Topic: The Economist: 335000 people could "freeze to death" in Europe (Read 644 times)

The information that Europe will freeze this winter was deliberately disseminated by Russian propaganda so that European countries would not refuse Russian oil and gas supplies, and would not assist Ukraine in its defense against Russian aggression. We already see that the disseminated information has nothing to do with reality. Europe, in principle, successfully manages without Russian energy carriers, and this winter is even much warmer than usual. There is one more month of winter left, and so far we do not see even signs of the predicted horror stories. Russia has lost big here too.

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The price of gas at Europe's largest TTF hub in the Netherlands has fallen to 53 euros per MWh (about $562 per thousand cubic meters), the lowest level since September 2021. This is evidenced by the data of the tradingeconomics platform.

The fall in prices is due to the expected reduction in demand for gas due to warming on the European continent from next week.

The high occupancy of gas storage facilities in Europe for this period of the year also affects the price dynamics. The vaults are about 69% full, well above the 10-year average of 54% for this time of year.

An increase in the supply of liquefied natural gas from the United States to Europe is also expected after the launch of the Freeport LNG export gas hub, which has been closed since June 2022. Therefore, Europe is not going to freeze at all.

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Well, we are 2/3rds into the winter, so if anyone has any statistics on the number of people who have died from it, do post them here.

It's a pretty subjective statistic however because it depends on what you consider the "breaking point" for these people, as in, would you also count "displaced" people who have been evicted from their homes for not paying their energy bill, or would you count people in different circumstances as well.

Are you 100% sure that censored media can't write this on purpose? I'm just saying.
You can have a look at Winter mortality in England and Wales Statistical bulletins.
Btw it's not that cold in Europe this winter and I have no idea how could someone freeze to death. Even the nature is against Russia, Putin is very, very unlucky.

I want to make a sad announcement for you:
1. Media overdramatizes the whole situation, including the European news and media companies.
2. The Northern and Western European people overcomplain everything because they don't want their quality of life to decrease even a little bit.
The Northern and Western Europe won't fall down, the supporters of Russia and fans of Putin just want it to happen because they have envy on us.

It is not always about availability, it is also about affordability.

I've said it many times and I say it again: At this point the future of Europe affects the rest of the world a lot more than what happens in other countries specially if it is nothing new like increased mortality rate in Canada due to cold temperatures or increased number of homeless people in US.
If you think stuff happening elsewhere affects the rest of the world, I'd love to read your analysis.

Meanwhile, Europe that is caught between two "poles" and with the way United States is sucking it dry will have a significant effect on the global economy. The less US sucks the economy out of Europe (and a handful of others like Japan) the more inflation they'll export with printing dollar and the more they suck the economy out of them the worse their recession gets which means more capital will flee the continent into the rest of the world.

The energy crisis in Europe is one of the main factors that we can only analyze by its signs in order to be able to get a better understanding of the growing economical crisis and its scale. Namely the effects it has on deindustrialization of Europe (specially energy hungry industries) which is creating "voids" as the industries shrink or shut down. These voids are being filled and will continue being filled by others (now you see how it affects the rest of the world?).

From an economical standpoint it helps all of us make better investments during this chaos while we face inflation and some recession.

3 examples:
1. Car industry in Europe is affected by energy crisis and increased inflation and the recession. Suddenly we see China is silently but quickly growing as a car exporter and some are even saying that in a couple of years it is possible that we stop seeing "made in Japan and Germany" on cars! There are other countries that are taking advantage of this "void", specially among the car part producers. This could be a potential investment opportunity (or shorting opportunity for those knowing which companies have tanked or are going to tank in EU).

2. Another major example I can think of right now is the largest industrial manufacturing company in Europe called Siemens (HQ in Munich, Germany) which is also among the handful of turbine manufacturers. Last year it lost part of its market, had its stock tank by more than 30% (another shorting opportunity) and had to lay off thousands of employees to recover. The voids were filled by others. In long term if they can't continue reducing their production cost (which could mean complete migration to another country like India) they can lose all their market since so far the replacement turbines are superior in cost and lifespan (another investment opportunity).

3. Finally last year the exports of cleaning products from Europe decreased and created a "void". Detecting that and following other news regarding how we were filling that void helped me make an investment in companies that were expanding their production and exports which in turn gave me a nice profit.
I even mentioned this in this board many months ago which people called "Russian propaganda" but as far as I can remember there were a couple of other Asian countries that were taking advantage of that opportunity to fill that void, I suppose anybody else who saw that and make wise investments, made good profit (or shorting opportunity for Europeans if the shares of those companies tanked).

P.S. I didn't even mention Uniper (the German energy giant) that tanked 92% while the German government kept saying everything is fine and there is no energy crisis.

I agree, homeless people are harder to die because they end up getting ready for the worst possible thing, and I do not believe that freeze to death is really a realistic thing in todays world. Like seriously, unless you are in wilderness, just go to a coffee house, even if you do not buy anything, it's better to stay there for an hour instead of dying, and then if they ask you to leave, you will leave.

The idea that people will die from it makes no sense to me, it's probably calculating what we have seen so far, and how it will go under that and it should cause this, but they do not take into consideration what people do when it gets worse, they expect people to do nothing about it and just die?

Maybe they raised the number for Canada as it wouldn't seem such harsh contrast against their own death count.
And as a Finnish guy i understand that Canada is pretty well prepared for cold weather as well so those numbers don't make much sense.
We know it's not just about electricity, it's about isolation of buildings, quadruple-glazed windows and clothing etc.

When one has been fighting cold all of their lives they are pretty well prepared even with some blackouts and super low temperatures.

since that I am Canadian.   who are these 13,000 people that are dying from the cold in my country?  those homeless that pretty much never seem to die from weather anymore?   13,000 dead people from cold in canada would be all over the headlines. 

since i think that numbers false the USA number is prob just as false.

This is one of the mildest winters in Europe and I hate to repeat myself because I have already written what I think about the fact that hundreds of thousands of people will freeze because there will not be enough electricity, gas or any other energy source. Instead of reading what the members of this forum write (and there are a lot of them from Europe), you think that any media is a relevant source of information - and if by any chance you don't find what you want, you think it's censorship...

People are freezing in some other parts of the world, but that's not an interesting topic, is it?

Well the stats are slowly making their way out to the media despite all the censorship that they are enforcing in Europe to prevent these things from coming out. Even THE propaganda machine BBC is reporting on them (BBC news at 10) reported 7409 died of cold in UK last month.
Here is an example of this in text form:

What did the terrorist country do well was the work of propaganda! Moreover, propaganda as internal - where the population has turned into a submissive, non-thinking, weak-willed mass. It is the same outside the country, where the Kremlin managed to gain access, influence (through bribery, threats, etc.) to the media, open its own media, buy local media and through them influence the minds of gullible Europeans and not only. Here, even the Goebel propaganda of Nazi Germany looks very weak, against the background of the propaganda of rashism. You watch their "news shows" - a normal person's brain will explode from this, but they watch it with pleasure on roshisi, and receive moral satisfaction. Moreover, what is surprising - but the Russian viewer does not ask the question - if yesterday, for example, they said that doing something like this is bad, but today doing the same is already good. The Russian layman, the consumer of this informational crap, is not worried that they are promised one thing, they do another, they explain it to a third, and there is no logic between all this. And often, one contradicts the other, but they "eat" all this, and they are comfortable ... This phenomenon will obviously be studied by psychiatrists

A living example of recent times: preparations for aggression against Ukraine. From about 2014 to today, the OFFICIAL versions justifying this terrorist act of state were (in the order of submission to the masses in Russia)
- Protection of the Russian-speaking population (with the subsequent killing by the Russian army of the peaceful Russian-speaking population of several regions)
- Protection of the borders of Russia from NATO, into which Ukraine was supposed to be brought by its government, but in the words of propaganda "junta". It was somewhere in 2015-2016 that the rhetoric changed. True, real changes in the legislation of Ukraine regarding NATO membership appeared only in 2018, but this does not bother Russians
- Then there was a wave of ideas that the Western world wants to plunge Russia into the chaos of the LGBT movement, coercion to homosexuality (!!?!?) since childhood (yes, and this Russian population "swallowed" and did not think)
- Then there were tantrums biolaboratories, fighting mosquitoes and zombies. I don’t laugh about mosquitoes - the Russian representative at the UN shook a 300-page "report" on "research on laboratories producing combat mosquitoes that will selectively bite Russians in order to make them homosexual or stop reproductive opportunities in Russian men and women" ...
Yes, it sounds like feverish nonsense, but for the Russians this is a REALITY, they believe in all this and categorically refuse to think

I have already expressed the same opinion, because many do not understand how long Russia has been preparing for the war it is currently waging, and the preparations were not only in the military sense, but in infiltrating all possible structures of all EU countries. Their state agencies even shoot promotional videos in which they tell Europeans that they will freeze this winter, although the situation is far from apocalyptic as they want to portray it.

Recently, I had the opportunity to meet with friends from several EU countries, and they all say that they feel the effect of inflation, but that the media pumps out too much negativity, which is not logical at all if you don't want to scare people for some reason. Yes, we will all have to tighten our belts a bit, but even that is better than pretending that nothing is happening.

Thanks, that is the information I was looking for. A source would have been useful.

Yep, that is right, a number of people in Europe die anyway for weather related matters, including freezing. Most of the people who freeze are by accident - most of Europe and certainly most of the developed countries have mechanisms and "safety nets" to prevent people from dying from hunger or freezing to death. I believe there is a lot of RF propaganda attached to this type of news.

335000 doesn't seem hyperbolic -- "freeze to death" is not in the proverbial sense that someone literally dies of hypothermia. There's a lot of ways someone can die from too low temperatures, mostly it's the elderly who die of heart conditions because the temperature provides excess stress on the cardiopulmonary system.

In any event, the only global cause of this issue is the energy crisis driven by the Ukraine war. This is mostly self inflicted, Europe chose not to diversify their energy sources and took a deep dive into unsustainable renewables. Cheap energy saves lives.

And the worst thing about this is that all these 4 major conflicts could happen at once. Each of them has already been happening to a certain degree right now, but it could blow up into a full-scale war any year from now. That's going to be hell. Deaths will multiply several folds. And it's not only because of bullets and bombs but also due to lack of food and water and shelter and a way to keep warm during winter.

As regards flu, at least we already have a vaccine for that. It's not going to be as problematic as COVID-19.

I think the projection for this increase of 35k is because of the shortage of gas supply to Europe by Russia to warm their houses because of sanction for invading Ukraine. Since Russia is making her retaliation doing a supply shortage of gas to the European countries, it will become difficult to live without heating most home during the winter season that the environment is cold.

an ALL-CAUSE mortality rate of EU people per year is about 4.2m

an average "climate" caused death rate is about 300k
they are saying this year it may be for climate deaths being 335k this year

an increase of 35k

Nobody should read negative news all day every day or they'll go insane. But also they shouldn't be ignored or swept under the rug otherwise they would lead to catastrophes. Every crisis today was a small problem yesterday. Like energy crisis which was a small problem when they ignored it and didn't diversify their sources!

If you read US or US linked sources, obviously you will think that way. Similarly if you read Russia or Russian linked sources they are denying all that too!
Also if you visit Iraq and talk to people there the "residents of Iraq" would also tell you the same thing about NATO and Ukraine as you are saying about Russians as "resident of Ukraine".

I don't think this chart includes COVID deaths as it is the "excess mortality" and some of the COVID death peaks don't match this chart either. eg. the COVID deaths are low on Nov Dec 2021 and there is a 2.5x rise in Jan and Feb 2022 reaching a peak whereas in this chart the peak is in Nov and Dec 2021 and it drops in Jan and Feb 2022.

No arguments there.

US hasn't left West Asia or other parts of the world they are occupying. They were kicked out of some parts like Afghanistan and to some extent Iraq and Syria but they haven't actually left. They still have dozens of military bases that are destabilizing each region.

As for similarities they are more similar than you think, the details are different which depends on a lot of factors like the country. For example what the West did to Palestine over 70 years ago was exactly "ethnic cleansing" that replaced population of Palestine with Zionists that is an Apartheid regime acting like a guard dog ensuring US interests in West Asia.
However, they can't do it everywhere so the strategy is different but the goals are the same. Usually the easiest strategy is replacing the regimes with US favored ones that fulfill US interests.

Take Afghanistan for example. The government that was installed there was a US made government that was pursing every single US interest that they ordered them to. From backing terrorist groups that had their guns pointed west (ie. at Iran) like Daesh or Uzbek militia to starting a water war with the neighbors. Even handing over Afghanistan to Taliban was somewhat similar strategy specially since they practically donated $100 billion worth of weapons and military equipment to these extremists.

Same with Iraq, the political infrastructure that the US has installed there is an absolute mess that has prevented any actual work to be done for the country and it is in constant internal conflict while they too fulfill US interests!

The worst thing that Europe has gone through throughout its history was a mixture of epidemics and wars. The last of which was during the Soviet era when war swept the entire continent and spread epidemics and famine. But it never happened that a proxy war turned into an arena for settling political and ideological scores at the expense of the daily basics of peoples' lives. Perhaps the best thing that Europe is currently going through is the solidarity campaign organized by all countries in order to save every affected country and reduce the impact of Russian sanctions on it. Nobody knows how long this can go on.

Europe Game Shows Will Pay Energy Bill If You Win
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_8mmVbAPwE

This says a lot about what is happening there. Absolutely murder.


Any country that wants to establish an empire does the same things, they loot and even display crowns and gold lootings to mummies in thier museums. And it's always the fight to be in control of the world. It's just that Russia has more leverage. And in the past decades, they have not gotten lots of enemies but relied on thier resources. Until they saw Ukraine is about to be used by NATO to get to them.

It's true the US left Iraq and Afghanistan. But the people there are hopeful that US will rebuild the nations they once ruined. But not, all but ruins. They left but completely put up a political party that will keep the country bowing. Zelensky administration is just one.

Now we compare what China is doing, although we may see them in the future going to dominate and might even control parts of the world through their technologies and what we call "debt traps", they help build a nation. No superpower ever tried BRI even if they have the chance.

Especially in the last 2-3 years, when a certain number of people died from the corona virus, and in the years before that, those two months were always the time when many people died as a result of the flu. Unfortunately, the EU has a lot of homeless people, and according to data from 2020, that number amounts to around 700 000, which is a truly devastating number, regardless of the fact that it is not much in terms of percentage considering almost 500 million inhabitants.


Many countries help their citizens by paying part of their electricity bills, so Germany has invested as much as 200 billion Euros for this purpose, and many other countries are doing similar things. Not everything is as black and hopeless as you can read in the media - we who live in the EU know best what is actually happening.


I am not saying that there is no similarity with what the Americans did in Iraq or Afghanistan, but they eventually left - while the Russians are carrying out ethnic cleansing with the intention of settling Russians there, and permanently occupying something that is not theirs.

I felt this genocidal barbarism on my skin 30 years ago when the Serbs brutally attacked my country and literally slaughtered thousands of people and burned and destroyed everything they could not loot. Russians do identical things, even their agenda is the same as if they copied it from their Serbian brothers.

I apologize for joining your conversation. But about these "facts", are you, as always, habitually doing stuffing, or do you have minimal arguments and evidence?
As far as I remember and read, and not only the American or European media, strikes were carried out as purposefully as possible on warehouses, airfields (military), aviation depots (combat), barracks, places where terrorists and their accomplices were hiding. I agree right away - I do not exclude that there were accidental arrivals (for example, about those 2 missiles that hit the power center) or guidance errors, and most likely civilian targets also suffered. But the targeted terror of the civilian population, the destruction of water supply systems, electricity, heating, communications - only Putin and his Kremlin criminal friends have come to such an abomination.

Moreover, they, the Russians, do not even hide this, and collect throughout Russia, begging in Iran and North Korea, weapons in order to hit just such targets. I, as a resident of Ukraine, and having an understanding of what targets are hit by terrorists from the Kremlin, will tell you that in October-November, not a single command and control center, any warehouse or equipment parking was hit. ONLY CIVIL OBJECTS - CHP, transformer, water utility, power networks and their connections, residential buildings, hospitals and maternity hospitals ....

Those four conflicts you mentioned here OP, are the major things the world is experiencing right now that is making people to wonder if the governments are not working, which the governments are seriously working to ensure they eliminate inflation from the environment so that people will start enjoying good economy in the world. I think, the 3rd one which is the food war is the major one that is dealing with Europeans and other countries now, because the high cost of commodities has increased higher in a way people salary cannot buy much food stuff in the market.

335,000 unfortunate preventable fatalities wouldn't even be noticed by europeans.

The harsh reality is the united states sustains between 250,000 to 440,000 fatalities due to medical errors annually.


Do people prefer to forget these types of news headlines? I have heard some say they avoid negative or depressing news. And prefer to forget things like this happen in the world. I used to get depressed and angry reading things like this. Over time, I adjusted and became used to the idea of the world we live in being unfortunately insane in many ways. It could be a necessity for survival?

If that many europeans are desperate for heating alternatives. I would guess they will simply turn to burning garbage and trash if they can get away with it. However burning garbage is illegal and enforced now. Which could prevent many from burning such to warm themselves. In the end it could be laws against burning trash that end up killing more europeans than anything. Maybe a donation service for firewood could be deployed.

Any country with the least amount of power has influence in other countries, that doesn't mean anything you read in those secondary countries' media that doesn't agree with the status quo is a propaganda from the first country.

Here is a chart from Eurostat, an official website of the European Union. It shows between 25% to 40% increase in excess mortality (it is an epidemiology term which simply means deaths that are not normal) in December and January. In other words the speculation by the Economist is not a new event. It happens every year:


That's true, by shutting down lots of industries that used energy some European countries have managed to barely cover the energy needs for home users. But that is irrelevant here because if you read the article the main reason is high price not shortage, for families who are already suffering from high inflation and decreased income.

Sadly that is what all invaders do. In fact it is surprising it took Russians this long to start focusing on infrastructure considering others do it from day one. For example one of the first three main targets NATO barbarians hit on the day they invaded Iraq were farms, water treatment plants and power plants.

It seems that you are not aware of Russia's influence on the UK, and especially on their media, but that is a completely different story. However, if you are interested :

https://ukraineworld.org/articles/russian-aggression/not-only-ukraine-how-russian-narratives-influence-british-media



I think you should put on the brakes and stop working in favor of the Russian agenda, which has been spreading rumors for months that the EU will freeze without their gas or oil - and as @stompix has written to you several times, there are quite enough energy sources (oil, gas , electricity and firewood) so that we are not afraid of winter.

However, if we know how Russian barbarians are waging war destroying Ukrainian energy infrastructure in anticipation of winter, then the number of those who will die as a result of winter could be much higher than in previous years.

Sadly they don't seem to want to even acknowledge these serious problems let alone want to cool it. I'm afraid there could come a day where we see it's already too late.
Any of the "wars" I mentioned have been denied and are still being denied.

• Everyone (from regular people including those on this forum to the governments and decision makers) denied the food crisis earlier this year when I started that topic in OP. a couple of months later and European Fertilizer Producers announced that they are in a "full-fledged crisis".
  
• Everyone denied the NATO's expansion eastward and a couple of years later we have Russia fighting NATO in Ukraine. They are denying the US intervention in Taiwan and we could soon see the same there too.
• Everyone denied the inflation caused by reckless money printing and a couple of months ago we saw the inflation shoot up and exchange rates of currencies that remained fixed like euro dump.
• Everyone denied the energy crisis and claimed their storages are full but we keep seeing gas hungry factories shutting down and even talks of "temperature laws" in places like Switzerland and of course the article in OP!

Sadly the Russians have destroyed most of Ukraine's infrastructure which will also lead to yet another crisis that Europe will face: immigrants.
Some sources say about 20 million Ukrainians have been displaced because of this war already and there will be more due to winter and lack of electricity or heating. About 8 million of them have already entered the same Europe that is facing all the above crises and will make things that much worse.

It is always very funny to observe this kind of selective "concern" of Russians about "freezing Europe" (the trend of 2022, after the imposition of sanctions against the Russian Federation), concern for potential "frozen" ... But at the same time, a complete disregard for social and humanitarian problems in country!
To understand the cynicism of such statements, it is enough to look at Putin's speech at a meeting with the alleged "mothers of the dead soldiers" who took part in the terrorist war against Ukraine. Do you know what the President of Russia said? Guarantor of constitutional rights, freedoms, and, in theory, the lives of Russians? About the death of more than 80,000 Russian terrorist soldiers, he literally said, "Well, let's look around - we have more deaths from alcoholism and in car accidents. Well, in the end, it's natural, we are all mortal and someday we will die."
If we discard the fakeness of the "meeting" itself (some dummy people), where in the role of "mothers" were identified individuals who are constantly filmed in Putin's "meetings", as "representatives of the people", the fact remains - the president of the country said literally "I sent you to die, and kill others. But that's okay, you would have died anyway, otherwise you fulfilled my wishes." And ... the population of Russia swallowed it! For them, this is also the norm .. But they are very worried about Europeans ... Because there will be no one to sell gas and oil and build another castle to a crazy dictator-terrorist-slave owner

Well, I will reassure the "experiencing" Russians:
1. Winter in the EU will be quite mild
2. The EU has already replaced more than 90% of all gas supplies from the Russian Federation
3. The EU has already replaced the supplier of oil from the Russian Federation
4. Oil "Urals" is flying down for the third day. Russians - stock up on firewood and hats, it will really be hard for you

Very good point here. Heating homes and workplaces is very essential for the whole Europe and is infact the thing for which energy is consumed the most with Russia blocking most of the country energy exports due to the ongoing war this is really bound to happen. I don't know what would actually open NATO's eyes and they would eventually stop all this. After this many months I have surely come to know one thing that Russia doesn't wants to Annex and Rule Ukraine it's just wants it's political influence in the region to be supreme and safe from NATO.

It's important to think about these things, and 32 thousand more deaths than average in the mildest winter is still significant. What the chart doesn't and can't project, though, it how many people will die in Ukraine, as Russia is heavily targeting critical infrastructure which can lead to lack of heating and people freezing because of that. Moreover, I would consider the extra deaths to be due to Russia's war because this is the reason of the energy crisis, after all (as the Economist article also seems to do, by the way). The model is assuming things, though. The article says that normally, energy price changes did not contribute to death changes, but they assume this time will be different because of a huge energy price change. We'll see if that will be true.

I like the order that you listed the points, I agree with it but maybe a little more to economic war to be together with food war (lol food is very important) not that I like food so much but who can survive without the food ? Nobody can do that for longer time. So economy is part of getting affordable good food. The economy determine the cost of food, if agriculture is having attention that farmers getting loan to buy seed for planting fertilizer very cheap, that will bring price of food to reduce. It is an economic war that we are having because inflation has rise the cost of production and that affect food and standard of living. The government need proper way to plan because covid-19 pandemic is no more the problem facing the world so printing of unnecessary money need to stop. If we have reduce inflation, cost of food will reduce. They working together.

Some geopolitical analysts are already saying this is WW3 happening slowly, they are just not calling it ww3 to not cause panic. But obviously, countries are already choosing sides which pooya87 said half the world is abandoning USD. Energy and Economic war affect more than just US, Ukraine, and Russia, halfway around the world are countries with inflation up to 20%.

War with China will be the ultimate. But I think everyone will have to cool thier heads before the red button. We already saw how NATO react after Zelensky invokes Chapter 5 when a missile hits Poland.

I think it's not all about clickbait, maybe there are some exaggerations, but you're right. It is obvious that there was a war of energy, food and many other things, at the beginning of these were the trade wars between China and the USA, then the pandemic appeared, I don't think it was all random. For now, the weather may be mild in Europe, but we are not fully into winter. Also, Europe may be very rich, but we can say that wealth is on the decline. Inflation hits hard and Europe doesn't have a young population, so a potential energy crisis could cause a lot of deaths. It is necessary to evaluate these data somewhat realistically.

Although there is no perfect government anywhere I am sure that Europe has some of the best governments that put the welfare of their people first. These statistics might be the worst scenario if the government doesn't take any action. But the European nations have tried as much as possible to ensure that their citizens are not greatly affected by these economic and energy problems. Most European nations have filled up their has and crude oil reserve that can last for many months. Most countries are even subsidizing energy costs and even giving their citizens welfare packages. I would have more concerned if these statistics refer to some emerging nations that have very irresponsible governments that careless about the lives and property of their citizens.

I do not think that the given figures have a real justification. Most likely, this is Putin's propaganda. Russia has the ability to bribe politicians and experts in various fields to achieve its desired goals. Now it is Russia that spreads such rumors and tries to intimidate Europe and especially Ukraine. The countries of Europe really prepared for the winter and such a number of deaths simply cannot be in practice.
High mortality can be from the cold in winter in Ukraine, because Russia periodically attacks the energy infrastructure of Ukraine with missiles, trying to deprive the inhabitants of Ukraine of heat, light and water in order to provoke people to protest and demand a truce with Russia. It is unlikely that Putin will succeed. The people of Ukraine are well versed in the current situation and want only the victory of Ukraine and the complete surrender of Russia.

Meanwhile, the Russian occupiers are already dying en masse from the cold in their trenches on the territory of Ukraine. Russia is throwing its soldiers, and especially those recently mobilized, on the front lines without winter clothing and the necessary protection, and therefore their losses now amount to 400-700 people every day.
Today, the latest summary of Russia's losses in the war with Ukraine lay on the table for Putin: in total, about 122,000 people were killed and missing. Of these, 90,138 losses of the regular army, 26,917 losses of the PMC "Wagner" and 5621 losses of the National Guard.
False Putin's propaganda will not work.

That is worse case scenario according to the article. 335k is also not that big specially for EU if you look at the statistical history. You see the first chart? The grey line is the history (ie. actual mortality in the past because of temperature drops and energy costs) and the red lines are the extrapolation (ie. speculating the future). That chart is also showing a little less than 20% rise. Or in other words it is not like they are saying such mortality rate is going from 0 to 335k, it is predicting it could go from something like 200k-250k to 335k.

Well Russian propaganda comes out of Russian outlets or at least agencies that have ties with the Russians.
The Economist is a British weekly newspaper and the charts and statistics are from European sources: Copernicus; Eurostat; Energie-Control Austria; MEKH; VaasaETT; WHO; RIP.ie; ECDC; government statistics.
So I'm not really sure which one of these sources you think is linked to Russians since if you google any of them they are mostly European agencies or global like WHO.

Talk about over exaggeration and clickbait titles, this is a prime example. Europe is one of the richest places on the planet and is suffering a rather mild winter (even ignoring it's temperate climate in most areas). Just sticking "war" on the end of something doesn't make you a genius. Just look at the "War on Drugs" which has been going for decades and has only gotten worse in all that time, it's a pointless designation. It could actually be a good thing that energy use is lowered, if extraction was lowered too, because climate change is what is really going to screw over the world in the decades to come. Besides that, Europe will definitely be able to cope and it is other nations who end up paying more due to Putin's war that will not be able to manage as well.

Those are pretty bad ass numbers. I can’t believe what’s happening in the world right now. I think one pandemic that came in like hell and now we are looking at the post pandemic results and how we are so naive in tackling them. After pandemic when war broke out between NATO and Russia it was another overnight worst event that aggregated the whole economic crisis scenario. It’s unimaginable how things go escalated down to the crisis like poor management of winter preparation. All this because of recession and no money left in circulation (virtually speaking). Hope that Europe Do not suffer like this and please no other pandemic. This time I can’t survive for sure.

And with countries that have sometimes very cold winters have better thermal isolation on houses, like in here in finland triple glasses everywhere on windows etc.
We have already very much prepared for winter. There might be some controlled and scheduled blackouts, but nothing we couldn't survive. We know what cold is and how to combat against that.

Country i would be most worried about is Germany, but that's most likely comes to just one winter of high energy bills. As if Russia fails to use winter as an edge and turning point for this war, Putin most likely won't be a problem after next year and even whole Russia could fall apart.

#pooya87 ... you really opened my eyes to something that I never even thought about before. It is incredible to see how many people die from this every year. https://www.eea.europa.eu/data-and-maps/figures/number-of-fatalities-due-to

" About 200,000 such deaths occur in all of Europe each year, with mortality increasing by 1.5 percent for every 1-degree Celsius decrease. " Source - https://thehill.com/opinion/energy-environment/3602202-europeans-risk-death-by-cold-for-green-folly-and-we-could-be-next/

I live in a country with warmer temperatures and our Winters are not very cold.... so it's not an big issue here. Thank you for posting this, because the Oil & Gas restrictions are definitely going to increase these fatalities.

Regardless of everything you stated in your post, I think the title is exaggerated in every sense because 335 thousand people is simply too big a number, especially if it only refers to the EU. I think that all EU countries have prepared more or less well for this winter, that there is enough gas and that many measures have been taken so that everyone can have heating this winter.

It has already been mentioned many times that the winter is quite mild in most of the EU, and I have to admit that I haven't seen real snow in years, and that I spend much less on heating than I did 5 or 10 years ago. I believe that articles like this are just part of the propaganda war being waged from Russia, because if they can't destroy us like Ukrainians, they are trying to frighten us in this way in order to turn part of the EU public to their side.

Europe has survived much worse situations, and I'm sure it will survive this one too - and when this winter is over, we can start this topic again and see if these predictions were correct or if someone is just playing with numbers.

As I've been saying for the past year, the world has been dealing with 4 major conflicts:
1) Economic war
2) Energy war
3) Food war
4) Armed war between NATO and Russia and possibly China and others in the near future

The most serious ones are the first three that even have more casualties!
The economic war has already led to high inflation and recession; US keeps printing more money causing inflation but they export most of it to other countries while half the world is trying to dump US dollar and move to a parallel economy. The incompetent EU governments keep printing more money to throw at the inflation which makes it even worse. They even increase interest rates that has diminishing effects on the inflation but increasing effects on recession.

On top of that we have the energy war that is increasing price of energy, to which the EU governments print more money to give to energy companies to artificially keep the price low for home users while shutting down big industries that puts hundreds of thousands out of work.

One of the results of all this crisis and incompetence is going to be the high increase in mortality rate in Europe. With a number that is expected to be surprisingly higher than the total number of casualties in Ukraine-Russian war!


P.S. Be careful of the Flu Pandemic which is mentioned in this article but I haven't really seen covered in mainstream media as a serious threat. A doctor I consulted with explains that because of the COVID-19 pandemic and the fact that people were wearing masks and were generally more careful over the past couple of years, the public resistance to viruses from common cold to flu has decreased which is why we are currently seeing a very high increase in number of flu patients that can end up having more mortality rate in winter.