to above I do full image backups on dedicated miner computers (well all my boxen actually) once everything is confirmed to be working. then anything at all goes into the weeds just restore form latest backup. saved me from myself a few times, as I regularly forget how stupid I can be heh.
legendary
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Thank you.

Very cool on the pot by the way. I am going to have fun with this. 
I think the drivers are being a pain with Zadig. I used admin mode as a matter of course. I will take it all down and make sure nothing is in the background running. Should help.

Thanks again I will post my results once I get this going.




I have not been on much with the new baby coming a couple weeks ago but I am getting back into things now.
I am setting up the stick so I can give my feedback as well.

Zadig is a pain in the butt on the Win 7 setup with these that is for sure.  I will let you know how it goes. cgminer is not finding it right yet but I will fiddle with it and get it going.

Nice work Sidehack and Novak. I am glad to see the sales thread as well.


congrats on the baby!

as for zadig  I was able to run it as admin with a right click.  I then had all other programs turned off. this got it to load the correct driver.

I then ran cgminer 4.9   I also got cgminer 4.9.2 to work.

as for getting stick recognized try turning the little pot .

  +       <   the pot has the phillips screw  so do a ¼ turn   If you have the gold model heatsink turn it counter clockwise  

also use freq 150 to start  if it starts and tosses hardly any HW errors turn the pot ⅛ clockwise while running then see if lot of HW's occur.
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
I have not been on much with the new baby coming a couple weeks ago but I am getting back into things now.
I am setting up the stick so I can give my feedback as well.

Zadig is a pain in the butt on the Win 7 setup with these that is for sure.  I will let you know how it goes. cgminer is not finding it right yet but I will fiddle with it and get it going.

Nice work Sidehack and Novak. I am glad to see the sales thread as well.


congrats on the baby!

as for zadig  I was able to run it as admin with a right click.  I then had all other programs turned off. this got it to load the correct driver.

I then ran cgminer 4.9   I also got cgminer 4.9.2 to work.

as for getting stick recognized try turning the little pot .

  +       <   the pot has the phillips screw  so do a ¼ turn   If you have the gold model heatsink turn it counter clockwise  

also use freq 150 to start  if it starts and tosses hardly any HW errors turn the pot ⅛ clockwise while running then see if lot of HW's occur.
legendary
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I have not been on much with the new baby coming a couple weeks ago but I am getting back into things now.
I am setting up the stick so I can give my feedback as well.

Zadig is a pain in the butt on the Win 7 setup with these that is for sure.  I will let you know how it goes. cgminer is not finding it right yet but I will fiddle with it and get it going.

Nice work Sidehack and Novak. I am glad to see the sales thread as well.
hero member
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I'll raise you my copy/paste to your copy paste (this could get silly) Smiley
Yeahhh let's not Wink

Let's instead see if MrTeal and CanaryInTheMine can post with their feedback? Smiley
legendary
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Clueless!
copy/paste it is;
Can anyone please tell me for 5 or 10 of the units would a powered usb hub be ok to power them and what specs would it
Depends on how hard you want to run them.  At its slowest (presuming it is the slowest), it'll work off of a standard 500mA port.  Fastest I've run it (16.5Gh/s), it needed just shy of 1.3A.  10 units at 1.3A and you're looking at a 15A-20A hub.. not exactly something you'll find at your local Currys.
Unless you want to put something together yourself / wait for sidehack's hub work, I've seen some recommendations for the Dipo 19-port 20A hubs.  iirc they do have individual limiting fuses so you might have to split the load across more than one port.. somebody who's used/has one can probably clarify, or ask the user 'klintay', he used to sell them over on eyeboot.com
He's still selling a 10-port, 2A/port, 10A total one; http://www.eyeboot.com/10-port-usb-hub

I'll raise you my copy/paste to your copy paste (this could get silly) Smiley

Can anyone please tell me for 5 or 10 of the units would a powered usb hub be ok to power them and what specs would it
Depends on how hard you want to run them.  At its slowest (presuming it is the slowest), it'll work off of a standard 500mA port.  Fastest I've run it (16.5Gh/s), it needed just shy of 1.3A.  10 units at 1.3A and you're looking at a 15A-20A hub.. not exactly something you'll find at your local Currys.
Unless you want to put something together yourself / wait for sidehack's hub work, I've seen some recommendations for the Dipo 19-port 20A hubs.  iirc they do have individual limiting fuses so you might have to split the load across more than one port.. somebody who's used/has one can probably clarify, or ask the user 'klintay', he used to sell them over on eyeboot.com
He's still selling a 10-port, 2A/port, 10A total one; http://www.eyeboot.com/10-port-usb-hub

heh no need to overclock them....according to www.tradeblock.com at current 288 usd btc price I will make (wait for it) $5.00 usd for the YEAR (yeah baby $5 bill baby)
if I use ONE of my TWO sticks at 8gb and it cost me nothing and the unit had free electric with 0% pool fee to boot


whoo who.... Smiley

so the need to OVERCLOCK THEM is probably moot ...just saying Smiley


hero member
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copy/paste it is;
Can anyone please tell me for 5 or 10 of the units would a powered usb hub be ok to power them and what specs would it
Depends on how hard you want to run them.  At its slowest (presuming it is the slowest), it'll work off of a standard 500mA port.  Fastest I've run it (16.5Gh/s), it needed just shy of 1.3A.  10 units at 1.3A and you're looking at a 15A-20A hub.. not exactly something you'll find at your local Currys.
Unless you want to put something together yourself / wait for sidehack's hub work, I've seen some recommendations for the Dipo 19-port 20A hubs.  iirc they do have individual limiting fuses so you might have to split the load across more than one port.. somebody who's used/has one can probably clarify, or ask the user 'klintay', he used to sell them over on eyeboot.com
He's still selling a 10-port, 2A/port, 10A total one; http://www.eyeboot.com/10-port-usb-hub
legendary
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Can anyone please tell me for 5 or 10 of the units would a powered usb hub be ok to power them and what specs would it need to be?

Also any recommendations on a make/model would be greatly appreciated Smiley.
legendary
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Curmudgeonly hardware guy
Luke-Jr has requested a stick, so we'll probably see BFGMiner support. That's good news for y'all what use BFGMiner.
legendary
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My two sticks running on a customized linux build of 4.9.0 (the only real changes were to U3 frequencies available in the Icarus driver) at 300MHz ran for about eleven days without any known hiccups - until, it looks like internet dropped out at the shop this afternoon so now I gotta go fix it. Grumble grumble.
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