The cryptocurrency market is currently a hot spot for whales.

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Quote from: Mark301 on June 20, 2022, 04:31:22 AM

Whales simply use it as a playground. Even if there is a crash, you cannot rely on price movements. When there are liquidations for longs and shorts, the market takes a big swing to screw as many people as possible.

But, what is your point? Do you mean that manipulations by whales is only applicable with crypto markets? Or, crash and sudden pumps are happening only in crypto markets? Every market is a playground for those traders who are all able to withstand against high volatility. The level of pumps and downs in cryptomarket might be a minor factor why most whales enjoying the crypto market. It means already cryptocurrencies are too volatile and when whales add another layer of manipulation then we experience extreme conditions with almost all cryptocurrencies.

Like people do mention, those whales will get vanished by losing the power for manipulating when crypto markets are becoming too big for them to move it on their preferred direction.

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Quote from: Rufsilf on July 15, 2022, 04:54:25 PM

That is pretty simple, whales have always carried a positive view of the market and taken advantage of the market while prices are cheap. Real bag holders will do patiently and wait for the perfect time.

Bagholders vary as per their need. Most whales vary with their strategies too. While there will be people who make money here and there, the proper strategy should be to go against the whales when time permits. The whales usually manipulate the market to move in one direction when they themselves move in opposite direction.

Newbies fall for the trap of buying at the wrong time. But once you gain the experience you learn how to move your assets.

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Quote from: freedomgo on July 16, 2022, 04:45:00 PM

Quote from: Mark301 on June 20, 2022, 04:31:22 AM

Whales simply use it as a playground. Even if there is a crash, you cannot rely on price movements. When there are liquidations for longs and shorts, the market takes a big swing to screw as many people as possible.

That’s how big whales in the market played their game. They even shake the market more so that all weak hands will be threaten and start selling all their coins. And that’s how these wise whales in the market start buying their coins and take advantage on the low prices. If all investors will follow the strategies of these whales, then the whole market will be filled with millionaires, as whales can be deceptive to others because that’s how they can gain their advantage.

We need to give credit to the whales, they really know how to take advantage of every single scenario that presents to themselves to the fullest, and it is important that the average investor familiarizes themselves with their maneuvers, because if they don't then they are going to end up being victims of those movements and they are not going to understand at all how it is possible that they lost so much money when they never had any intention of selling their coins for a loss.

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Quote from: Mark301 on June 20, 2022, 04:31:22 AM

Whales simply use it as a playground. Even if there is a crash, you cannot rely on price movements. When there are liquidations for longs and shorts, the market takes a big swing to screw as many people as possible.

That’s how big whales in the market played their game. They even shake the market more so that all weak hands will be threaten and start selling all their coins. And that’s how these wise whales in the market start buying their coins and take advantage on the low prices. If all investors will follow the strategies of these whales, then the whole market will be filled with millionaires, as whales can be deceptive to others because that’s how they can gain their advantage.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on July 16, 2022, 07:05:52 AM

I'd just notice that in almost everything it happens in the market we mostly blame whales and the manipulation. Sometimes I'd think that the market won't able to survive without these whales, huge investors. We are lucky of having them and we are thankful enough that because of them the market don't drop just like before.

That is why, if we only have access to them and know their plans, I think we are also doing the same and accumulating more. But that was hiding, they don't tell anyone, not like being a selfish action, it was also need to know whos gonna stay and whos gonna leave.

Not really, only in the bear market that whales get most of the hate.
Bear market: fuck whales for dumping and make my bag's price lower.
Bull market: hey whales, can you pump my bag's price up or provide the liquidation at a high price?

Big fish, small fish, it doesn't matter anymore since everyone wants to be rich and willing to step on others for profits and gains.

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I'd just notice that in almost everything it happens in the market we mostly blame whales and the manipulation. Sometimes I'd think that the market won't able to survive without these whales, huge investors. We are lucky of having them and we are thankful enough that because of them the market don't drop just like before.

That is why, if we only have access to them and know their plans, I think we are also doing the same and accumulating more. But that was hiding, they don't tell anyone, not like being a selfish action, it was also need to know whos gonna stay and whos gonna leave.

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Quote from: boyptc on July 15, 2022, 12:58:57 PM

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Whales are the ones benefiting from the bear market presently. Because they always take good advantage of the bear market since they have enough USDT, BNB and BUSD to bagged coins, so it's not their problem if the market crashes. They buy enough coins during this bear period like the recent dump of Bitcoin which is currently at $19000, they even buy plenty pieces of it and wait for it's bull run up before selling. Let's say they are the ones that's incharge of the bear market because it's their thing and they fully know how to deal with it unlike investors who don't want to lose a penny in the bear market.

They really do.

But we need to learn from them and it shouldn't only be them that take that opportunity when it knocks. We can copy what they do despite that we're not par with their budget and capital.

Whatever you have as resource, just use it and do what also they do which is productive and profitable to them. That doesn't mean that you need to copy the whole thing they do but do what makes you also comfortable and productive during this bear market.

What whales do when a bear market occurs, we really have to pay attention to, especially the positive things they do, we have to imitate if we want
to be successful. Like buying crypto at low prices, whales often do this, it's not even surprising that whales will buy large amounts of coins during
a bear market. No whales want to lose money when investing in crypto, therefore whales buy in large quantities at low prices, they do it to be able
to generate big profits. So what are we waiting for, when a bear market occurs than we complain and do nothing, should collect coins that have
a bright future. Top coins can be a great option to collect when a bear market occurs. Don't let us become mere spectators by seeing whales
enjoying profit over and over again, we can also feel the same way, but maybe with different profit.

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Quote from: Rufsilf on July 15, 2022, 04:54:25 PM

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Not only hot spot + liquidity heaven. The inistutional financial organizations aka whales need liquidity and they have time to wait for next market cycle unlike impatient retail traders. After hitting lower low levels, liquidations will pop up slowly and stop hunt will make them strong. In the long run, whales aka smart money will leave market as winner.

That is pretty simple, whales have always carried a positive view of the market and taken advantage of the market while prices are cheap. Real bag holders will do patiently and wait for the perfect time. They can somehow manipulate the market and do the usual up-and-down strategy but this time, they are quiet enough, maybe they are preparing well for it. That I think we need to accumulate more as well so we can join the party once these whales started to pump the market price.

They do a lot of strategies (whales) to manipulate the market, one of them is by making some FUD or some News so that it will affect bitcoin fundamentals and to manipulate technically using only their money. Whales have a lot of money to manipulate the market, drive at the price they want, create some market sentiment to play the market psychology.

As a small trader I can only survive when prices continue to fall, but if we have good money management we can buy them again at low prices. Don't go against the tide or fight the whales, follow their mindset then we will be safe and can get some benefits.

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Not only hot spot + liquidity heaven. The inistutional financial organizations aka whales need liquidity and they have time to wait for next market cycle unlike impatient retail traders. After hitting lower low levels, liquidations will pop up slowly and stop hunt will make them strong. In the long run, whales aka smart money will leave market as winner.

That is pretty simple, whales have always carried a positive view of the market and taken advantage of the market while prices are cheap. Real bag holders will do patiently and wait for the perfect time. They can somehow manipulate the market and do the usual up-and-down strategy but this time, they are quiet enough, maybe they are preparing well for it. That I think we need to accumulate more as well so we can join the party once these whales started to pump the market price.

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Quote from: sumant on July 13, 2022, 04:24:54 AM

Yes most like that the crypto market has become a hot spot for whales. They have big money to invest and their favorite term is buying in crash is definitely helping this course. We ordinary investors always sell in panic. Big investors always buy in panic. They are accumulating their coins for future bumper profit so definitely a place where big whales are enjoying at present time.

Big investors always take advantage of the market. When an investor has the amount of money they can use to shake the market, they will certainly take the opportunity to pressure weak hand investors into panic selling.
If you look into the market now you will see how the pump dump is going. While retail investors are in for huge losses but whales are now playing their game. So the power of whales in the market is huge.

It's the investors that knows exactly what is obtainable in cryptocurrency not any investor who takes the advantages if bearish market. From what i know is that cryptocurrency investment is something of getting basic understanding and basics tactics of knowing the possible ways of management of cryptocurrency. Investors who knows what is obtainable for cryptocurrency due take time to understand the methods of investment

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Quote from: sumant on July 13, 2022, 04:24:54 AM

Yes most like that the crypto market has become a hot spot for whales. They have big money to invest and their favorite term is buying in crash is definitely helping this course. We ordinary investors always sell in panic. Big investors always buy in panic. They are accumulating their coins for future bumper profit so definitely a place where big whales are enjoying at present time.

Big investors always take advantage of the market. When an investor has the amount of money they can use to shake the market, they will certainly take the opportunity to pressure weak hand investors into panic selling.
If you look into the market now you will see how the pump dump is going. While retail investors are in for huge losses but whales are now playing their game. So the power of whales in the market is huge.

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Quote from: hashrateproducts on July 14, 2022, 12:54:21 AM

Whales are the ones benefiting from the bear market presently. Because they always take good advantage of the bear market since they have enough USDT, BNB and BUSD to bagged coins, so it's not their problem if the market crashes. They buy enough coins during this bear period like the recent dump of Bitcoin which is currently at $19000, they even buy plenty pieces of it and wait for it's bull run up before selling. Let's say they are the ones that's incharge of the bear market because it's their thing and they fully know how to deal with it unlike investors who don't want to lose a penny in the bear market.

They really do.

But we need to learn from them and it shouldn't only be them that take that opportunity when it knocks. We can copy what they do despite that we're not par with their budget and capital.

Whatever you have as resource, just use it and do what also they do which is productive and profitable to them. That doesn't mean that you need to copy the whole thing they do but do what makes you also comfortable and productive during this bear market.

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Quote from: Sanitough on July 13, 2022, 11:10:19 AM

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It will be more easy for whales to manipulate the market now than when it was bull. The market volume might not reduce much but the price of Bitcoin is low now, and it means the whales have much power now to manipulate the market.

But the at this stage of bitcoin price, everyone can actually benefit from it. Just buy bitcoin and hold for long and the activities of the whales will not affect you.

What whales actually do in the market now is to shake the market more so that strong hands will be more tested and weak hands will be more prone to fears and end up panicking. That's the time weak hands sell their hodlings, and since we are in a bear market, the whales will actively buying it at a very affordable price. Not just the whales alone, but even for those who know exactly what bear market opportunities brings, they eventually grab the chance buying more bitcoin while the price is highly discounted.

This is what the weak hands never understand, the whales are testing them and they will make the price to go down over and over again for a very long period of time so the weak hands begin to think that the bear market will last forever and they decide to abandon the market for good, but doing something like this plays against their self-interest and it is a mistaken move, as even if they bought when the price was very high the best move they could make right now was to buy some bitcoin so the average price at which they bought goes down and they can turn a profit faster than if they just held their coins.

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Quote from: sumant on July 13, 2022, 04:24:54 AM

Yes most like that the crypto market has become a hot spot for whales. They have big money to invest and their favorite term is buying in crash is definitely helping this course. We ordinary investors always sell in panic. Big investors always buy in panic. They are accumulating their coins for future bumper profit so definitely a place where big whales are enjoying at present time.

Whales are the ones benefiting from the bear market presently. Because they always take good advantage of the bear market since they have enough USDT, BNB and BUSD to bagged coins, so it's not their problem if the market crashes. They buy enough coins during this bear period like the recent dump of Bitcoin which is currently at $19000, they even buy plenty pieces of it and wait for it's bull run up before selling. Let's say they are the ones that's incharge of the bear market because it's their thing and they fully know how to deal with it unlike investors who don't want to lose a penny in the bear market.

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Quote from: KingsDen on July 01, 2022, 08:49:58 AM

It will be more easy for whales to manipulate the market now than when it was bull. The market volume might not reduce much but the price of Bitcoin is low now, and it means the whales have much power now to manipulate the market.

But the at this stage of bitcoin price, everyone can actually benefit from it. Just buy bitcoin and hold for long and the activities of the whales will not affect you.

What whales actually do in the market now is to shake the market more so that strong hands will be more tested and weak hands will be more prone to fears and end up panicking. That's the time weak hands sell their hodlings, and since we are in a bear market, the whales will actively buying it at a very affordable price. Not just the whales alone, but even for those who know exactly what bear market opportunities brings, they eventually grab the chance buying more bitcoin while the price is highly discounted.

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Yes most like that the crypto market has become a hot spot for whales. They have big money to invest and their favorite term is buying in crash is definitely helping this course. We ordinary investors always sell in panic. Big investors always buy in panic. They are accumulating their coins for future bumper profit so definitely a place where big whales are enjoying at present time.

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This market is whale's playground all the time, not just right now, whales are always manipulating the market until the time of the rise. They are practically controlling the market.
In a bear market they constantly try to scare people into buying at the cheapest price, then they try to pump the market and raise prices to sell at the most expensive price.
We as ordinary investors have to try to take advantage of opportunities in these times so the best strategy is to buy with every dip and wait for a bull market to sell.

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yes whales are the ones who are buying while the weak hands (immature traders are the onew selling , due to panic in the media.

But as with any product there is always cycles of ups and downs just need to know when to buy and sell
that's why DYOR is the best way to learn to help to minimize losses to your portfolio

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Quote from: sklopan on June 20, 2022, 08:16:01 AM

I think this is quite normal. People want to earn. This is quite predictable. More importantly - to do an analysis of their actions.

people want to earn it is quite understandable that everybody who is into trading as a who is interpreter currency is ready to achieve progress to each of it's step in cryptocurrency. Op gives nice analysis from my own perspective but I believe that cryptocurrency does not work through prediction and the procrastination what it works with is the courage observation and endurance into it's domination. What everyone is interested of in cryptocurrency is to make profit.

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Quote from: KingsDen on July 01, 2022, 08:49:58 AM

It will be more easy for whales to manipulate the market now than when it was bull. The market volume might not reduce much but the price of Bitcoin is low now, and it means the whales have much power now to manipulate the market.

But the at this stage of bitcoin price, everyone can actually benefit from it. Just buy bitcoin and hold for long and the activities of the whales will not affect you.

Well, on the other hand, if you don't want to get affected with whales, then do act as one. Everyone can be a whale and be wise and smart in decision making. And just like a whale, always aim for the best opportunities in the market as its going to create massive profits in the future. The current market condition is always the best time to invest, and a lot of whales have been waiting for the weak hands to sell their coins so they can buy them at its most affordable price.

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