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Quote from: Aforhok on June 07, 2023, 05:10:51 PM

weapons can be smuggled in

When you talk about smuggling, whether or not border is closed, smuggling takes place. So, rather than a government trying to close bother totally, they should instead try to reinforce the agencies in charge of checking the Inter country movement of goods and people.
If you because of bad eggs and shut the whole border against a country, it will bounce back to your people when your business will begin to cripple.
The world is connected, everyone country needs another's help to survive.

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Quote from: Queentoshi on June 09, 2023, 04:10:02 PM

If there is an effort to control what goes through the border and it is working fine, there should be need to consider closing the border in the first place. Countries close their borders mainly when it has become an Access point for things and people not needed in a country to enter. Although closing the borders will not stop these activities completely, it will make things more difficult for people involved and will have the effect of reducing the number of these things or people not needed. Countries that want to border to be opened and what to control the activities need to be prepared, because it is always a big task. Officials there are always more likely to become corrupt after a while because of the constant bribes that is offered to them to let some things pass.

It is easier in some countries than in others, let us not forget that.
In the case of the United States, the border is such a long line that in my opinion is a titanic work to even try to control the influx of people and smuggling.
That is the most obvious case and the one that appears more on news.

In the case of the other countries like those in the European continent they have natural barriers which can prevent the flux to be as big as into the USA, the Mediterranean sea and the mountains of central Europe. I have seen people on internet calling to let immigrants to die to those natural obstacles instead of helping them to survive. It is simply heartbreaking how society can be sometimes.

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If there is an effort to control what goes through the border and it is working fine, there should be need to consider closing the border in the first place. Countries close their borders mainly when it has become an Access point for things and people not needed in a country to enter. Although closing the borders will not stop these activities completely, it will make things more difficult for people involved and will have the effect of reducing the number of these things or people not needed. Countries that want to border to be opened and what to control the activities need to be prepared, because it is always a big task. Officials there are always more likely to become corrupt after a while because of the constant bribes that is offered to them to let some things pass.

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Opening of boarders has advantages and it disadvantages but provided that the government officials and leaders will be upto task by not being bias in their role and discharge of duties, the reopening is worth encouraging for because many illicit entries will be apprehended at he boarder entrance to curb all forms of infiltrations and importations of illegal weapons, drugs and other materials for use which could serve a big danger in transmission of illegal items to ones country.

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Quote from: Aforhok on June 07, 2023, 05:10:51 PM

Border opening can either be harmful or be helpful to a country, it works vice versa. It can be harmful in the sense that bad goods and services can be brought in,weapons can be smuggled in, illegal migration of non citizens can have quick access to a country when the border officials are corrupt.
It can also be helpful due to the price of goods and services because there will be competition in the market place there by making goods cheaper, it also strengthen international relationship.

What happens to the culture of a country when you systematically import immigrants into a country, illegally or not, who don't conform to the values of said country?

Just recently -- Syrian refugee goes on mass stabbing attack targeting children and women: https://news.sky.com/story/syrian-refugee-who-stabbed-british-child-and-five-others-in-annecy-knife-attack-was-denied-asylum-in-france-12899146

Turns out many of these Syrian refugees don't adapt to westernized culture very well.

The crime increases, and more cultural fragmentation within society leads to weaker social capital and structure. Sure, if you want cheap labor just bring in cheap workers from other countries. But there are long term impacts that go beyond the economic benefits. Culture can be lost in less than a generation -- a country is not a country without closed borders.

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Quote from: Aforhok on June 07, 2023, 05:10:51 PM

Border opening can either be harmful or be helpful to a country, it works vice versa. It can be harmful in the sense that bad goods and services can be brought in,weapons can be smuggled in, illegal migration of non citizens can have quick access to a country when the border officials are corrupt.
It can also be helpful due to the price of goods and services because there will be competition in the market place there by making goods cheaper, it also strengthen international relationship.

One of the dangers of opening a country's border is that it affects local industries negatively. If imported goods are cheaper people will buy more foreign goods and fewer goods produced by indigenous industries which makes them lose market share. When they don't make a profit it will lead to a decline or fall of the industries thereby encouraging unemployment. Donald Trump once shut the American borders against Chinese goods to boast the local industry of the US. Just recently some countries in Europe had to control their borders to reduce the inflow of cheap Ukrainian grains because the local farmer needs to be protected from losses.

But it could lead to the transfer of technology and ideas. People can migrate to a country with skills and technology. When goods and services freely flow in and out of different countries there is always a transfer of investment, financing, skills, and technology. The best carpenters in my country are from a neighboring nation and they have gradually transferred their skills to the local carpenters.

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Quote from: Hispo on June 08, 2023, 06:45:50 PM

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Quote from: Hispo on June 07, 2023, 06:32:43 PM

It is a sensitive topic, actually. Specially in the United States and Europe.
On one hand, there should be clear and strong immigration laws and legal path for those who seek to move into a new country in the correct way, on the other hand those who are desperate enough to risk their life and freedom also are supposed to be considered, they are human beings after all.

A Border is not only about drug smuggling or illegal activity, there are also cultural and human barriers which should not let us forget we all bleed and suffer the same way as human beings.

I agree with you the problem is not in the border being opened or closed, the problem is what are the laws and regulations that have been put in place to regulate the activities and check both entry and exit of a country's border to checkmate if everything follows governments policy and laws, border mean a lot to a country since that is the door to the country it must be safe guided if not a country can lose their freedom through
Unchecked access in some borders, like in my country where the land border has been freely accessed by foreigners from other close countries and thahas affecteded the security situations here as the is a high rate of arms smuggling for illegal use.

Besides the smuggling and the illegal stuff which can happen because bad people take advantage of the desperation of others, there is also the theory about the cultural impact the massive immigration can have on a country, some people say the impact can be possitive or negative.

I personally think it can be both, because immigration bring both bad and good people, but we should never discriminate based on skin color,.religion or nationality. We are all human, after all.

You are right Hispo, boarders have both their positive and negative impact to a country. Illegal activities is part of human nature due to the way we find ourselves in the other side of life. It is not everyone that will enter a house through the front door, some will follow the back door and some from the window. What I mean is that all fingers are not equal and therefore migrants migrate not have the legal access to a neighboring country but through the boarders, these migrants can have easy access to such country to add labour force to that country's economy. Smuggling is what is mostly common within boarders,I don't know if am correct with this statement because in my country this is what happens in our boarders.

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Quote from: Wiwo on June 08, 2023, 06:22:19 PM

Quote from: Hispo on June 07, 2023, 06:32:43 PM

It is a sensitive topic, actually. Specially in the United States and Europe.
On one hand, there should be clear and strong immigration laws and legal path for those who seek to move into a new country in the correct way, on the other hand those who are desperate enough to risk their life and freedom also are supposed to be considered, they are human beings after all.

A Border is not only about drug smuggling or illegal activity, there are also cultural and human barriers which should not let us forget we all bleed and suffer the same way as human beings.

I agree with you the problem is not in the border being opened or closed, the problem is what are the laws and regulations that have been put in place to regulate the activities and check both entry and exit of a country's border to checkmate if everything follows governments policy and laws, border mean a lot to a country since that is the door to the country it must be safe guided if not a country can lose their freedom through
Unchecked access in some borders, like in my country where the land border has been freely accessed by foreigners from other close countries and thahas affecteded the security situations here as the is a high rate of arms smuggling for illegal use.

Besides the smuggling and the illegal stuff which can happen because bad people take advantage of the desperation of others, there is also the theory about the cultural impact the massive immigration can have on a country, some people say the impact can be possitive or negative.

I personally think it can be both, because immigration bring both bad and good people, but we should never discriminate based on skin color,.religion or nationality. We are all human, after all.

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Quote from: Hispo on June 07, 2023, 06:32:43 PM

It is a sensitive topic, actually. Specially in the United States and Europe.
On one hand, there should be clear and strong immigration laws and legal path for those who seek to move into a new country in the correct way, on the other hand those who are desperate enough to risk their life and freedom also are supposed to be considered, they are human beings after all.

A Border is not only about drug smuggling or illegal activity, there are also cultural and human barriers which should not let us forget we all bleed and suffer the same way as human beings.

I agree with you the problem is not in the border being opened or closed, the problem is what are the laws and regulations that have been put in place to regulate the activities and check both entry and exit of a country's border to checkmate if everything follows governments policy and laws, border mean a lot to a country since that is the door to the country it must be safe guided if not a country can lose their freedom through
Unchecked access in some borders, like in my country where the land border has been freely accessed by foreigners from other close countries and thahas affecteded the security situations here as the is a high rate of arms smuggling for illegal use.

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Quote from: Hispo on June 07, 2023, 06:32:43 PM

It is a sensitive topic, actually. Specially in the United States and Europe.
On one hand, there should be clear and strong immigration laws and legal path for those who seek to move into a new country in the correct way, on the other hand those who are desperate enough to risk their life and freedom also are supposed to be considered, they are human beings after all.

A Border is not only about drug smuggling or illegal activity, there are also cultural and human barriers which should not let us forget we all bleed and suffer the same way as human beings.

No country is stopping immigrants but it has to be done the right way, those who are desperate due to no documents or financial constrain should remain in their country because going into another country you don't know anybody can lead to different crime just to survive.

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It is a sensitive topic, actually. Specially in the United States and Europe.
On one hand, there should be clear and strong immigration laws and legal path for those who seek to move into a new country in the correct way, on the other hand those who are desperate enough to risk their life and freedom also are supposed to be considered, they are human beings after all.

A Border is not only about drug smuggling or illegal activity, there are also cultural and human barriers which should not let us forget we all bleed and suffer the same way as human beings.

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Border opening can either be harmful or be helpful to a country, it works vice versa. It can be harmful in the sense that bad goods and services can be brought in,weapons can be smuggled in, illegal migration of non citizens can have quick access to a country when the border officials are corrupt.
It can also be helpful due to the price of goods and services because there will be competition in the market place there by making goods cheaper, it also strengthen international relationship.

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