Topic: the Cryptopia-apocalypse FUND (Read 25328 times)

I have messaged and messaged and messaged ...

Finally I got a response SIX MONTHS LATER only to be pushed to the portal and asked ridiculous Questions about how, when, where and what are the EXACT amounts I traded/set those MANY years ago.

What a complete farce this Legal crap one needs to go through. We at CWI will more than likely ban/block ALL OZC that are contained in their wallets. Our next version of OZC will have banned addresses because these imbeciles that are running the liquidation can NOT have a realistic view of what is actually right with regards to returning the funds! Especially since they have no concept of HOW to consider what is fair or not!

To HELL with them!

#crysx

Craptopia Service Thread
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1669443.4600


https://portal.cryptopia.co.nz/

Where did you get this list from? ...

Is it current and up to date?

#crysx

I would say there maybe a dozen exchanges popping up to replace the cryptopia void.
Yobit and Tradetoshi are ready to roll,multi-base-coin, but are fraud scam DON'T trade there.

My eyes vision is still the .gif below.
A confederation of exchanges, that create some LIQUID OTC means of inter-trade.
Thus the books and depths are inter-mingled.
Bid on EXCHANGE A but the order is filled by EXCHANGE G.

The red box.
Both a kind of clearing house.
And a kind of blockchain status reporting feed.



thread linked here is in the process of dressing a tentative list of all trustless crosschain exchanges

I think that's a great opportunity because Nova has been doing a very good job so far. I would recommend all coins which got delisted on Cryptopia to use that chance to get listed on Nova for free!

Of course, funds that have been held on exchange wallets on Cryptopia will still be lost. In many cases, a significant amount of people store their coins on exchanges (which, what cannot be stressed enough, is a very bad idea).

I hear NovaExchange have offered to list Cryptopia's refugee coins, I think Altilly had an offer on the table around the time the hack began, are there any other exchanges out there that are offering free/reduced listings?

Nova up and died too...

exchange

https://insane.exchange/
https://insane.network/

The exchange is closed/liquidated.  All coins will be lost.

sooncoin and cannacoin was delisted from cryptopia

Object
Save the coins listed on Craptopia.
Work as a single unit for most effect.
Work with the original directive of Exchanges that was [to create support platforms for the coins & their communities].
Not build exchanges for just btc extraction to the benefit of the ex owners.

SXC is more than welcome to the PARRrTY.


Cryptopia is clearly done dead for any viable coin community, for both those listed there and those once listed there.  


However, no clear multi-coin-base exchange has or is filling their vacated position.  But there are a cluster of reasonably ethical multi-coin-base exchanges taking good standing in the field.

I see something like many a coin community working with a dozen exchanges to create one solid trading blockNET.

Hi, I've only just come across this thread and was wondering if SexCoin is a part of this list?  I'm trying to read through the thread, but it seems to have branched off from another discussion, so I'm not quite sure what the objectives are.

Ie, there are coins that they listed - it's good ...

CreamCoin (CRM) I think is the most recent one ...

That was also delisted off Cryptopia recently.

#crysx

Are there coins that have been listed on this exchange?

@crysx

and other like minds...

I would suggest sticking with the exchange as it is model FIRST.
EXCEPTION ... like minded exchanges participate in a ARB pool so bids/offers can be pooled.

This allows for multiple custodial hands, lessens systematic risk.

NEXT step, coin communities offer MULTIsig cold storage (and book bid nodes), so an open source platform gets shared and is available  to coin communities.  [more multiple custodial hands, lessens systematic risk more, and coin communities sponsor these nodes]  This expands vector points and the funds are in cold storage not hot wallets thus hardens the security layer bunkers.  What do these nodes do?  Participate in the above ARB pool but also are watchtowers of blockchain (limiting reorgs or alerting of a possible reorg), and unwind slower than direct or immediate settlement because cases of reorgs.  

NEXT step, a joint venture coinmarketcap like facility to fast track ARB pool.  [charts, spot api service]

NEXT look back into blocknet / waves like DEX projects.
https://komodoplatform.com/atomic-swaps/

NEXT fund a unified dev project to integrate all the above solutions that are proven pure DEX, into a hold your own keys model.  I think this is already possible, copy paste Steem/Golos federation type systems to provide exchange services for 100s of chains.  

FINAL step all the above models can evolve into MULTIsig mechanisms to analyse bid/ask offers on the high capacity TPS federation chains to underwrite (insure) and arbitrate failed P2P settlements.

TLDR;

1. exchanges settlements POOLED
2. exchanges + coin-communities settlements POOLED
3. exchanges + coin-communities settlements POOLED +public API broadcast network
4. exchanges + coin-communities settlements POOLED +public API broadcast network +P2P 'steem' feed
5. exchanges + coin-communities settlements POOLED +public API broadcast network +P2P 'steem' feed +arbitration board/commissions

^{*arbitration board/commissions MIGHT not be necessary, only open ledger of peers reading the record of the open web of trust, said arbitration board/commission just provides credit scores, but does not can not enforce settlement beyond bonds already held.}



 

OK ...

So wouldn't a decentralized Exchange work well with these points thus far? Even though they have been a target for many hackers and miners, they still have some decentralization for the coins.

I would also think that a common area for the workings of the Exchange should also be decided. ie - HOW the exchange will work, not just where (if it is not a decentralized one like blocknet for example). Funds where they can be traded but not 'given' to the exchange would be another point. possibly even an effort to assign security professionals to the development list as well. How funds will be created (for the real world expenses) so that not only developers and people get paid, but also the costs for the infrastructure and codebases.

I have many more points to add here, but i think you get the drift.

The 'who when where what how' of the whole thing really needs to be taken into account, as well as the protection of the assets/currencies themselves.

#crysx

start a list of ideas

(great first step) 

(a set of ideas)

idea ONE : exchange/platform is of, for, and by the coin community (-ties).
idea TWO : exchange/platform admins/DEVs would likely be employees (verses owners).
idea THREE : work with a variety of service providers with already working products, thus the focus is on interconnecting and optimizing and combining into a joint project of said exchange/platform/resource

[I would like to keep the mission statement simple - so not many idea points]

In a sentence all coins involved share a common goal, build an exchange/platform/resource that serves to develop decentralized coin projects.

What suggestions would you have to even begin ...

There are MANY methods of approaching this, but it would take a coherent development team, and people that would NOT walk away from the project 'because we need money in real life' or any other situation. We would be happy to help in any way we can, but food on the table is always going to be the issue no matter where you turn here mate.

I believe if we have a set of ideas AND a plan to start, then it would attract a much better field of people AND developers.

Still a good way of doing things would definitely be to at least start a list of ideas.

#crysx

I don't  

Imagine the following:

1.  A boat marina gets robbed, a 3 boats are stolen, yet the marine locks out the other 3000 boat owners for a month cuz INVESTIGATION.
2.  A hotel room is robbed, all guest are locked out of their room for a month cuz INVESTIGATION.
3.  A bank is robbed, 2 safety boxes emptied, all accounts locked for a month cuz INVESTIGATION.
4.  A child is kidnapped from a boarding school, 2 Million parents have no access to their children for a month cuz INVESTIGATION.

No statements No access for a month.

This doesn't happen any where in the real world, only in crypto.

That has to change.

Cryptopia-apocalypse FUND was set up from the delisting issue, long before the hack.

The GOAL is to re-organize a platform for all legit and established blockchain projects that reflects the original mission statement of Cryptopia, it was a good project, unfortunately money grabbers and social paths hijacked the project, and successfully destroyed the project over the year 2018.

The problem is exchanges dictating the landscape, verses a platform that provides basic healthcare services for up start coin communities.

I think it's still too early to speculate, but if I tell you, this about the problem of eliminating coins like crazy, I already smelled very strange, which I do not think is unusual